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You know, it occurs to me that some people on this site may have trouble discerning the difference between a Scuba Diver and a Sky Diver. After all, they both dive, right? :ph34r::ph34r:

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What is the difference between SCUBA diving, skydiving and muffdiving?










The view.









Ps. I don't know that for sure because I don't SCUBA dive.



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Your homework assignment is to come back here and explain how "Compassionate Conservatism" differers from "Conservative Liberal" or "New Democrat". I'll be waiting to grade your thesis. :D:D

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Conservative liberals don't spend nearly as much as compassionate conservatives, and they prefer to find a source of revenue to offset the cost of the funds that they do spend. They also have a tendency to spend Treasury monies investing in their constituents rather than their campaign donors, generally speaking.

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there are different types of conservatives.



So when George W. Bush says "I am a conservative", which type are we supposed to assume? The spendthrift type, warmongering type, incompetent type, lying type, Constitution defiling type, or all of the above?



I wonder if you have any idea of where the phrase "Compassionate Conservative" even comes from or how most Conservatives interpet it?

Hint 1: Bush didn't invent the term.

Hint 2: Google Marvin Olasky.

Your homework assignment is to come back here and explain how "Compassionate Conservatism" differers from "Conservative Liberal" or "New Democrat". I'll be waiting to grade your thesis. :D:D

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It's really very simple. YOU said Bush never proclaimed himself a conservative. I showed that he did. YOU were wrong and you just can't admit it.

All your bluster about what evidence is there, what do I believe, who first said "compassionate", etc. etc. is just bluster to attempt to cover your error.

You were wrong, and Bush lied (surprise surprise).
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You know, it occurs to me that some people on this site may have trouble discerning the difference between a Scuba Diver and a Sky Diver. After all, they both dive, right? :ph34r::ph34r:

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"I am a conservative" (repeated 4 times), George W. Bush, 12/9/99

"Bush never portrayed himself as a conservative", Gravitymaster, 11/22/06

What WAS he portraying himself to be, then? An idiot? A liar?

Quit squirming, it doesn't become you.
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You know, it occurs to me that some people on this site may have trouble discerning the difference between a Scuba Diver and a Sky Diver. After all, they both dive, right? :ph34r::ph34r:

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"I am a conservative" (repeated 4 times), George W. Bush, 12/9/99

"Bush never portrayed himself as a conservative", Gravitymaster, 11/22/06

What WAS he portraying himself to be, then? An idiot? A liar?

Quit squirming, it doesn't become you.



I stand by everything I've said. If you cannot distiguish the difference, then bad on you. I'd call it a simple case of Rorschach perception. :ph34r:

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You know, it occurs to me that some people on this site may have trouble discerning the difference between a Scuba Diver and a Sky Diver. After all, they both dive, right? :ph34r::ph34r:

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"Bush never portrayed himself as a conservative", Gravitymaster, 11/22/06

What WAS he portraying himself to be, then? An idiot? A liar?

Quit squirming, it doesn't become you.



I stand by everything I've said. If you cannot distiguish the difference, then bad on you. I'd call it a simple case of Rorschach perception. :ph34r:

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I'll simplify it further for you.

Pretend it's the reading comprehension part of the SAT.


"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few seconds later
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few seconds later still
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few more seconds later

These are also found in "A Charge To Keep: My Journey to the White House", by George W. Bush, p235

What is Bush portraying himself to be in these 4 statements?

(a) a conservative
(b) NOT a conservative
(c) NEVER a conservative
(d) a liberal
(e) a liar
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Did you get thru reading the Iraq Study Group report?

What are you're thoughts on that topic?:)




Bush will ignore it anyway

By MICHAEL A. FLETCHER and THOMAS E. RICKS
The Washington Post 12/13/06

WASHINGTON -- President Bush heard a blunt and dismal assessment Monday of his handling of Iraq from a group of military experts, but they shared the White House's skeptical view of the recommendations made last week by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, sources said.

The experts -- three retired generals and two academics -- disagreed in particular with the study group's proposal to reduce the number of U.S. combat troops in Iraq and to reach out for help to Iran and Syria, according to sources familiar with the meeting, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the session was private.

