After Spending a Week in Oklahoma

[ExAFO 0]

I feel the need to remind the people of the former secessionist states:

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

What the fuck. If the rebel flag is a symbol of heritage, then the swastika is just a hindu good luck symbol.

GET OVER IT. WE WON.

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Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[AggieDave 6]

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GET OVER IT. WE WON.

Wow, you're really old. Which company did you serve with? How was Lincoln in real life?

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[ExAFO 0]

We can all claim WW2 as "our" victory. The inhabitants of the North can therefore claim the same.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[AggieDave 6]

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The inhabitants of the North can therefore claim the same.

Even if your family immigrated to the US after 1865? Since you're laying down some ground rules for us to follow.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[ExAFO 0]

Either.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[AggieDave 6]

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Either.

Alrighty.

My dad's family is from Minn. and my mom's family is from Miss. So thanksgiving is always an adventure. Its even worst since we have a couple of Aggies, a couple of Texas Tech and a t.u. alum in the family as well.


Ok, seriously, though. Do you have problems with German style Maltese Crosses? Those are seen much more widely in our society then a rebel flag. Those span more then 1 war with the US as well. As a side note, the "rebel flag" isn't really a good symbol for heritage pride. It wasn't widely used as a battle flag in the Civil War. There are other flags that would be more appropiate.

In the modern US the rebel flag is more of a current southern pride then it is a heritage pride thing. Atleast in TX I see many more Texas flags then rebel flags. Now that's something that you could be proud of. Talk about a proud history and a bright future.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Douva 0]

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I feel the need to remind the people of the former secessionist states:

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

What the fuck. If the rebel flag is a symbol of heritage, then the swastika is just a hindu good luck symbol.

GET OVER IT. WE WON.

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It should probably be pointed out that Oklahoma wasn't a state during the American Civil War. It was an Indian territory that did provide some support to the Confederacy, in the form of troops, but wasn't a part of the Confederacy. If Oklahoma freaked you out, you should visit the DEEP south sometime. There are people there who take that shit seriously.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[akarunway 1]

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I feel the need to remind the people of the former secessionist states:

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

What the fuck. If the rebel flag is a symbol of heritage, then the swastika is just a hindu good luck symbol.

GET OVER IT. WE WON.

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It should probably be pointed out that Oklahoma wasn't a state during the American Civil War. It was an Indian territory that did provide some support to the Confederacy, in the form of troops, but wasn't a part of the Confederacy. If Oklahoma freaked you out, you should visit the DEEP south sometime. There are people there who take that shit seriously.

You'll get my rebel ballcap when you pry my cold dead fingers from around it. Jeesh people. Get over it! I am discerning over where I wear it tho. Gotta be PC nowadays

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[NCclimber 0]

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I feel the need to remind the people of the former secessionist states:

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

What the fuck. If the rebel flag is a symbol of heritage, then the swastika is just a hindu good luck symbol.

GET OVER IT. WE WON.

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You're a model of tolerance.

Since you seem unable to accept the behavior of the locals, perhaps....

















YOU SHOULD STAY THE FUCK OUT OF OKLAHOMA!!!!!

and brush up on your American history, too.


On a side note, Hugh Jackman (of Wolverine fame) is starring in Oklahoma on PBS, 8pm, Thurday.

Oklahoma is OK.

[steveorino 7]

As a Texan who lives in OK for the last 11 years I'm trying to figure out where you saw that many rebel flags??? In all the years I've been here I have seen maybe one or two on a biker's leather vest or on a pick-up truck. I guess I don't hang in the same places you do.

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[DaVinci 0]

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I feel the need to remind the people of the former secessionist states:

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

And how do you feel about rainbow stickers? How about Malcom "X" hats? The little Christ fish? Closing pin necklaces?

Tolorance. These things do not hurt you.

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then the swastika is just a hindu good luck symbol

It is, and it even predates that. It is one of the oldest symbols.

Your intolorance is showing.

Edit: I don't have a confederate flag, swastika, rainbow sticker, Malcom "X" symbol, Little Christ fish, and I HAD a closing pin necklace but I don't know where it is....But even though I don't have these, nor am I Confederate, NAZI, Gay, Black, or Christain I tend not to get pissed at people who are and show it any more than I get pissed at skydivers for showing it.

[kallend 2,150]

Not directed to anyone in particular.

It is remarkable that those who seem most concerned about the symbolism of burning the US flag or flying other flags above it seem least concerned about the rather nasty symbolism of the Confederate flag.

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[Lucky... 0]

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Not directed to anyone in particular.

It is remarkable that those who seem most concerned about the symbolism of burning the US flag or flying other flags above it seem least concerned about the rather nasty symbolism of the Confederate flag.

