Ca. city to ban ALL smoking

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And farting in the plane really is so uncool

I think that's a pressure thing. It seems that around 9,000' it explodes.

[kallend 2,151]

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Skydiving is more dangerous than smoking.

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How much skydiving vs how much smoking. Smoking a pack a day from age 20 will (statistically) reduce your life expectancy by 6 years. Making 100 jumps/year from age 20 will (statistically) reduce your life expectancy by 2 years.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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“I would just like to say ‘no smoking’ and see what happens and if they do smoke, [someone] has the right to have the police come and give them a ticket,” said Councilwoman Coralin Feierbach.

The council’s decision garnered applause from about 15 people who showed up in support of the ordinance. One woman stood up and blew kisses to the council, another pumped his fist with satisfaction.

They banned smoking in airplanes and public buildings. Then they banned smoking in restaurants, bars, and theaters. They banned smoking in smoke shops. Then they banned smoking on beaches. And the battle cry was always, "Hey, don't pollute my air, keep that smoke to yourself."

Now they've banned smoking anywhere in public and also in your car, apartment, condo, or townhome.

I don't understand how people could possibly applaud this. Does anyone sleep at night? Or does everyone roll around in bed endlessly, plagued by an eternal state of restlessness from the loathsome thought that someone... somewhere... ...is smoking a cigarette?

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It can get even weirder. Someone mentioned the Calgary bylaw change in a previous post (about taking a dump in public - hey why not? The birds do it).

In Calgary you can smoke on the street. However, you can't smoke on an outdoor patio attached to a bar or pub, but you can smoke inside.

But you have to understand, mental illness is like cholesterol. There is the good kind and the bad. Without the good kind- less flavor to life. - Serge A. Storms

[steveorino 7]

One of my favorite experiences is walking into a building, a bank, a hospital, an office, etc. and have to breath all the crap the smokers are polluting the air near the entrance with so that the people inside the building won't have to breath what I'm breathing just to get into their establishment.

All that being said. I think what one does in their home or car is no one's business besides there own. Ban in in EVERY public place ... okay by me.

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One of my favorite experiences is walking into a building, a bank, a hospital, an office, etc. and have to breath all the crap the smokers are polluting the air near the entrance

In my last job, the building was no smoking, but they put ashtrays at the building corners so the smokers would walk (a Whole 100 feet or so - covered) away from the entrance for their 'break' they took every hour.

They just smoked near the entrance and threw the butts on the ground, anyway. This is my stereotype of smokers. That and the old man cracking the car window 1/2 inch if the drive was really long. And watching butts fly out of car windows like candy thrown from parade floats. And a literal 'carpet' of butts outside the DZ entrance. (with big ashtray canisters on either side of that entrace - within one foot)

BTW, at 40 we've gotten my asthma and lung damage now mostly reversed to within a sigma of 'normal' expectations. I'll be purchasing preventative asthma meds for the rest of my life though.

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“I would just like to say ‘no smoking’ and see what happens and if they do smoke, [someone] has the right to have the police come and give them a ticket,” said Councilwoman Coralin Feierbach.

The council’s decision garnered applause from about 15 people who showed up in support of the ordinance. One woman stood up and blew kisses to the council, another pumped his fist with satisfaction.

They banned smoking in airplanes and public buildings. Then they banned smoking in restaurants, bars, and theaters. They banned smoking in smoke shops. Then they banned smoking on beaches. And the battle cry was always, "Hey, don't pollute my air, keep that smoke to yourself."

Now they've banned smoking anywhere in public and also in your car, apartment, condo, or townhome.

I don't understand how people could possibly applaud this. Does anyone sleep at night? Or does everyone roll around in bed endlessly, plagued by an eternal state of restlessness from the loathsome thought that someone... somewhere... ...is smoking a cigarette?

can you tell me why society thinks it's acceptable for me not to be able to take heroin in the privacy of my own home, yet it's still ok to smoke in the privacy of your own home?

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One of my favorite experiences is walking into a building, a bank, a hospital, an office, etc. and have to breath all the crap the smokers are polluting the air near the entrance with so that the people inside the building won't have to breath what I'm breathing just to get into their establishment.

All that being said. I think what one does in their home or car is no one's business besides there own. Ban in in EVERY public place ... okay by me.

you'd be happy for any children of yours to be taking heroin in the privacy of their own home then?