The White House gathering was part of a series of high-profile meetings Bush is holding to search for "a new way forward" amid the increasing chaos and carnage in Iraq. Earlier in the day, Bush met with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other high-ranking officials at the State Department, where he was briefed on reconstruction and regional diplomatic efforts in Iraq.

The military experts met with Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and about a dozen aides for more than an hour, and told the officials that the situation in Iraq is as dire as the study group said, but that alternative approaches must be considered, according to one participant. In addition, the experts agreed that the Bush should review his current national security team, which several characterized as part of the problem.

"I don't think there is any doubt in his mind about how bad it is," the source said.

The group disagreed on the key issue of whether to send more troops to Iraq, with retired Gen. John Keane arguing that several thousand additional soldiers could be used to improve security in Baghdad, and some others expressing doubt about that, according to sources who were at the meeting. But the five agreed in telling Bush that the Army and Marine Corps both need to be bigger and also need bigger budgets.

The group also suggested that Bush shake up his national security team. "All of us said they have failed, that you need a new team," said one of the participants. That recommendation is likely to fuel existing Pentagon rumors that Bush and his new defense secretary, Robert Gates, may decide to replace Marine Gen. Peter Pace as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

White House officials emphasized that although the experts gave a bleak assessment, they still believed that the situation in Iraq is "winnable."

"I appreciate the advice I got from those folks in the field," Bush said after emerging from the morning session. "And that advice is ... an important component of putting together a new way forward in Iraq."

The carefully choreographed meetings are coming on the heels of the release last week of the Iraq Study Group report, which pronounced the situation in Iraq "grave" and recommended fundamental shifts in how the Bush administration handles the war. To stem the deteriorating situation in Iraq, the report said, the administration should shift the focus of its military mission in Iraq from direct combat to training Iraqi troops, while pressing harder for a diplomatic solution by engaging Iran and Syria -- something that Bush has pointedly refused to do.

Monday's meetings are to be followed today by a video conference with military commanders before Bush receives Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi at the White House. On Wednesday, Bush is scheduled to meet with outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and another group of military experts.
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You know, it occurs to me that some people on this site may have trouble discerning the difference between a Scuba Diver and a Sky Diver. After all, they both dive, right? :ph34r::ph34r:

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"Bush never portrayed himself as a conservative", Gravitymaster, 11/22/06

What WAS he portraying himself to be, then? An idiot? A liar?

Quit squirming, it doesn't become you.



I stand by everything I've said. If you cannot distiguish the difference, then bad on you. I'd call it a simple case of Rorschach perception. :ph34r:

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I'll simplify it further for you.

Pretend it's the reading comprehension part of the SAT.


"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few seconds later
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few seconds later still
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few more seconds later

These are also found in "A Charge To Keep: My Journey to the White House", by George W. Bush, p235

What is Bush portraying himself to be in these 4 statements?

(a) a conservative
(b) NOT a conservative
(c) NEVER a conservative
(d) a liberal
(e) a liar



Now you are really off track.

This is nothing more than the same tactic we have seen you use for years. Find an example or two and then try to claim it to be the norm. pathetic.

We are on to your tricks, you know! :P

Now, answer my question!!!

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What skydiving would be like if it was like Speaker's Corner:

"Hey, Joe, we're an 8 way so give us like 10 seconds on exit."
"Sure, Mike!"

They jump and nearly collide on opening.

"Mike, you said you were going to give us 10 seconds!"

"Well, Joe, you clearly don't understand exit separation if you think that 10 seconds always gives you the exact same separation."

"I didn't say that. I just asked YOU to give us 10 seconds exit separation so you wouldn't hit us. You said sure, then you didn't give us 10 seconds, and you almost hit us."

"Ah, I see. Do you understand the difference between the terms 'sure' and 'I will comply'?"

"You said you would!"

"No I didn't. I never said 'I will comply.'"

"That's semantics! Look, I don't care what you think - are you going to give us enough time next load?"

"If you refuse to answer my question, why should I answer yours?"

"What was the question?"

"Do you understand the difference between the terms 'sure' and 'I will comply'?"

"Uh - they're not exactly the same - so?"

