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It's the media's job to call BS on politicians of all stripes. They went to town on the Clinton BJ, though.
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You mean the backlash to his holding an unscheduled national address, to directly tell blatant lies to the American people and that whole lying to a grand jury business?



It seems your trying to say that Clinton receiving a BJ and lying about it is worst then what GWB has done.


I was just trying to clarify what was the fuel to that fire. So many "fact challenged" lefties consistently miss the other key aspects of the story.
I never made a comparison between Bush's Iraq blunder and Clinton's BJ blunder.

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Not only you but many of the fact challenged right tend to bring up Clinton whenever the lies of this administration are brought up. It always makes me wonder how you can compare the two.


Are you calling me fact challenged? That sounds like a personal attack. tsk. tsk. Kallend brought Clinton into this. Is he one of " the fact challenged right" you spoke of?
Again - I never made the comparison!!!

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We almost impeach Clinton but GWB has made sure that we can not hold him responsible for the Iraq war.


Actually, we did impeach Clinton. Do you really think Bush is untouchable? Who controls both Houses of Congress?
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I mean am I the only one who thinks thats fucked up?


Not from what I've heard over the last 3 1/2 years.

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If we tried to impeach Clinton for a BJ should'nt we be hanging GWB for crimes of high treason?

I think hanging has been illegal for quite some time.

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Dude, you're talking to people who think that admitting fault is equivalent to losing a war - and the only way to acknowledge any deviation from the ideal is to point out that someone on the enemy's side made mistakes as well. This whole process has been repeated literally thousands of times here. Why bother? Heck, they think we're winning the war in Iraq. Let 'em believe that if they want.

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Dude, you're talking to people who think that admitting fault is equivalent to losing a war - and the only way to acknowledge any deviation from the ideal is to point out that someone on the enemy's side made mistakes as well. This whole process has been repeated literally thousands of times here. Why bother? Heck, they think we're winning the war in Iraq. Let 'em believe that if they want.



Dude your right as usual.

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Actually, we did impeach Clinton. Do you really think Bush is untouchable? Who controls both Houses of Congress?



Actually I don't think impeachment is proper. It's too expensive and a waste of the 110th's time. A war crimes tribunal in an international court will suffice.;)

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The entire international community is bullshit - with some imagening they understand the BS, some thinking their privy to inside info. beyond all BS, some frustrated by the BS, others unaware of any BS, whilst the remainder realise it's all BS!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Actually, we did impeach Clinton. Do you really think Bush is untouchable? Who controls both Houses of Congress?



Actually I don't think impeachment is proper. It's too expensive and a waste of the 110th's time. A war crimes tribunal in an international court will suffice.;)



Yeah. Let's start handing over our national leaders to the international courts. :D:D:D

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Perhaps they'll find themselves answerable to various elements of their decisions, you know, the one's resulting in numerous innocent deaths?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Actually, we did impeach Clinton. Do you really think Bush is untouchable? Who controls both Houses of Congress?



Actually I don't think impeachment is proper. It's too expensive and a waste of the 110th's time. A war crimes tribunal in an international court will suffice.;)



Yeah. Let's start handing over our national leaders to the international courts. :D:D:D



In the interest of national security I think it's a great idea. It would go a long way to mending the damage that he and his buddies have caused and it would show the rest of the world that we subcribe to the values that we're trying to spread around the world. I mean, what's the harm in the long run? Besides, think of the money we'd save. No secret service for life, no pension, no "Fun with Dick and Jane" Dubya library:D

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Dude, you're talking to people who think that admitting fault is equivalent to losing a war - and the only way to acknowledge any deviation from the ideal is to point out that someone on the enemy's side made mistakes as well.



Considering practically all of Darius's posts in this thread were directed at me I can't help but think you're talking about me. If that's the case, I'm calling bullshit. I'd like to see you back it up.

Since you're the mod here, could you explain the difference between calling bull shit on someone and just telling them they are full of shit?

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Actually, we did impeach Clinton. Do you really think Bush is untouchable? Who controls both Houses of Congress?



