Conservatives are more generous than liberals

[JohnRich 4]

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Philanthropy Expert: Conservatives Are More Generous

When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: "For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of American society. Although they usually give less to charity, they have nevertheless lambasted conservatives for their callousness in the face of social injustice..."

Values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals. liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

"His main finding is quite startling, that the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least." [ /i]

Source: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

[billvon 3,111]

Hmm! A conservative religious website publishes a commentary on a book by a very conservative religious activist - and what do you know, he considers conservatives more generous than liberals! A shocking conclusion. Let's see if I can find an article from an Air America website written by an ACLU lawyer about how liberals are much smarter than conservatives. That should be just as reputable.

[rehmwa 2]

That's just guilt over their blood money. everyone knows all conservatives are rich only because some liberal chump worked his butt off for minimum wage to make the boss rich.

Don't you read anything here?


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[rehmwa 2]

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"the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least."

seriously, some talk a lot, some do and don't talk a lot - they are hardly ever the same people


why would that be "quite startling"?

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[rehmwa 2]

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Let's see if I can find an article from an Air America website written by an ACLU lawyer about how liberals are much smarter than conservatives. That should be just as reputable.

you can forget the Air America website, just do a search in Speaker's Corner

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[NCclimber 0]

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Hmm! A conservative religious website publishes a commentary on a book by a very conservative religious activist

He's a "very conservative religious activist"?

Are you just making this stuff up, today?

[billvon 3,111]

>He's a "very conservative religious activist"?

Well, let's check out his recent articles:

One on how the democrats _might_ win the House (not the senate) but that it's clear that the future is all conservative.

One on how "extreme liberals" are more angry and bitter than extreme conservatives. (for CBS.)

One that blamed liberalism for the April riots in France (for CBS.)

One on how liberalism will die because liberals aren't 'breeding' enough. (Never knew political party affiliation was genetic!) (for the WSJ.)

One on how religious conservatives are more likely to have "tender, concerned feelings for the less fortunate." than liberals.

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This is just to speak to his demonstrated _past_ biases, not to the article itself, which isn't really fair. So on to the article -

It wouldn't suprise me that if you chose your demographic correctly it would indicate that religious people who belong to established religions donate more money than secular people - most churches pressure people for regular donations. Indeed, the article specifies that "religious conservatives", not conservatives, are the more generous ones. It would be interesting to see what would happen to the data if you normalized for attendance at religious services. I suspect the difference would disappear once you removed the influence of the collection basket.

[Channman 2]

I think this article hit a nerve with liberals in general. If you liberals start giving more, I'll write this guy and see if he will do a follow up article to lets us all know how you liberal are doing in the giving department.

While I await, I need to send a check for Adult Stem Cell research.

[kelpdiver 2]

It may well be true, Bill, since the conservatives are more likely (I presume) to go to church, and that is a tax subsidized membership. I personally can't say that's really a charitable donation, since it is primarily done to fund the religious services you desire.

Remove that 10% as many sects demand, and the inbalance might disappear.

[Lucky... 0]

Liberals don't want social help tied to having to subscribe to the cult we call the Christian Church, so I dismiss all that about church-based charity. Liberals want the government to have the duty to extend help regardless of color, status, religiosity, age, gender, etc....

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two-parent families

This is generosity? O----K

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Protestant work ethic

Not saying the right has a handle on this, but how is this generosity?

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distaste for government-funded social services

This DOES support the contention that conservatives are callous; how can you (or the author) assert that being for government-funded services is callous?

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liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

Not only is this an absolute statement, it is presumptive without support.

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"His main finding is quite startling, that the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least."

What is startling along the lines of talking and not doing is the issue of tax and the economy. The fiscally responsible group took over in 1980 and have run the debt from 1 trillion to 8.5 T.

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It may well be true, Bill, since the conservatives are more likely (I presume) to go to church, and that is a tax subsidized membership. I personally can't say that's really a charitable donation, since it is primarily done to fund the religious services you desire.

Remove that 10% as many sects demand, and the inbalance might disappear.

But there aren't strings attached to church help, there are ropes. Love Jebus, get help, don't love the 60's drug addict, no help. I've known people to dupe those clowns so bad by pretending.

Church donations can't reasonably counted as donations to charity, it's to fund their séances.

[billvon 3,111]

>Remove that 10% as many sects demand, and the inbalance might disappear.

Yeah, would be interesting to see the breakdown - what goes to organized religions, and what goes to the poor/Katrina victims/tsunami victims etc.

[shropshire 0]

I'll be generous here..... as generalistions go, thats pretty far fetched John.

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>He's a "very conservative religious activist"?

Well, let's check out his recent articles:

One on how the democrats _might_ win the House (not the senate) but that it's clear that the future is all conservative.

