steveorino 7 #1 November 21, 2006 A thread drift on another topic leads me to this question. Your job only pays X amount of dollars. You need more. You can make the same or close to the same X amount of dollars by collecting welfare. Should you quit your job and collect welfare (you'll be with your kids more -- and won't be "emotionally abandoning" them as someone put it) or should you take on another job that may mean you will spend more time away from home. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #2 November 21, 2006 I dont have any kids. But the job I just started doesnt pay that good to start, but it gets a lot better after 6 months. Money is really tight at the moment so I took a second job. Wont be forever but hey, I have a nice roof over my head and lots of food on my table. So thats whats counts at the moment.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #3 November 21, 2006 Take a second job so that someone else doesn't have to take a second job to pay more for people to be on welfare."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #4 November 21, 2006 Take a second job, without a doubt. You and I were involved in this chat in the other thread. Most of my questions in that thread were rhetorical. I was pushing the limits of the discussion, to see what kind of responses came back. The boundaries I was pushing involved the lifestyle our society, the US, provides to us.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #5 November 21, 2006 I understand. But there are those out there that would rather do nothing then get paid minimum wage. See poll. That bothers me. Maybe it shouldn't but it does. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #6 November 21, 2006 What if the decision were "collect unemployment" vs. get a job? I have had that decision to make in the past. Washington state has fairly generous unemployment insurance benefits and the money I got per week was the same or more than I could have gotten for any type of temporary job while I was job-hunting. I chose to take the unemployment insurance and use my weekdays to job hunt. But I did have to think about it for a while. However, I consider it a different equation because UI is an insurance program that I paid into (at least indirectly) through my employer. It is not a welfare program."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #7 November 21, 2006 QuoteHowever, I consider it a different equation because UI is an insurance program that I paid into (at least indirectly) through my employer. It is not a welfare program. Collecting what you paid in to isn't the same as staying home every day, cashing welfare checks. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #8 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteHowever, I consider it a different equation because UI is an insurance program that I paid into (at least indirectly) through my employer. It is not a welfare program. Collecting what you paid in to isn't the same as staying home every day, cashing welfare checks. Yep, that was my thinking. But during the two periods of my career that I've been on unemployment due to layoffs, I did find it remarkable how many people seem to believe that unemployment *is* a welfare program. They'd say "Oh, I'm not sure I'd ever want to collect unemployment - I don't believe in taking a handout from the state." I am really surprised by the number of people who don't understand how that system works!"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #9 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteHowever, I consider it a different equation because UI is an insurance program that I paid into (at least indirectly) through my employer. It is not a welfare program. Collecting what you paid in to isn't the same as staying home every day, cashing welfare checks. Aha, glad this came up. Talk to a business owner and he/she will tell you what a bunch of welfare unemployment insurance is. It's fun to think it isn't, but it comes from the Dept of Economic Security, same place other forms of welfare come from. Nice...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #10 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHowever, I consider it a different equation because UI is an insurance program that I paid into (at least indirectly) through my employer. It is not a welfare program. Collecting what you paid in to isn't the same as staying home every day, cashing welfare checks. Yep, that was my thinking. But during the two periods of my career that I've been on unemployment due to layoffs, I did find it remarkable how many people seem to believe that unemployment *is* a welfare program. They'd say "Oh, I'm not sure I'd ever want to collect unemployment - I don't believe in taking a handout from the state." I am really surprised by the number of people who don't understand how that system works! I believe it is welfare, but I also believe you have a right to take it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #11 November 21, 2006 I WAS a buiness owner. I never saw unemployment insurance as welfare. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #12 November 21, 2006 It's nice to think that we would all take a second job. It's quite another to be in that situation. So, the appropriate thing to do is likely to not put yourself in a situation where you've got kids and a low-paying job. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #13 November 21, 2006 QuoteA thread drift on another topic leads me to this question. Your job only pays X amount of dollars. You need more. You can make the same or close to the same X amount of dollars by collecting welfare. Should you quit your job and collect welfare (you'll be with your kids more -- and won't be "emotionally abandoning" them as someone put it) or should you take on another job that may mean you will spend more time away from home. You need more options, like "get a better paying job", and "sell your child".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #14 November 21, 2006 I have 4 grown kids -make me an offer. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #15 November 21, 2006 oooh...do I get to make an offer? Your sons are cute...young but cute. Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #16 November 21, 2006 yeah, two of them do think they are studly. For whatever reasons! Now tell me ... do these guys look like they were abandoned? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #17 November 21, 2006 That would depend on whether or not you are a single parent. The role of parent is critical, and if say a single mother never gets to play any role in her childrens lives due to 90 hour workweeks, then I would accept her taking support (although I am a beleiver in workfare type programs that would keep the parent at some sort of task while the kids were in school). If there are two parents then work it out and split the kid time and each get jobs. Richards My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #18 November 21, 2006 Quoteoooh...do I get to make an offer? Your sons are cute...young but cute. From my perspective, you are young but cute, too. Can I make an offer?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #19 November 21, 2006 You take the 2nd job, and you do what you need to do to improve your situation. Working a 2nd job does not equate to emotionally abandoning your children. You can work a lot of hours and still be a good parent....even a single parent (me). I think I'm a pretty good mom. :) A problem, though, is that if you're making so little money that being on welfare would leave you in a similar financial situation as working two jobs, then you'd be hard pressed to find affordable, quality childcare unless you have extended family to take up the slack. In that case, you live on the dole and use that time to do what you can to improve your situation....get an education or learn a new skill-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #20 November 21, 2006 QuoteWhat if the decision were "collect unemployment" vs. get a job? I have had that decision to make in the past. Washington state has fairly generous unemployment insurance benefits and the money I got per week was the same or more than I could have gotten for any type of temporary job while I was job-hunting. I chose to take the unemployment insurance and use my weekdays to job hunt. But I did have to think about it for a while. However, I consider it a different equation because UI is an insurance program that I paid into (at least indirectly) through my employer. It is not a welfare program. I just got into a big arguement w/ a relative last week over this. He's pissed cause I can get unemployment anytime I wish. (between const. jobs). I do take the time to hunt better(paying) jobs tho. Fuck emI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #21 November 21, 2006 QuoteIt's nice to think that we would all take a second job. It's quite another to be in that situation. So, the appropriate thing to do is likely to not put yourself in a situation where you've got kids and a low-paying job. Damn. The sound of logic always has to come outI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #22 November 21, 2006 QuoteI have 4 grown kids -make me an offer. LOL. I'll trade you a couple lazy ones for.....?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #23 November 21, 2006 QuoteQuoteoooh...do I get to make an offer? Your sons are cute...young but cute. From my perspective, you are young but cute, too. Can I make an offer? awww...thank you! You're sweet. Hey...you can dance so that's a bonus on your part.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #24 November 21, 2006 Nope...they don't look abandoned at all. pssttt...maybe 'cause they get their studly looks from their father? Edited to add in response to the original post question... I personally would try to get a 2nd job instead of going on welfare, but that's just me. I don't have an issue with someone that's on welfare that is using it in the way it was intended - a means to help a person until they can get on their feet. I have an issue with someone that's on welfare and refuses to do anything about getting off of it.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #25 November 21, 2006 Quote I personally would try to get a 2nd job instead of going on welfare, but that's just me. I don't have an issue with someone that's on welfare that is using it in the way it was intended - a means to help a person until they can get on their feet. I have an issue with someone that's on welfare and refuses to do anything about getting off of it. That is my feelings. Welfare has its purpose, but too many abuse it. it needs a MAJOR overhaul. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
