Ca. city to ban ALL smoking

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They also baned smoking in apartments :)

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Apartment Hallway, near door

Officer pounds on door.

Officer: (yelling) All right sir, we know you are in there, and we are pretty damn sure you are smoking. Your neighbor 3 doors down was on her balcony and said she smelled something. We have a warrant. Don't make us kick down the door.

Interior
Smoky Apartment, behind barricade of card table and cigarette cartons.

Smoker

Puffing on cigarette.

Smoker: Go f yourselves! And tell that nosy neighbor bitch to eat shit! I aint coming out!

Officer: Sir, this is your last chance. Open the door or it will be breached!

Smoker: Suck me, copper!

And so on and so on....

Ending with a dead cop and dead smoker in the resulting gunfight.

In other word: How the hell can you enforce this without becoming a police state?

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[NCclimber 0]

It seems like it was just yesterday that non-smoker sections were being designated in theaters, airlines and restaurants.

What was that Virginia Slims slogan???

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It seems like it was just yesterday that non-smoker sections were being designated in theaters, airlines and restaurants.

What was that Virginia Slims slogan???

Progress is a beautiful thing.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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>Why not? It's been done for cell-phone use...

?? There are places that prohibit cell phone use in your car? (Not driving, just while in a car.)

It was my impression that this law prohibited smoking because it was smelly and unhealthy, not due to any safety-while-driving aspect.

I was only stating that other activities people enjoy while driving have been restricted for safety purposes... Cell phones, alcohol, TVs within eyeshot of the driver...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[billvon 3,120]

>other activities people enjoy while driving have been restricted for safety purposes...

Cellphone limits protect OTHER drivers from your inattention due to cellphone usage.

Cigarette bans protect you from yourself.

Bit of a difference, don't you think?

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>other activities people enjoy while driving have been restricted for safety purposes...

Cellphone limits protect OTHER drivers from your inattention due to cellphone usage.

Cigarette bans protect you from yourself.

Bit of a difference, don't you think?

Cigarette burns, fumbling around for another/a lighter/lighting it...sounds rather distracting...could lead to an accident...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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i like your reasoning
Do i have the right to take ecstacy and cocain if i want to? why not, it's my body so surely i can do what i want yeah?

just the same as i don't have the right to sit in my own car and take ecstacy, why should somebody have the right to sit in their own car and smoke? both are harmful to you, both can kill you, both are seen as bad for society. just because smoking is still legal, people think they should have the right to do it in their own home. No you don't, just like i don't have the right to take recreational drugs in my own home

I think you should have a right to put whatever you want into your own body, provided that the manner in which you do so presents no added risk to those around you.

[billvon 3,120]

>Cigarette burns, fumbling around for another/a lighter/lighting
>it...sounds rather distracting...could lead to an accident...

So could drinking a bottle of water.

I can think of a few studies showing using a cellphone in a car is distracting. Is there any evidence showing that smoking in a car is distracting?

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Some people can smoke, or talk on the phone, or adjust the radio while driving and be safe about it. Some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time, and are generally a danger to everyone around them, whatever it is they are doing.

Don't punish us coordinated people for the failings of the terminally clumsy accidents waiting to happen.

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>other activities people enjoy while driving have been restricted for safety purposes...

Cellphone limits protect OTHER drivers from your inattention due to cellphone usage.

Cigarette bans protect you from yourself.

Bit of a difference, don't you think?

Cigarette burns, fumbling around for another/a lighter/lighting it...sounds rather distracting...could lead to an accident...

an attractive woman on the sidewalk can also be distracting, better ban attractive women.

drinking ANYTHING (coffee, water, soda, etc) could be a distraction while driving.

having any kind of communication with any passenger in your vehicle could be a distraction.

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It's the easiest way to tax it - see someone smoking, then fuckin A! ticket him.

Here is a great quote indicating the thinking: “You can’t walk down the street with a beer, but you can have a cigarette,” Warden said. “You shouldn’t be allowed to do that."

What are some other things you shouldn't be able to do, I wonder:
1) have a bathtub without a non-slip surface?
2) have people sit at barstools without a clipped-on climbing harness to prevent damaging falls?
3) Drive and SUV or pickup truck?
4) Escecially one with low air in the tires?
5) Or a clogged air cleaner?
6) Or any vehicle that runs on gasoline?
7) or runs on anything that is not provided by a cash-strapped local utility?
8) Or anythign with a two-stroke engine?
9) Or anything that might kick up some dust?

The possibilities abound as to what you shouldn't be able to do!

He then said, "I just think it shouldn’t be allowed anywhere except in someone’s house. If you want to do that, that’s fine.”

Yeah, for the next couple of years. Then it'll be no smoking in your own home.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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can think of a few studies showing using a cellphone in a car is distracting. Is there any evidence showing that smoking in a car is distracting?

You've just been to McDs for that morning cup of scalding coffee.

You place it between your legs and light a cig.

You head out of the parking lot and the cell phone rings.

As you answer it, you hit the dip going out of the driveway, and the cig falls between your legs.

You start fumbling around for the cig, and spill the coffee right in your crotch.

You careen across four lanes of traffic, causing a ten car pileup, and jamming traffic for two hours.