[steveorino 7]

I guess most people would think I was referring to the topic thread of public smoking, but hey, some people don't always get it.

steveOrino

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EXTRA-LONG POST COMING:

This country is not a Utopia, and it never will be - our attempts to achieve perfection are FUTILE. If you think for one minute that banning smoking in ANY place will deter a smoker from lighting up, you are sorely mistaken. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on the planet.

Do you think arresting someone for smoking pot or crack has any effect on their addiction to the drug? Most people go looking for a hit as soon as they post bond/bail.

This is nothing more than people trying to force their will on others - we've gone to war over less. Good luck trying to keep the government out of your personal affairs once laws like this are enacted. Oh, wait - it's too late for that.

At one time in our history, it was illegal to beat your wife with a stick bigger-around than your thumb (This is where the phrase "As a rule of thumb" comes from.) Check it out.

Oral sex is STILL illegal in some states; good luck smoking a pole in public. Forget about "In the butt, Bob."

How many non-smokers will be upset when phohibition returns? Don't laugh - it's coming.

Here are some other fun/disturbing facts:

It is illegal to walk down the street in Maine with your shoelaces undone.

In Pennsylvania, it is illegal for a man to purchase alcohol without written consent from his wife.

In Nebraska, a parent can be arrested in his or her child can’t hold back a burp during a church service. It is also against the law to sneeze in a Nebraska church.

When a man meets a cow in Minnesota, he is required by law to remove his hat.

In Texas, it is illegal to take more than three sips of beer at a time while standing.

In Ohio, women are prohibited from wearing patent leather shoes in public. In Cleveland, Ohio, it is illegal to catch mice without a hunting licence.

In California, it is illegal to threaten a butterfly, let alone kill one.

In North Dakota, it is illegal to lie down and fall asleep with your shoes on.

No store is Providence, Rhode Island, is allowed to sell a toothbrush on a Sunday. But they can sell toothpaste and mouthwash on the Sabbath.

In Atlanta, Gerogia, it is illegal to tie a giraffe to a telephone pole or street lamp.

It is illegal to spit into the wind in Nebraska.

In Kansas, it’s against the law to catch fish with your bare hands.

In Oklahoma, it is illegal to get a fish drunk. You also risk arrest, a fine or a jail sentence if you are caught making “ugly faces” at a dog.

You may not eat cottage cheese after 6pm on a Sunday in Tampa Bay, Florida.

In Muncie, Indiana, it is illegal to carry fishing tackle in a cemetery.

In Chicago, it is illegal to go fishing while wearing pyjamas.

In New York, a fine of $25 may still be levied for flirting. This old law prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking “at a woman in that way.” A second conviction for this crime requires the offender to wear a pair of racehorse blinders whenever he goes out!

T.I.N.S.

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This old law prohibits men from turning around on any city street and looking “at a woman in that way.” A second conviction for this crime requires the offender to wear a pair of racehorse blinders whenever he goes out!

Well, by now I would have probably been given the death penalty on this one....

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[champu 1]

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can you tell me why society thinks it's acceptable for me not to be able to take heroin in the privacy of my own home, yet it's still ok to smoke in the privacy of your own home?

Because we, as a society, are completely out of our minds? Because some people refuse to admit that they simply don't know what's best for everyone? Because politicians (left and right) still cling to the ridiculous notion that doing the completely wrong thing is somehow better than doing nothing at all?

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>Do you think arresting someone for smoking pot or crack has any
>effect on their addiction to the drug?

That's a silly argument.

Do you think arresting someone for drunk driving has any effect on their addiction to alcohol?

Do you think arresting someone for shooting someone during a crack deal has any effect on their addiction to crack?

Most laws protect OTHER PEOPLE from your actions. If you drive drunk, you are a hazard to others, and can be arrested. If you smoke in a DMV (where people have to go if they want to get a license) you can be arrested for making other people sick. There's nothing about saving you from yourself in any of that. Want to drink yourself to death in your apartment? Go right ahead - just don't drive to the liquor store on public roads and endanger others.

(As I've said before, the parts of this law that prohibit smoking in one's own space - like in a car - are not supportable as protecting the public.)

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Now they've banned smoking anywhere in public and also in your car, apartment, condo, or townhome.

I don't understand how people could possibly applaud this. Does anyone sleep at night? Or does everyone roll around in bed endlessly, plagued by an eternal state of restlessness from the loathsome thought that someone... somewhere... ...is smoking a cigarette?

