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That is not it .....

Well of course not. it couldn't be, cause that would have the US carry soem blame.....and that is utterly unthinkable....

I am so desperately trying to avoid posting that there was no such thing as "al Qaeda in Iraq" before we violated international law to start this war of choice. Except for that one training camp in the Kurdish North of course......which was protected by the no fly zone......and under control of Talibani......who is now the President of Iraq. But I'll try to refrain from pointing out the obvious.
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Only a child would be disappointed by a Politician. I suppose now you are going to admit you were fooled? Is that really what you are saying?

BTW you confuse the truth with your truth.


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In that case why did you bother to write that Bush never claimed himself to be a conservative? You DID write that,
www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2542394#2542394
and it IS untrue.

Unless someone was impersonating you when you wrote that, I don't think I'm the one having trouble with the truth here.
As far as my being fooled by Bush, that warrants an irony score of 15 on a scale of 0 - 10. I have written for years that Bush is an incompetent and a liar, as well you know.

I said it then, I said it now and I said it before the elections in 2000. Because you want it to be true doesn't make it so. I think my cat is beginning to bark.

What makes you think Bush is a Conservative? A tax cut?

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I don't want Bush to be anything except an ex-President.

He SAID "I am a conservative".

Now you're telling us he lied. That's cool

I see you are avoiding my question again.

After telling us Bush is a liar for years, you are now flip-flopping and saying if he claimed to be a Conservative, you believe him?

So now your telling us he isn't a liar? That's cool.

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I see you are avoiding my question again.

After telling us Bush is a liar for years, you are now flip-flopping and saying if he claimed to be a Conservative, you believe him?

So now your telling us he isn't a liar? That's cool.

So, you are telling us that on something as simple as being a conservative or not, you don't believe what Bush says.

But on the more important items during his term, like the reasons to go into Iraq and silly stuff like that, you do believe exactly what he says.

Makes perfect sense to me now.

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That is not it .....

Well of course not. it couldn't be, cause that would have the US carry soem blame.....and that is utterly unthinkable....

Ya, I guess you are right. The US is always to blame

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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>The US is always to blame.

Might it be possible that they carry SOME blame, but not ALL the blame? Or is everything really black and white?

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Ya, I guess you are right. The US is always to blame

certainly not always...but also not never. In this case they certainly carry some blame.

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I see you are avoiding my question again.

After telling us Bush is a liar for years, you are now flip-flopping and saying if he claimed to be a Conservative, you believe him?

So now your telling us he isn't a liar? That's cool.

So, you are telling us that on something as simple as being a conservative or not, you don't believe what Bush says.

But on the more important items during his term, like the reasons to go into Iraq and silly stuff like that, you do believe exactly what he says.

Makes perfect sense to me now.

Wrong again.

Kallend is claiming he's a conservative because he said so. I'm asking what Bush has done that convinces Kallend he's a Conservative and what he thought the term "Compassionate Conservative" meant. I'm also asking why Kallend would believe Bush is a conservative just because he said so, when Kallend disbelieves everything else Bush says.

Your response is just the usual non-sequiter background blather meant to belittle rather than discuss.

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Kallend is claiming he's a conservative because he said so. I'm asking what Bush has done that convinces Kallend he's a Conservative and what he thought the term "Compassionate Conservative" meant. I'm also asking why Kallend would believe Bush is a conservative just because he said so, when Kallend disbelieves everything else Bush says.

Your response is just the usual non-sequiter background blather meant to belittle rather than discuss.

DUDE the Irony meter is just completely off the scale...

In past years.. you believed and CHAMPIONED every last piece of crap that came out of the mans mouth.... and NOW... you are claiming that he lied about the very basic premise of WHY you have supported him....

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> I'm asking what Bush has done that convinces Kallend he's a
> Conservative and what he thought the term "Compassionate
> Conservative" meant.

So you're saying that Kallend said that you said that Kallend said that Bush said he was a conservative? Fascinating. Thank goodness this thread hasn't degenerated to "the usual non-sequiter background blather!"

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Kallend is claiming he's a conservative because he said so. I'm asking what Bush has done that convinces Kallend he's a Conservative and what he thought the term "Compassionate Conservative" meant. I'm also asking why Kallend would believe Bush is a conservative just because he said so, when Kallend disbelieves everything else Bush says.

Your response is just the usual non-sequiter background blather meant to belittle rather than discuss.

DUDE the Irony meter is just completely off the scale...

In past years.. you believed and CHAMPIONED every last piece of crap that came out of the mans mouth.... and NOW... you are claiming that he lied about the very basic premise of WHY you have supported him....