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One of the few times I asked someone not to smoke was at a DZ once. He was walking in the packing area with a lit cig. I don't get upset easily, but that one really bothered me. Otherwise smoke away. I know I killed a few thousand brain cells last night at happy hour so who am I to judge.

[billvon 3,120]

>You've just been to McDs for that morning cup of scalding coffee.
>You place it between your legs and light a cig.
>You head out of the parking lot and the cell phone rings.
>As you answer it, you hit the dip going out of the driveway, and the cig falls between your legs.
>You start fumbling around for the cig, and spill the coffee right in your crotch.
>You careen across four lanes of traffic, causing a ten car pileup, and jamming traffic for two hours.

So ban McDonald's. Problem solved. (And that would have a much larger impact on improving people's health than this law!)

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Ending with a dead cop and dead smoker in the resulting gunfight.

thus solving the neighbor's complaint - chalk one up for the good guys

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I think you should have a right to put whatever you want into your own body, provided that the manner in which you do so presents no added risk to those around you.

I also have no issue with people eating or injecting chemically altered tobacco based chemicals into their system.

Ever take a cigarette butt back off the street and throw it back into their car? Everyone says that THEY "always use the ashtray". My observation so far is bullshit. Every single smoker I've seen that claims that must think the entire outdoors is their ashtray. But that's just anecdotal - I have no Newsmax or LA Times link to provide.

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Ending with a dead cop and dead smoker in the resulting gunfight.

thus solving the neighbor's complaint - chalk one up for the good guys

The only good result in my story would be if the nosy bitch neighbor got killed for sticking in her nose where it didn't belong - preferably by chainsaw, axe, or slow dipping in acid.

As for the distracted driving - I once drove while eating a double cheeseburger and reading the newspaper. AND it was a stick.

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Skydiving is more dangerous than smoking.

I could debate that.

Facts are simple. If you want government sponsored health care, then get used to the government telling you what you can and can't do.

In fact a republican 08 candidate said that we spend so much on fixing problems that we could have easily prevented. Smoking...Obesity..ect.

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More than 90 percent of spending on health care — roughly 16 percent of the gross national product — is for treating disease, while only about 8 percent is spent on prevention, Thompson said.

"To me that's just backwards," he said. "I want to try and transpose that."--Thommy Thompson

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reading the newspaper. AND it was a stick.

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lots of newspapers nowadays are sticks

USA Today?

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My observation so far is bullshit. Every single smoker I've seen that claims that must think the entire outdoors is their ashtray. But that's just anecdotal - I have no Newsmax or LA Times link to provide.

My observation is that if you go to a bar with a big group of non-smokers, after about a 6 pack you will find the percentage of non-smokers in the group taking a nose dive.

I also have no link.

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after about a 6 pack you will find the percentage of non-smokers in the group taking a nose dive.

seen that too. but smoking does inhibit making rational choices

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How the hell can you enforce this without becoming a police state?

Too late.

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I think you should have a right to put whatever you want into your own body, provided that the manner in which you do so presents no added risk to those around you.

I also have no issue with people eating or injecting chemically altered tobacco based chemicals into their system.

Ever take a cigarette butt back off the street and throw it back into their car? Everyone says that THEY "always use the ashtray". My observation so far is bullshit. Every single smoker I've seen that claims that must think the entire outdoors is their ashtray. But that's just anecdotal - I have no Newsmax or LA Times link to provide.

oh please, show us the way of your perfect life where you have never been responsible for a piece of trash finding its way to the ground. I'd love to find a way of living that did not produce ANY garbage. If environmental issues are your primary concern, then I am sure we will all understand when you quit skydiving. Because certainly anyone who is concerned with the environment wouldn't A) move from point a to the dropzone in a vehicle that burns fuel and B) participate in a sport that requires an aircraft which produces tons of pollution.

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nicely done

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I smoke but don't around anybody that doesn't. What the fuck is this world coming to? Flame away on us smokers

OK, you asked for it.

Your hair stinks, your clothes stinks, your vehicle stinks, your breath stinks, you throw lit butts out of the windows and start fires, you dump you ashtrays at the stop light instead of taking it home and dumping it in the trashcan.

When I have to do a paint job in the house of a smoker, I have to wash everything down that I intend to paint.

You have a two year old in the backseat, and somehow, think that opening the window 1/2 inch is keeping the child from breathing smoke. Give those little lungs a break.

After opening packs of cigs for twenty years, and looking directly at the warning, you still think that you have the right to sue the tobacco company for ruining your life.

There! If I think of more, I'll come back.

Here's another one. The worker who wastes time lighting up, squinting through smoke, taking the cig out of his mouth to exhale, and thinks that he is as valuable as the nonsmoker.

First off. Thanks for all the responses. Now. As I said I don't smoke around anyone who doesn't. I don't throw butts anywhere other than an ashtray. I don't have kids a wife or animals and I think the human race pretty muck sucks so I keep my distance from people and expect them to give me MY SPACE. That way you don't have to smell my breath or hair. I've met some pretty stinky people that don't smoke including SWEATY SMELLY skydivers, people w/ nasty food on their breath etc. I know smokin is a nasty habit and hard as hell to quit. Trust me. If I can't have my alcohol and nicotine when I want it you REALLY wouldn't like me. (is that a terrorist threat nowadays?) peace out Edit to add: And farting in the plane really is so uncool

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.