You've never lived in an apartment with a smoking neighbor who doesn't give a shit when the smoke comes up from him into your room I expect. It's like having someone smoking in the room you with you and I had a young baby in there. Yes I spoke with him and he did not stop, I ended up moving to a house. Many smokers are addicts who are so into getting their next fix that they do it without regard to non-smokers, regulation is the only way to control it and it works.
I'm totally OK with baning it anywhere where there is a chance a non-smoker could get poisoned by it.
As for the BS about police state, this is just one of thousands of toxic substances that the government is deciding to regulate, no more. Do you object to the government regulating the toxins a company can dump in the rivers or the type pesticides a farmer can use on his crops?

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>smokers arn't a protected group under law.

That's a scary way to look at it, because neither are skydivers, or pilots, or drinkers, or heterosexuals.

The way I look at it is that we are ALL a "protected group" under the law. The government cannot take away our rights without a very good reason, and it's up to us to make sure they don't.

Some groups are protected by law, veterans, races etc. Smokers/skydivers are not
If skydivers started dropping shit all over peoples houses and upsetting folks we would be more closely regulated, but we don't, we take care to be responsible and for the most part we don't piss people off or endanger them, if smokers didn't make being around them when they are doing their habit such a bad experience they wouldn't be regulated either.

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In California, it is illegal to threaten a butterfly, let alone kill one. "_____________________________________It's prolly a terrorist threat under the new DHS "Patriot Act " too! Please keep me safe Mr. Bush. And save me from myself while you're at it

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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One of my favorite experiences is walking into a building, a bank, a hospital, an office, etc. and have to breath all the crap the smokers are polluting the air near the entrance

In my last job, the building was no smoking, but they put ashtrays at the building corners so the smokers would walk (a Whole 100 feet or so - covered) away from the entrance for their 'break' they took every hour.

They just smoked near the entrance and threw the butts on the ground, anyway. This is my stereotype of smokers. That and the old man cracking the car window 1/2 inch if the drive was really long. And watching butts fly out of car windows like candy thrown from parade floats. And a literal 'carpet' of butts outside the DZ entrance. (with big ashtray canisters on either side of that entrace - within one foot)

BTW, at 40 we've gotten my asthma and lung damage now mostly reversed to within a sigma of 'normal' expectations. I'll be purchasing preventative asthma meds for the rest of my life though.

Sorry about your luck. SUE SOMEBODY

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Now they've banned smoking anywhere in public and also in your car, apartment, condo, or townhome.

I don't understand how people could possibly applaud this. Does anyone sleep at night? Or does everyone roll around in bed endlessly, plagued by an eternal state of restlessness from the loathsome thought that someone... somewhere... ...is smoking a cigarette?

You've never lived in an apartment with a smoking neighbor who doesn't give a shit when the smoke comes up from him into your room I expect. It's like having someone smoking in the room you with you and I had a young baby in there. Yes I spoke with him and he did not stop, I ended up moving to a house. Many smokers are addicts who are so into getting their next fix that they do it without regard to non-smokers, regulation is the only way to control it and it works.
I'm totally OK with baning it anywhere where there is a chance a non-smoker could get poisoned by it.
As for the BS about police state, this is just one of thousands of toxic substances that the government is deciding to regulate, no more. Do you object to the government regulating the toxins a company can dump in the rivers or the type pesticides a farmer can use on his crops?

ROFLMAO. You don't think the big corps. pollute and run? Spell EVIAN backwards. And by the way. Monsanto forces all (most) the farmers to use their genetically engineered crap nowadays>http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/Monsantovsusfarmersreport.cfm

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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As for the BS about police state, this is just one of thousands of toxic substances that the government is deciding to regulate, no more. Do you object to the government regulating the toxins a company can dump in the rivers or the type pesticides a farmer can use on his crops?

ROFLMAO. You don't think the big corps. pollute and run? Spell EVIAN backwards. And by the way. Monsanto forces all (most) the farmers to use their genetically engineered crap nowadays>http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/Monsantovsusfarmersreport.cfm

Of course they pollute, but the laws in place have significantly reduced the pollution in the USA, some are even forced to pay for the cleanup.
If you want to see what happens when there is no state enforcement on corporate pollution look at china, russia and parts of africa/asia, and other third world countries.
Anyway, if I'm in an apartment with a young baby I don't want neighbors smoke, I think that me and my baby and family have a right to clean air, period. It's incredible that it is legal to contaminate the air in someone elses living space with known carcinogens. What gives a smoker the right to do that, why shouldn't there be laws protecting people especially if the majority of the "people" or their elected representatives want it?

