Butters 0
Recommended Posts
ExAFO 0
QuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
"Give them something"??? How's about a kick in the ass and tell them that further fuckups will be dealt with more seriously??
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
QuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
How's that been working? Granted some would do well if rehabilitated, but sadly, prison seems to be more of a graduate school for criminals.
I stll say Maricopa County does a better job. Perhaps that should be the standard.
steveOrino
kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
"Give them something"??? How's about a kick in the ass and tell them that further fuckups will be dealt with more seriously??
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
Cheap meals, and no TV are fine with me. HOWEVER, shutting down prison libraries and educational programs strikes me as very counterproductive.
...
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
ExAFO 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
"Give them something"??? How's about a kick in the ass and tell them that further fuckups will be dealt with more seriously??
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
Cheap meals, and no TV are fine with me. HOWEVER, shutting down prison libraries and educational programs strikes me as very counterproductive.
When did I mention TV, libraries, or education programs?
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
QuoteQuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
We as a society have to pay for their incarceration when they re-offend. Each one that we rehabilitate in prison can cost us $25,000 less a year in the future.
kallend 2,150
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
"Give them something"??? How's about a kick in the ass and tell them that further fuckups will be dealt with more seriously??
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
Cheap meals, and no TV are fine with me. HOWEVER, shutting down prison libraries and educational programs strikes me as very counterproductive.
When did I mention TV, libraries, or education programs?
You didn't. I did as my contribution to the discussion.
...
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
ExAFO 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteWe have to rehabilitate prisoners and give them something to start with once they are released or they are more likely to reaffend.
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
We as a society have to pay for their incarceration when they re-offend. Each one that we rehabilitate in prison can cost us $25,000 less a year in the future.
I'm gonna call that $ well spent on removing malignant tissue from society. Life in prison on the installment plan.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
QuoteQuote"Give them something"??? How's about a kick in the ass and tell them that further fuckups will be dealt with more seriously??
We as a society owe them nothing. They owe us.
Cheap meals, and no TV are fine with me. HOWEVER, shutting down prison libraries and educational programs strikes me as very counterproductive.
Are prison libraries being shut down? Or is this just a hypothetical non-issue?
Butters 0
Viable options ...
1] Treat prisoners w/ respect and give them proper rehabilitation involving an education, job training, and a financial base for relase.
2] Death Penalty
3] ...
1] Treat prisoners w/ respect and give them proper rehabilitation involving an education, job training, and a financial base for relase.
2] Death Penalty
3] ...
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
ExAFO 0
QuoteViable options ...
1] Treat prisoners w/ respect and give them proper rehabilitation involving an education, job training, and a financial base for relase.
All benefits apparently not available to people who are not felons.
I have serious concerns about allotting
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
Butters 0
QuoteQuoteViable options ...
1] Treat prisoners w/ respect and give them proper rehabilitation involving an education, job training, and a financial base for relase.
All benefits apparently not available to people who are not felons.
I have serious concerns about allottinghuman sewageinmates opportunities that worthwhile members of society are not afforded.
I also do not appreciate spending valuable resources on prisoners. (It would also help to remove non-violent drugs crimes from the crimanal system.)
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
kbordson 8
On the topic of the pay raise. NO. That's silly. So is cable TV and other extravagants.
But with the discussion about respect for the inmates. ALL people, from the convicted felons to old Miss Smith down the street, deserve to be treated with some respect as a Human Being. Those in prison are paying the penalty for mistakes made (sometimes murder/homocide, sometimes white collar crime stuff). Not all are evil or scumbags... Hell... some are even innocent. People deserve to be treated like People. Doesn't mean that you spoil them... just don't make them less than a Human.
But with the discussion about respect for the inmates. ALL people, from the convicted felons to old Miss Smith down the street, deserve to be treated with some respect as a Human Being. Those in prison are paying the penalty for mistakes made (sometimes murder/homocide, sometimes white collar crime stuff). Not all are evil or scumbags... Hell... some are even innocent. People deserve to be treated like People. Doesn't mean that you spoil them... just don't make them less than a Human.
QuoteQuoteViable options ...
1] Treat prisoners w/ respect and give them proper rehabilitation involving an education, job training, and a financial base for relase.
All benefits apparently not available to people who are not felons.
I have serious concerns about allottinghuman sewageinmates opportunities that worthwhile members of society are not afforded.
Would you feel this way if any member of your family were to be incarcerated for anything from a minor offence to a major offence? I have known a number of people who have served time and have learned a trade in the prison system and have never commited another crime. Money well spent. I have also known a few who learned nothing while in prison and have gone on to commit another crime. For the most, it is up to the inmate to help him/her self along but, without a program to guide them nothing in their lives will change. I, myself, have done a little time at Descanso prison in Descanso, Ca. for a concealed weapons charge (a Buck knife in the case on my belt that my jacket covered. Not really concealed. Trumped up charge) way back in 84 and all we did was wash cop cars and picked up garbage (I guess someone had to do it). I left out of there more pissed off than when I arrived. I rode my Norton chopper there so the brightest part of the day was seeing my bike in the parking lot each day
. I don't know but, it seems to me to be counter productive to treat non-violent inmates who will be released as vermin (not saying that I was treated badly although the food was crap and some of the guards should had also been in prison orange). Better to treat them as students (structure via classes vs idle time in stir) and change their lives for the better than to offer them nothing but dispair and nothing to look forward to. Unless you have been there (as an imate, family or friends incarcerated or a prison worker) your opinion is weightless without merit."...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
ExAFO 0
QuoteUnless you have been there (as an imate, family or friends incarcerated or a prison worker) your opinion is weightless without merit.
Debate the issue, not the person, please.
Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.
QuoteUnless you have been there (as an imate, family or friends incarcerated or a prison worker) your opinion is weightless without merit.
Really? How far do you carry that illogic? Can only pediphyles have an opinion on their punishment?
steveOrino
Richards 0
QuoteI have known a number of people who have served time and have learned a trade in the prison system and have never commited another crime. Money well spent. For the most, it is up to the inmate to help him/her self along but, without a program to guide them nothing in their lives will change. I don't know but, it seems to me to be counter productive to treat non-violent inmates who will be released as vermin (not saying that I was treated badly although the food was crap and some of the guards should had also been in prison orange). Better to treat them as students (structure via classes vs idle time in stir) and change their lives for the better than to offer them nothing but dispair and nothing to look forward to.
I agree in spirit with the idea of trying to assist with thier reintegration into society, however I do take exception to the idea of them being enticed with payraises. The reason for this is stated in your own post
"it is up to the inmate to help him/her self along ".
The idea of enticing them with payraises puts into question the motivation of the person entering the program. If someone truly wants to reform and reintegrate then he/she will partake in the program without needing to be bribed with higher pay. Like a student (who not only is not paid to go to university but often incurrs heavy debt) the convict should be enticed purely by the long term benefits of developing a skill. Playing the bribe game will get people into these programs for all the wrong reasons. As a result we will allocate funds best left to to those who actually want to reform to those who simply want more cigarrette money.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Share this post
Link to post
Share on other sites