"Therefore YOU are the one with a comprehension problem! You're so confused, I'm amazed you didn't kill everyone on the load! It's sad when someone uses semantics to justify putting everyone on the plane at risk."

"Are you going to give us more time? Cause you're going to kill someone if you don't."

"This is nothing more than the same tactic you've used for years. Find an example or two and then try to claim it to be the norm. Pathetic."

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What skydiving would be like if it was like Speaker's Corner:

"Hey, Joe, we're an 8 way so give us like 10 seconds on exit."
"Sure, Mike!"

They jump and nearly collide on opening.

"Mike, you said you were going to give us 10 seconds!"

"Well, Joe, you clearly don't understand exit separation if you think that 10 seconds always gives you the exact same separation."

"I didn't say that. I just asked YOU to give us 10 seconds exit separation so you wouldn't hit us. You said sure, then you didn't give us 10 seconds, and you almost hit us."

"Ah, I see. Do you understand the difference between the terms 'sure' and 'I will comply'?"

"You said you would!"

"No I didn't. I never said 'I will comply.'"

"That's semantics! Look, I don't care what you think - are you going to give us enough time next load?"

"If you refuse to answer my question, why should I answer yours?"

"What was the question?"

"Do you understand the difference between the terms 'sure' and 'I will comply'?"

"Uh - they're not exactly the same - so?"

"Therefore YOU are the one with a comprehension problem! You're so confused, I'm amazed you didn't kill everyone on the load! It's sad when someone uses semantics to justify putting everyone on the plane at risk."

"Are you going to give us more time? Cause you're going to kill someone if you don't."

"This is nothing more than the same tactic you've used for years. Find an example or two and then try to claim it to be the norm. Pathetic."



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"Bush never portrayed himself as a conservative", Gravitymaster, 11/22/06

"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few seconds later
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few seconds later still
"I am a conservative", George W. Bush, 12/9/99, a few more seconds later


Now you are really off track.

This is nothing more than the same tactic we have seen you use for years. Find an example or two and then try to claim it to be the norm. pathetic.




So when you use the word "Never", as in "Bush NEVER portrayed himself as a conservative", you really mean "Not often".

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We are on to your tricks, you know! :P

Now, answer my question!!!

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Ha ha - see Billvon's response.
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What skydiving would be like if it was like Speaker's Corner:

"Hey, Joe, we're an 8 way so give us like 10 seconds on exit."
"Sure, Mike!"

They jump and nearly collide on opening.

"Mike, you said you were going to give us 10 seconds!"

"Well, Joe, you clearly don't understand exit separation if you think that 10 seconds always gives you the exact same separation."

"I didn't say that. I just asked YOU to give us 10 seconds exit separation so you wouldn't hit us. You said sure, then you didn't give us 10 seconds, and you almost hit us."

"Ah, I see. Do you understand the difference between the terms 'sure' and 'I will comply'?"

"You said you would!"

"No I didn't. I never said 'I will comply.'"

"That's semantics! Look, I don't care what you think - are you going to give us enough time next load?"

"If you refuse to answer my question, why should I answer yours?"

"What was the question?"

"Do you understand the difference between the terms 'sure' and 'I will comply'?"

"Uh - they're not exactly the same - so?"

"Therefore YOU are the one with a comprehension problem! You're so confused, I'm amazed you didn't kill everyone on the load! It's sad when someone uses semantics to justify putting everyone on the plane at risk."

"Are you going to give us more time? Cause you're going to kill someone if you don't."

"This is nothing more than the same tactic you've used for years. Find an example or two and then try to claim it to be the norm. Pathetic."


That's why I always teach my students the 180° rule for separation.:|

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there are different types of conservatives.



So when George W. Bush says "I am a conservative", which type are we supposed to assume? The spendthrift type, warmongering type, incompetent type, lying type, Constitution defiling type, or all of the above?



I wonder if you have any idea of where the phrase "Compassionate Conservative" even comes from or how most Conservatives interpet it?

Hint 1: Bush didn't invent the term.

Hint 2: Google Marvin Olasky.

