rushmc 23 #26 November 20, 2006 Quote>Are those on the other side proud to be called libs? Absolutely. I'm all about new solutions to old problems. I didn't bitch about the cost of power out here - I put up a solar power system. I didn't just complain about the traffic and gas prices around here - I bike. At the company I work at, we thought cellphones should be better and cheaper. We didn't lobby the government to mandate lower prices. We designed our own standard, built phones and base stations, and sold them. Made money doing it, too. I am in favor of freedom of speech, action and belief, and think that people should be able to be any race/religion/sexual orientation without being discriminated against in any way. I think old ideas and traditions sometimes have merit, but should not be a barrier to new ideas and new roles for people. In other words, I'm a liberal. Call your self what ever you like but most of your issues are not liberals to own. In any event I am for nearly all you post but with one change. I do not think traditions should be torn down just to be destroyed (not all traditions anyway). Adjustments can and should be made but through and exchange of ideas. Not one side using political correctness as a weapon....."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #27 November 20, 2006 > I do not think traditions should be torn down just to be destroyed . . . . . unless there's a good reason. I agree. All too often, though, I think we stick with older traditions just because they're there, rather than because they benefit us. Should women stay home while men work? No benefit in that (other than tradition.) No reason to keep it. If a couple has kids, should one person be with them a lot? Yes - there _is_ a good reason for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #28 November 20, 2006 Quote In other words, I'm a liberal. Who paid for your bachelors and graduate degree(s)?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #29 November 20, 2006 >Who paid for your bachelors and graduate degree(s)? A combination of me, my parents and scholarships. Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #30 November 20, 2006 Quote Should women stay home while men work? No benefit in that (other than tradition.) No reason to keep it. Actually this touches on a point that I've been thinking about recently. While I don't think that "women should stay at home" I do think that there's a benefit to one spouse staying at home. Everyone, especially those on the right, like to talk about the decline of the "family" and "family values". I think a lot of the decline that they're referring to can be attributed to the fact that both parents have to work full time jobs to maintain the middle class lifestyle that one working parent used to be able to provide. This means that someone else is charged with raising their children during the day. Nowadays, the home is just where the family meets to eat and sleep. And during that short time that the parents and children have "together" they're spending most of it in front of one type of screen or another instead of actually interacting with each other. But to keep with the thread.....ummm....yea...embrace the future and update the 100 yr old technology that rules our lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #31 November 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteI love the way you libs label people the irony. Beat me to it. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #32 November 20, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI love the way you libs label people the irony. Beat me to it. Blues, Dave Wouldn't it be fun to see which group uses more unkind political labels in SC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #33 November 20, 2006 Quote A combination of me, my parents and scholarships. Why? Just curious. Same situation for me, though I'm not a liberal. Thus, the question.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #34 November 20, 2006 Quote Wouldn't it be fun to see which group uses more unkind political labels in SC. I try to think of people as individuals rather than as members of groups, but can say that, lately, the most vitriolic name-calling seems to come from people who lean left. Their counterparts who lean right make up the difference in severity with an overwhelming quantity, and all who participate in such tactics tend to just make themselves look foolish. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 November 28, 2006 How about this mans perspective? Note: read to the end. There is where he makes the biggest points about mans involvement He contradicts himself it seems but an interesting article none the less http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=419258&in_page_id=1770 Hey kallend I did not find this on NewsMax!!!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #36 November 29, 2006 QuoteHow about this mans perspective? Note: read to the end. There is where he makes the biggest points about mans involvement He contradicts himself it seems but an interesting article none the less http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=419258&in_page_id=1770 Hey kallend I did not find this on NewsMax!!!!! But The Daily Mail, Jeesh!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 November 29, 2006 Did you read it? It certinaly does not support my position........"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #38 November 29, 2006 >While I don't think that "women should stay at home" I do think >that there's a benefit to one spouse staying at home. (warning - thread drift in progress) I think there is certainly a benefit in parents raising a child. They need not be the same parent all the time - or even the biological parents - but I do think it's important for a child to have a very small group of people to call parents. It can even be a grandparent or sister/brother if the situation warrants, but having someone to rely on (and emulate and learn from) is important for children. In most cases, that means either one parent stays home, or they alternate. One compromise solution is to have one parent work from home while the other works a more traditional job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
