kallend 2,146 #1 November 25, 2006 news.google.com/nwshp?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1111251378&hl=en So, whodunnit?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #2 November 25, 2006 Col. Mustard; In the Conservatory; With the CandleStick."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #3 November 25, 2006 QuoteCol. Mustard; In the Conservatory; With the CandleStick. A radioactive candlestick, no less.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #4 November 25, 2006 I'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy_Copland 0 #5 November 25, 2006 So who else would you say done it?1338 People aint made of nothin' but water and shit. Until morale improves, the beatings will continue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #6 November 25, 2006 QuoteI'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. During the cold war the KGB assassinated a defector on London bridge by firing a ricin pellet into his leg with a fake umbrella. How's that for theatrics?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 November 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. During the cold war the KGB assassinated a defector on London bridge by firing a ricin pellet into his leg with a fake umbrella. How's that for theatrics? I saw that episode of GET SMART Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #8 November 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. During the cold war the KGB assassinated a defector on London bridge by firing a ricin pellet into his leg with a fake umbrella. How's that for theatrics? I saw that episode of GET SMART Apparently you think it's a joke: www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/07/terror.poison.bulgarian/ news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2636459.stm... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #9 November 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. During the cold war the KGB assassinated a defector on London bridge by firing a ricin pellet into his leg with a fake umbrella. How's that for theatrics? That was the KGB making a statement during the cold war. What statement do you think Putin is trying to make? Is it possibe that someone is trying to frame Putin? Surely Putin could have had him killed without implicating Russian g-men.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #10 November 26, 2006 Even if he may not have personally goven the order, I have little doubts Putin's regime is behind the assassination. And under Anna Politkovskaya's murder as well. And there will be more. And they will walk away from it, because NO ONE can say or do much about it. Russia has become an energy pimp to Western Europe, and can bitch slap the EU around. Russia is today a full on dictatorship, which amazingly enough has the support of the majority of its population... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #11 November 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. During the cold war the KGB assassinated a defector on London bridge by firing a ricin pellet into his leg with a fake umbrella. How's that for theatrics? That was the KGB making a statement during the cold war. What statement do you think Putin is trying to make? Is it possibe that someone is trying to frame Putin? Surely Putin could have had him killed without implicating Russian g-men. Given the man I think any method would have implicated the Russians. If it was them, and they'd just shot him then there would probably be more chance of the killers being arrested - this way they were almost guaranteed to get away while still being certain of his death, I guess.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilatus_p 0 #12 November 26, 2006 Agreed. Also, look at the way people THINK about these kind of attacks. To walk up to a guy and shoot him through the head, with all the spattering bits of skull, blood and brain showering everywhere, is a much more visceral way of killing. It leaves a bigger impression on those who hear about it. With the posioning, to some people it is almost amusing, so theatrical that it perhaps becomes laughable. Squirting a little hairspray bottle of posion over some raw fish and quietly walking off. When people think of 'Russia' and 'Polonium poisoning' together, instead of the connection re-inforcing a fearful, negative image of Russia, it produces a slightly silly one. In the minds of the public then, such a killing does not overtly raise negative feeling (fear, mistrust, hate) towards the country suspected of doing it AS MUCH AS A DAYLIGHT SHOOTING WOULD. There is also the fact that, if you intend to be an outspoken critic of people known for poisoning said critics, you are going to spend a lot of your life in fear. In short - it scares the shite out of their opponents whilst minimising the foreign opinion impact, and seems so oldy-coldy-warry that its all the more deniable. Good timing with the new Bond film too.http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #13 November 26, 2006 Why does no one get the connections? It's a pretty straightforward path to follow the Russia-China-NK-Iran-Syria connection. Russia has never stopped being one of the 'bad guys' IMO.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #14 November 26, 2006 QuoteWhy does no one get the connections? It's a pretty straightforward path to follow the Russia-China-NK-Iran-Syria connection. Russia has never stopped being one of the 'bad guys' IMO. Predates the revolution, even.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #15 November 26, 2006 FSBWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #16 November 27, 2006 There's no proof... IF someone HAD written a book about bombing apartments in Chechnya and IF the organization blamed in the book took offense.... they might have done it. But... that's like saying "If I Did It" Sometimes there are things you can know.. but not prove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #17 November 27, 2006 QuoteThat was the KGB making a statement during the cold war. What statement do you think Putin is trying to make? According to one of the European newspapers, Litvinenko gace a file containing information about Putin's actions with regards to the "privatizing" of the russian company Yukos (sp?) to the former second in command of that company. That person has vowed to give it to Brittish police to help them in their investigation. it would seem that Litvinenko had some secrets in his possession that would not shed Putin in a feavourable light. I think it is pretty clear that Putin sent a strong mesage to others that anybody threatening to release such information would end up dying a long and painfull death. I would think there are some people thining twice right about now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #18 November 28, 2006 Quote....Polonium...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. Agreed. Salamium would have done the job just as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #19 November 28, 2006 QuoteWhy does no one get the connections? It's a pretty straightforward path to follow the Russia-China-NK-Iran-Syria connection. Russia has never stopped being one of the 'bad guys' IMO. Trent, with all due respect, how come you already know the answer before the investigation is completed? Not because I am Russian, I am just curious what in a God's sake is the evidence behind your statement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #20 November 29, 2006 You being Russian has nothing to do with it. It's the government of Russia that I think has never been able to be trusted. The easiest chain to follow is the Russia-China arms sharing and the Russia-China support for Iraq and Iran (see who makes their arms too), then also NK (mostly china's support, but remember the soviet influences probably never went away). Iran supports the syrians... see their weapons and ideologies... and Syria supports Hezbollah and Hamas. Syria and Iran also appear to have their hands in Iraq now as well. It's just a theory... but fairly easy to see some pretty glaring connections. You gotta admit, Putin is making some strange moves for what is supposed to be a new democracy. We might think the cold war is over... but maybe it was just a couple decades' rest. Like I said, just a theory. If I took it personally every time someone spewed the "Imperial Conspiracy of GW Bush" theories... I'd be bald now.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 November 29, 2006 QuoteThere's no proof... IF someone HAD written a book about bombing apartments in Chechnya and IF the organization blamed in the book took offense.... they might have done it. But... that's like saying "If I Did It" Sometimes there are things you can know.. but not prove. Actually Karen they were caught with their pants arount their ankles... http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,3973053,00.html When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #22 November 29, 2006 One thing for sure is they were sending alot of people a message with the manner in which the crime was perpetrated. If they only wanted him dead it would have been over in an instant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #23 November 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm a bit skeptical that Putin did it only because the Polonium is a bit over the top for a method of assassination. Why not just put a bullet in his head? I don't know...utilizing something so rare to kill someone just seems weird to me. During the cold war the KGB assassinated a defector on London bridge by firing a ricin pellet into his leg with a fake umbrella. How's that for theatrics? That was the KGB making a statement during the cold war. What statement do you think Putin is trying to make? Is it possibe that someone is trying to frame Putin? Surely Putin could have had him killed without implicating Russian g-men. Given the man I think any method would have implicated the Russians. If it was them, and they'd just shot him then there would probably be more chance of the killers being arrested - this way they were almost guaranteed to get away while still being certain of his death, I guess. Maybe they couldn't find a gun in the UK with the ban and all. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #24 November 29, 2006 So Russia utilized Polonium in order to appear silly? WTF? www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #25 November 29, 2006 Good point. I don't think its that clear but good point none the less.www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