Your homework assignment is to come back here and explain how "Compassionate Conservatism" differers from "Conservative Liberal" or "New Democrat". I'll be waiting to grade your thesis. :D:D

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Is this Bush's example of being a compassionate conservative?
Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

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THE PRESIDENT: Yes, Peter. Are you going to ask that question with shades on?

Q I can take them off.

THE PRESIDENT: I'm interested in the shade look, seriously.

Q All right, I'll keep it, then.

THE PRESIDENT: For the viewers, there's no sun. (Laughter.)

Q I guess it depends on your perspective. (Laughter.)

THE PRESIDENT: Touche. (Laughter.)

"[Peter] Wallsten is legally blind. Wallsten tells us he has a rare genetic disorder called Stargardt's Disease. The disease is a form of macular degeneration that can be slowed "by wearing UV-protective sunglasses and avoiding exposure to bright light."

The point of this post is not that Bush intentionally taunted a blind man, but that his insistence on clowning with the press is undignified and highly inappropriate.

"There's an interesting simple psychology involved in such things. If someone can coerce those in a group to help him attack a single member they become his accomplices. For instance, getting everybody in the press corps to laugh at a reporter's baldness makes those reporters part of the president's gang. And, of course, it intimidates them. If they stray, they too will be subject to that kind of public humiliation. It's the evil fratboy theory of social relations, very primitive stuff.

The obvious explanation is twofold.
First, Bush does like to kid around to relieve tension and fortify the good old boy personna. Wouldn't you just love to have a beer with this guy etc? He lacks the fine sense of appropriateness in humor. Second he just plain is oblivious to detail and insensitive to others who can not further his agenda. The press is automatically his enemy. It would never occur to him to be more interested in the members of the press or to take notice of their personal lives.



"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) --George W. Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005

"I think younger workers -- first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government -- promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005
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Ha ha - see Billvon's response.



Yep, funny parody. Billvon's good at that. Maybe he should apply for a job as a writer on Saturday Night Live.

Still doesn't explain why you think Bush is a Conservative.

I'd be willing to bet if we were able to poll the entire country and ask people if they think Bush portrayed himself as a Compassionate Consrevative or just a Conservative that the majority would say Compassionate Conservative.

Anyway, I give up. You win.

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Ha ha - see Billvon's response.



Yep, funny parody. Billvon's good at that. Maybe he should apply for a job as a writer on Saturday Night Live.
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Or better yet "Meet the (de)Press(ed):P

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Ha ha - see Billvon's response.



Yep, funny parody. Billvon's good at that. Maybe he should apply for a job as a writer on Saturday Night Live.

Still doesn't explain why you think Bush is a Conservative.



Wherever did you get that idea? I think Bush is a lying incompetent scumbag. I don't believe a word he says without independent verification. If you "conservatives" had done the same,maybe you'd not have forced him on the country like you did.

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When you're checkmated, giving up is no longer an option.:P
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If you "conservatives" had done the same,maybe you'd not have forced him on the country like you did.



Maybe, in '08, the Democrats can offer up someone who isn't an arrogant, cardboard, twit. Face it... in '04, it came down to who was the less undesirable. Your guy lost.

Hey, Senator Kerry.... why the long face?:D:D:D

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If you "conservatives" had done the same,maybe you'd not have forced him on the country like you did.



Maybe, in '08, the Democrats can offer up someone who isn't an arrogant, cardboard, twit. Face it... in '04, it came down to who was the less undesirable. Your guy lost.

Hey, Senator Kerry.... why the long face?:D:D:D



I am NOT a Democrat. I am an anti-neo-con. Kerry wasn't my guy, although I'm quite sure he wouldn't have fucked up as badly as Bush has.
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If you "conservatives" had done the same,maybe you'd not have forced him on the country like you did.



Maybe, in '08, the Democrats can offer up someone who isn't an arrogant, cardboard, twit. Face it... in '04, it came down to who was the less undesirable. Your guy lost.

Hey, Senator Kerry.... why the long face?:D:D:D



I am NOT a Democrat. I am an anti-neo-con. Foley wasn't my guy, although I'm quite sure he wouldn't have fucked up as badly as Bush has.



What does Foley have to do with this thread? Just another of your attempts to muddy the waters?

BTW Do you think I'm a neo-con?

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