Actually I don't think impeachment is proper. It's too expensive and a waste of the 110th's time. A war crimes tribunal in an international court will suffice.;)



Yeah. Let's start handing over our national leaders to the international courts. :D:D:D



In the interest of national security I think it's a great idea. It would go a long way to mending the damage that he and his buddies have caused and it would show the rest of the world that we subcribe to the values that we're trying to spread around the world. I mean, what's the harm in the long run? Besides, think of the money we'd save. No secret service for life, no pension, no "Fun with Dick and Jane" Dubya library:D



And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too. :)

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Yeah. Let's start handing over our national leaders to the international courts. :D:D:D



In the interest of national security I think it's a great idea. It would go a long way to mending the damage that he and his buddies have caused and it would show the rest of the world that we subcribe to the values that we're trying to spread around the world. I mean, what's the harm in the long run? Besides, think of the money we'd save. No secret service for life, no pension, no "Fun with Dick and Jane" Dubya library:D



And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too. :)


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And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too.



Considering that policy of late is to ignore any real threat and illegaly invade a country that poise no threat...
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I can't help but think you're talking about me. If that's the case, I'm calling bullshit. I'd like to see you back it up.



For some reason I picture you pressing a large red button labeled "bullshit" causing dramatic music to play, the audience to gasp, and all the lights in the studio to pan back over to Billvon as camera 2 switches to him and a caption at the bottom of the screen reads, "Billvon, responding to a call of Bullshit" to keep the viewers at home up to speed.

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Since you're the mod here, could you explain the difference between calling bull shit on someone and just telling them they are full of shit?



The former is addressing something someone has written here, and the latter is directed at the person themselves.

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I consider the current mainstream media to be entertainment not news. They are more interested in reporting sensational news rather then actual news. All they care about is ratings.


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And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too. :)



Well, our only policy recognizable as "foreign policy" is the Bush Doctrine, and that is thoroughly discredited right now. The UN could hardly make more of a botch.
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And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too.



Not a bad idea, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.



They've done a bang up job in Sudan. How about Sierra Leon?

I wonder how many people have died in the last 20 years as a result of ineffective UN efforts??? In Africa, alone?

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And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too.



Not a bad idea, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.



They've done a bang up job in Sudan. How about Sierra Leon?

I wonder how many people have died in the last 20 years as a result of ineffective UN efforts??? In Africa, alone?



Ineffective UN efforts didn't kill anyone. That's like blaming the police for the murder of Nicole Simpson.
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And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too.



Not a bad idea, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.



After all, the UN did such good things in Somalia, enforcing the Oil for Food program, and now Darfur...

Sure, why not - let's pull out and let the UN handle it.
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And maybe we could have the UN handle our foreign policy, too.



Not a bad idea, it would have saved thousands of innocent lives.



After all, the UN did such good things in Somalia, enforcing the Oil for Food program, and now Darfur...

Sure, why not - let's pull out and let the UN handle it.



All the while the US thwarts the UN, it will be less effective than it could be. The UN is as effective as we want it to be.
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It's the media's job to call BS on politicians of all stripes. They went to town on the Clinton BJ, though.

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You mean the backlash to his holding an unscheduled national address, to directly tell blatant lies to the American people and that whole lying to a grand jury business?




It seems your trying to say that Clinton receiving a BJ and lying about it is worst then what GWB has done.

Not only you but many of the fact challenged right tend to bring up Clinton whenever the lies of this administration are brought up. It always makes me wonder how you can compare the two.

We almost impeach Clinton but GWB has made sure that we can not hold him responsible for the Iraq war. I mean am I the only one who thinks thats fucked up?

If we tried to impeach Clinton for a BJ should'nt we be hanging GWB for crimes of high treason?



I am hoping that when the new congress comes to power they will start a "Ken Star" type of investigation......[:/]

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Hey I corrected that before you caught it!!!!!!!!!!.:P


But I mean it always gets me. How people can’t see that a false war with many dead is a much bigger deal then a blowjob.



It's not the duty of a president to conduct his private sexual life and certain way, it is, however, the duty of the pres to be military CIC, the director of the budget via appointments, signing of bills, and veto of bills.

You'll constantly notice adversaries who are out of gas on issues to turn to things like typos or aspects of office not related to duty. I guess it beats discussing this debt from 1T to 8.6T that is essentially the fault of the Righties. They would rather joke about grammar than to defend the indefensible; the righties have fiscally sunk this country.

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