P.S. I don't care if you want to smoke, I agree you have a right to do this, but not at the expense of other peoples health.

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As for the BS about police state, this is just one of thousands of toxic substances that the government is deciding to regulate, no more. Do you object to the government regulating the toxins a company can dump in the rivers or the type pesticides a farmer can use on his crops?

ROFLMAO. You don't think the big corps. pollute and run? Spell EVIAN backwards. And by the way. Monsanto forces all (most) the farmers to use their genetically engineered crap nowadays>http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/Monsantovsusfarmersreport.cfm

Of course they pollute, but the laws in place have significantly reduced the pollution in the USA, some are even forced to pay for the cleanup.
If you want to see what happens when there is no state enforcement on corporate pollution look at china, russia and parts of africa/asia, and other third world countries.
Anyway, if I'm in an apartment with a young baby I don't want neighbors smoke, I think that me and my baby and family have a right to clean air, period. It's incredible that it is legal to contaminate the air in someone elses living space with known carcinogens. What gives a smoker the right to do that, why shouldn't there be laws protecting people especially if the majority of the "people" or their elected representatives want it?

P.S. I don't care if you want to smoke, I agree you have a right to do this, but not at the expense of other peoples health.

"some"> I rest my case. If you're a big corp. you get away w/ LITERALLY murder (especially if you have friends that are politicians) Trust me you are being killed more by big govt. and corps. than some second hand smoke

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Anyway, if I'm in an apartment with a young baby I don't want neighbors smoke, I think that me and my baby and family have a right to clean air, period. It's incredible that it is legal to contaminate the air in someone elses living space with known carcinogens. What gives a smoker the right to do that, why shouldn't there be laws protecting people especially if the majority of the "people" or their elected representatives want it?

Perhaps we should appy the standard to automobile exhaust. If you open your window and traces of CO2 waft in, then by jolly someone should pay. Fair is fair.

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Anyway, if I'm in an apartment with a young baby I don't want neighbors smoke, I think that me and my baby and family have a right to clean air, period. It's incredible that it is legal to contaminate the air in someone elses living space with known carcinogens. What gives a smoker the right to do that, why shouldn't there be laws protecting people especially if the majority of the "people" or their elected representatives want it?

Perhaps we should appy the standard to automobile exhaust. If you open your window and traces of CO2 waft in, then by jolly someone should pay. Fair is fair.

If you hadn't noticed automomible polution regulations have been tightening over the last few decades, CA has laws mandating 0% emissions for the future.
BTW CO2 is a concern for global warming, our bodies produce it as well.

What give someone the right to invade my space with their cigarette smoke, still haven't answered that have you.

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What seems to missing from this discussion is any evidence of that secondhand smoke in an enclosed space has any effect on people outside of thar space.

Over the years I've lived in at least 10 multi-unit buildings. I don't recall a single place where I smelled smoke (tobacco or other) or food aromas, while my doors and windows were closed.

The only time I recall smelling others' cigarette smoke was when an adjacent neighbors were smoking on their deck and the door to my deck was open.

Was it a petty nuisance? Yes.

A health risk? I laugh at such an assumption.

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What seems to missing from this discussion is any evidence of that secondhand smoke in an enclosed space has any effect on people outside of thar space.

Over the years I've lived in at least 10 multi-unit buildings. I don't recall a single place where I smelled smoke (tobacco or other) or food aromas, while my doors and windows were closed.

The only time I recall smelling others' cigarette smoke was when an adjacent neighbors were smoking on their deck and the door to my deck was open.

Was it a petty nuisance? Yes.

A health risk? I laugh at such an assumption.

I have no problem with someone smoking in their apartment if they prevent the smoking getting into someone elses enclosed space, why should I have to live with my windows closed, it gets hot in the summer and opening windows cools the apartment down.

Second hand smoke is not a petty nuisance, even the federal government and tobacco companies recognise that it is a health risk.

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More people die from skin cancer (where there's a much more measurable cause and effect) every year than the subjectively estimated number of ETS lung cancer deaths each year.

Whatever should be do? Require everyone to cover up?

Do you favor the banning of trans fats?

How about installing breathalizers in all cars?

Banning dodgeball?

How about trampolines? Make them illegal?

The point I'm trying to make is any health benefit of this ban is probably so small it wouldn't be measurable.

Meanwhile, 25 percent of the population is being told by the government that something they do, that is very much a part of their day to day life, is now illegal... banned... VERBOTEN!!!