One on how "extreme liberals" are more angry and bitter than extreme conservatives. (for CBS.)

One that blamed liberalism for the April riots in France (for CBS.)

One on how liberalism will die because liberals aren't 'breeding' enough. (Never knew political party affiliation was genetic!) (for the WSJ.)

One on how religious conservatives are more likely to have "tender, concerned feelings for the less fortunate." than liberals.

Edited to add -

This is just to speak to his demonstrated _past_ biases, not to the article itself, which isn't really fair. So on to the article -

It wouldn't suprise me that if you chose your demographic correctly it would indicate that religious people who belong to established religions donate more money than secular people - most churches pressure people for regular donations. Indeed, the article specifies that "religious conservatives", not conservatives, are the more generous ones. It would be interesting to see what would happen to the data if you normalized for attendance at religious services. I suspect the difference would disappear once you removed the influence of the collection basket.

I remember when John Stossel was the darling of the Left, until he started questioning their sacred cows. Then he "Became The Scourge of The Liberal Media".

And for everyone wants to disqualify religous donations - do a little research... find out how much of those donations go towards running the church and how much goes towards charitable efforts. You might be surprised.

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And for everyone wants to disqualify religous donations - do a little research... find out how much of those donations go towards running the church and how much goes towards charitable efforts. You might be surprised.

No, no...churches are BAAAAAAAAAD... unless it's a mosque..that's ok.

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find out how much of those donations go towards running the church and how much goes towards charitable efforts. You might be surprised.

Yep.. when the money goes to facilities so your church is bigger and more ostentatious than the other churches in town.... and your pastor has a lifestyle that he had only hoped for when he started... the big houses.. the airplanes.. the cars....hell that is what our pastor did...

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find out how much of those donations go towards running the church and how much goes towards charitable efforts. You might be surprised.

Yep.. when the money goes to facilities so your church is bigger and more ostentatious than the other churches in town.... and your pastor has a lifestyle that he had only hoped for when he started... the big houses.. the airplanes.. the cars....hell that is what our pastor did...

Got any actual facts to support your claims or is this just fabricated blather? I'm really interest in hearing about your pator taking church funds to buy airplanes.

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find out how much of those donations go towards running the church and how much goes towards charitable efforts. You might be surprised.

Yep.. when the money goes to facilities so your church is bigger and more ostentatious than the other churches in town.... and your pastor has a lifestyle that he had only hoped for when he started... the big houses.. the airplanes.. the cars....hell that is what our pastor did...

Got any actual facts to support your claims or is this just fabricated blather? I'm really interest in hearing about your pator taking church funds to buy airplanes.

Seriously, we all know the pastor serenades little boys with that money, let's keep it straight.

[Amazon 7]

Ever look at ANY of the evangelicals on TV???? You know like the good Pastor Haggard.... and all the others who seem to be far more interested in money and power than actually doing the lords work



Then again I formed my opinion from first hand of our pastor when we were growing up... VERY nice house.. in the BEST neighborhood of course.. A new cadillac every other year.. I guess every year would have been a bit much even for him.... and yes.. he has a nice Cessna....


We had been members for years.....mom was a sunday school teacher... both of us were in the choir... and we were involved in other church activities as well.
And when my mother lost her job with a company she had been with ( because her boss left the company to start his own business( they felt she would be loyal to him rather than the company) the good pastor was nice enough to send her a letter asking why our contributions envelope had not been as full as usual... not that he wanted to help.... but he was not getting his normal 10% tithing
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[Gravitymaster 0]

Apparently, this is true. Here's the breakdown State by State.

http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/generosity_index/2004_Generosity_Index.xls

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[JohnRich 4]

Conservatives are generous with their own money.
Liberals are generous with other people's money.

[kallend 2,146]

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Conservatives are generous with their own money.
Liberals are generous with other people's money.

Well, conservatives also seem to like rules that allow them to emulate Enron and Tyco:

www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/20/yourmoney/market.php

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[Lucky... 0]

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Conservatives are generous with their own money.
Liberals are generous with other people's money.

Then how is it that the debt is rising at phenominal rates when the Repubs are in office? Perhaps the Repubs are spending everyone's money.

When you slam the chargecards, you are spending the money of others.

[billvon 3,111]

> Conservatives are generous with their own money.
>Liberals are generous with other people's money.

Republicans have spent more of your money over the past six years than any other political party during any other period of time, ever. So unfortunately the facts don't bear out that assertion.

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> Conservatives are generous with their own money.
>Liberals are generous with other people's money.

Republicans have spent more of your money over the past six years than any other political party during any other period of time, ever. So unfortunately the facts don't bear out that assertion.

IN fact, the debt has risen 3T in 6 years under Bush. It rose 3T in 12 years under Reagan/Bush. So the rate of increase is double that of the previous disaster.