What a contradiction..... never thought about it that way..... hey, you must have gone to college out of high school.

[DaVinci 0]

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It is remarkable that those who seem most concerned about the symbolism of burning the US flag or flying other flags above it seem least concerned about the rather nasty symbolism of the Confederate flag.

Fair answer. The inverse is also true don't you think? Those that support the right to burn the US flag refuse to support the flying of the confederate flag, or the use of a swastika.

I think the difference IMO is this. The US flag includes all of us (in the US). All these others SEPERATE us.

I can easily support the unity of the American flag and honor it, without getting my panties in a bunch over some else's flag, or symbol.

Of course people are free to do as they please, and that includes buring the flag. But if you support that, would you also support the right to fly the confederate flag?

[rehmwa 2]

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Of course people are free to do as they please, and that includes buring the flag. But if you support that, would you also support the right to fly the confederate flag?

I support private property rights. Even when the gestures are idiotic, impotent and/or insensitive. Your flag on your land? do what you want it? If I don't like it, I'll tell you to your face, but I won't try to make it illegal, I'll just think you are an idiot, ineffective and/or a jerk. (this bit is an opinion and not a direct comment to DaV)

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[kallend 2,150]

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It is remarkable that those who seem most concerned about the symbolism of burning the US flag or flying other flags above it seem least concerned about the rather nasty symbolism of the Confederate flag.

Fair answer. The inverse is also true don't you think? Those that support the right to burn the US flag refuse to support the flying of the confederate flag, or the use of a swastika.

I think the difference IMO is this. The US flag includes all of us (in the US). All these others SEPERATE us.

I can easily support the unity of the American flag and honor it, without getting my panties in a bunch over some else's flag, or symbol.

Of course people are free to do as they please, and that includes buring the flag. But if you support that, would you also support the right to fly the confederate flag?

I support the right to fly whatever flag you want, where you want, when you want, how you want, and if it belongs to you to do with it whatever you want.

A college friend of mine had two HUGE Nazi flags in his college room. Was he a Nazi? No, they came from Hitler's bunker in Berlin. His name was "Tedder", I am sure you can put the pieces together and figure out who his father was...

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[steveorino 7]

Sir Aurthur?

steveOrino

[kallend 2,150]

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Sir Aurthur?

Bingo. My friend's godfather was one "Dwight D. Eisenhower".

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[akarunway 1]

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Not directed to anyone in particular.

It is remarkable that those who seem most concerned about the symbolism of burning the US flag or flying other flags above it seem least concerned about the rather nasty symbolism of the Confederate flag.

I personally wear mine to reflect that> "I've been REBELLIOUS" my whole life.

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[JohnRich 4]

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Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

Would you prefer to outlaw and suppress their freedom of expression?

[Lucky... 0]

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Sir Aurthur?

Bingo. My friend's godfather was one "Dwight D. Eisenhower".

So what's so unusual for a Republican to have a Nazi flag? Geez Kallend, I thought you were brilliant

[Lucky... 0]

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I feel the need to remind the people of the former secessionist states:

YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

Fuck's sake, I am so goddamn sick of rebel flags.

What the fuck. If the rebel flag is a symbol of heritage, then the swastika is just a hindu good luck symbol.

GET OVER IT. WE WON.

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I worked there in 87 and it was likely worse then. In the breakroom they had 2 tables, 1 for directs and 1 fro contractors. If a contractor found his way to the other table he was fucked.

They didn;t like the fact that my GF, who worked there too, took home 2-3 times what they did, so they stole her license plate and fucked with her in genral.

That place is fucked, but they have the right to be the way they want.

[Douva 0]

I think the general point that should be taken away from all this is that every place has its pros and cons, and stereotyping any place is an unfair oversimplification. I used to travel to California pretty frequently, and it always amazed me how many people in California hate Texas and how many people in Texas hate California and how little any of those people actually know about the state they so vehemently despise.

I don't have an M.D. or a law degree. I have bachelor's in kicking ass and taking names.

[rickjump1 0]

I heard when the Alaskan pipeline was being built, the locals had one dream: every Oklahoman going home with a Texan under each arm. Had the majority of construction workers come from Yankee terrority, I'm sure the sentiment would have been different.

Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts.

[kallend 2,150]

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Sir Aurthur?

Bingo. My friend's godfather was one "Dwight D. Eisenhower".

So what's so unusual for a Republican to have a Nazi flag? Geez Kallend, I thought you were brilliant

You need to learn a little non-US history. How many "Sir Arthur" type titles (later Lord ....) go to Republicans?

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