Just as an FYI... you can support ACTIONS without supporting IDEOLOGIES... something that you consistently overlook.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Just as an FYI... you can support ACTIONS without supporting IDEOLOGIES... something that you consistently overlook.

Irony meter pegged again....

The right wing neo cons make NO ACTION unless they are based on their IDEOLOGIES

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Just as an FYI... you can support ACTIONS without supporting IDEOLOGIES... something that you consistently overlook.

Irony meter pegged again....

The right wing neo cons make NO ACTION unless they are based on their IDEOLOGIES

Wow. It looks like that went right over your head.

Do you consider every American who supported sending troops to Iraq to be neo-cons?

I'm talking about the overwhelming majority who favored this effort back on March '03. All neo-cons?

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Just as an FYI... you can support ACTIONS without supporting IDEOLOGIES... something that you consistently overlook.

Irony meter pegged again....

The right wing neo cons make NO ACTION unless they are based on their IDEOLOGIES

*yawn* Thanks for proving the point, yet again...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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I see you are avoiding my question again.

After telling us Bush is a liar for years, you are now flip-flopping and saying if he claimed to be a Conservative, you believe him?

So now your telling us he isn't a liar? That's cool.

So, you are telling us that on something as simple as being a conservative or not, you don't believe what Bush says.

But on the more important items during his term, like the reasons to go into Iraq and silly stuff like that, you do believe exactly what he says.

Makes perfect sense to me now.

Wrong again.

Kallend is claiming he's a conservative because he said so. I'm asking what Bush has done that convinces Kallend he's a Conservative and what he thought the term "Compassionate Conservative" meant. I'm also asking why Kallend would believe Bush is a conservative just because he said so, when Kallend disbelieves everything else Bush says.

Your response is just the usual non-sequiter background blather meant to belittle rather than discuss.

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Your distractor will NOT work because we have the written record of what YOU wrote. You, Gravitymaster, made the claim that Bush never portrayed himself a conservative.

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2542394#2542394

I showed that to be untrue. Four times in one speech he said "I am a conservative".

I don't believe a word Bush says. However, this is not about what Bush said, it is about what YOU said about the way he portrayed himself.

Either you are now admitting that Bush lied his way to being elected, or in making excuses for Bush you tried to mislead all of us here. Which is it?

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there are different types of conservatives.

So when George W. Bush says "I am a conservative", which type are we supposed to assume? The spendthrift type, warmongering type, incompetent type, lying type, Constitution defiling type, or all of the above?

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A "Two Term President" conservative.

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there are different types of conservatives.

So when George W. Bush says "I am a conservative", which type are we supposed to assume? The spendthrift type, warmongering type, incompetent type, lying type, Constitution defiling type, or all of the above?

He's a CONservative. The kind that gives politicians a bad name

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Your distractor will NOT work because we have the written record of what YOU wrote. You, Gravitymaster, made the claim that Bush never portrayed himself a conservative.

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2542394#2542394

I showed that to be untrue. Four times in one speech he said "I am a conservative".

I don't believe a word Bush says. However, this is not about what Bush said, it is about what YOU said about the way he portrayed himself.

Either you are now admitting that Bush lied his way to being elected, or in making excuses for Bush you tried to mislead all of us here. Which is it?

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> I'm asking what Bush has done that convinces Kallend he's a
> Conservative and what he thought the term "Compassionate
> Conservative" meant.

So you're saying that Kallend said that you said that Kallend said that Bush said he was a conservative? Fascinating. Thank goodness this thread hasn't degenerated to "the usual non-sequiter background blather!"

Some can follow along and some can't.

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there are different types of conservatives.

So when George W. Bush says "I am a conservative", which type are we supposed to assume? The spendthrift type, warmongering type, incompetent type, lying type, Constitution defiling type, or all of the above?

I wonder if you have any idea of where the phrase "Compassionate Conservative" even comes from or how most Conservatives interpet it?

Hint 1: Bush didn't invent the term.

Hint 2: Google Marvin Olasky.

Your homework assignment is to come back here and explain how "Compassionate Conservatism" differers from "Conservative Liberal" or "New Democrat". I'll be waiting to grade your thesis.

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Did you get thru reading the Iraq Study Group report?

What are you're thoughts on that topic?

"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian
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Did you get thru reading the Iraq Study Group report?

What are you're thoughts on that topic?

I haven't had a chance to finish it yet. I'm getting scuba certified this weekend and I'm trying to get through the 250 page PADI manual.

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You know, it occurs to me that some people on this site may have trouble discerning the difference between a Scuba Diver and a Sky Diver. After all, they both dive, right?

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