Paperless electronic voting cannot be made secure - NIST

[kallend 2,182]

seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2003456208_voting01.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[NCclimber 0]

I notice we aren't hearing a bunch of stories about voter fraud this time around. I guess the Democrats interest in this is determined by the outcome of election day.

[billvon 3,132]

>I notice we aren't hearing a bunch of stories about voter fraud this time around.

Look at any democratic blog. They're still adamant that the machines are vulnerable to hacking. Now that no one can claim "they're sore losers" perhaps people will actually start looking into the issue.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/29/121354/17

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=4865

[kallend 2,182]

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I notice we aren't hearing a bunch of stories about voter fraud this time around. I guess the Democrats interest in this is determined by the outcome of election day.

You aren't paying attention: Sarasota County, FL

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JohnRich 4]

Neither can paper ballots. Nor the old-fashioned lever-pull voting machines. This is nothing new. Everything is subject to fraud in some manner.

[billvon 3,132]

>Neither can paper ballots. Nor the old-fashioned lever-pull voting
> machines. This is nothing new. Everything is subject to fraud in
> some manner.

Of course. Electronic voting machines just add whole new dimensions to the types of fraud that are possible. Paper ballots, while not fraud-proof, have many fewer angles by which they can be tampered with.

[warpedskydiver 0]

In other words there is no possible way to stop vote fraud in any way shape or form is someone wants to rig an election.

SSDD

[kallend 2,182]

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In other words there is no possible way to stop vote fraud in any way shape or form is someone wants to rig an election.

SSDD

True, but it takes a lot of time and effort to sort and steal 100,000 paper ballots, and a microsecond to do it electronically.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[warpedskydiver 0]

And the result is the same.

[kelpdiver 2]

I think it's sufficient to provide a paper receipt with a ballot id that can be looked up by the voter after the election. Still requires paper, but avoids the optical scanner.

Only allows the detection that fraud has occurred, rather than allowing for an automatic recount, but I'm not sure any method actually guarantees a valid automatic recount. If the machine was tampered with, so might the paper ballots.

Or we could open source the software.