Gawain 0 #26 November 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you do decide to bring those classification in to the debate fine, but please pick up a book (if you can read) and look at history. See who has shed more blood? Who has started more wars? Who was responsible for more genocide? I guess Islam is now going for the best "score"???? No more than Christianity is. Think about it, its a silly thing to say. I think that was on purpose. I don't agree with her 95% of the time, but her humor is on target, per se. So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 November 15, 2006 I appreciate the links...thank you!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #29 November 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteFred Felps Phelps Not to me ... what a disgrace to my father's good name steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #30 November 15, 2006 You see what I mean though. There are plenty of Muslims against Terrorism and are vocal about it but who is reporting it? Twenty Thousand Muslims demonstrate against 'Islamic' terrorism and hardly anyone even mentioned it. Some woman has dodgy info on her laptop and the world knows about it. Thats what hacks me off. The war is running on hate on both sides and instaed of building bridges and understanding to beat the terrorists together the Media do everything they can to play into the hands of the terrorists and divide the peacemakers.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #31 November 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteFred Felps Phelps Not to me ... what a disgrace to my father's good name We're with you, brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #32 November 15, 2006 QuoteYou see what I mean though. There are plenty of Muslims against Terrorism and are vocal about it but who is reporting it? Twenty Thousand Muslims demonstrate against 'Islamic' terrorism and hardly anyone even mentioned it. Some woman has dodgy info on her laptop and the world knows about it. Thats what hacks me off. The war is running on hate on both sides and instaed of building bridges and understanding to beat the terrorists together the Media do everything they can to play into the hands of the terrorists and divide the peacemakers. Couldn't have said it better, myself!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #33 November 15, 2006 On the flip side, we have the leader of Iran encouraging hostilities, massive protests throughout Europe over a few cartoons and that unpleasantness in Sudan that's been going on for over 20 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #34 November 15, 2006 QuoteOn the flip side, we have the leader of Iran encouraging hostilities, massive protests throughout Europe over a few cartoons and that unpleasantness in Sudan that's been going on for over 20 years. As you said Quotethe leader of Iran It a political thing. The US has threatened to attack his country and he's doing what he thinks is best for his country, there are coalition special forces in Iran and we've been supporting what he would regard as terrorist groups in Iran for years. As for the cartoon riots again that was a very small group of hotheads. In the UK along there are over five million Muslims, in the demonstration here there were an estimated 200 people of who about 50-100 rioted....Out of FIVE MILLION. Yet you didn't hear about the TWENTY THOUSAND that protested lawfully against Islamic Terrorism, your making points for me! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #35 November 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteOn the flip side, we have the leader of Iran encouraging hostilities, massive protests throughout Europe over a few cartoons and that unpleasantness in Sudan that's been going on for over 20 years. As you said Quotethe leader of Iran It a political thing. The US has threatened to attack his country and he's doing what he thinks is best for his country, there are coalition special forces in Iran and we've been supporting what he would regard as terrorist groups in Iran for years. As for the cartoon riots again that was a very small group of hotheads. In the UK along there are over five million Muslims, in the demonstration here there were an estimated 200 people of who about 50-100 rioted....Out of FIVE MILLION. Yet you didn't hear about the TWENTY THOUSAND that protested lawfully against Islamic Terrorism, your making points for me! I wonder why we don't hear about massive protests inside Iran against terrorism? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #36 November 15, 2006 Maybe because a) Terrorist means someone different in Iran b) Anti government demmos aren't tolerated well Iran is a political state in its own right, not everything comes back to religion. If Russia had won the cold war and had now invaded Mexico and was threatening to invade you I'd be supprised if you'd be demonstrating against the people in Mexico that were fighting them either.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #37 November 15, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteOn the flip side, we have the leader of Iran encouraging hostilities, massive protests throughout Europe over a few cartoons and that unpleasantness in Sudan that's been going on for over 20 years. As you said Quotethe leader of Iran It a political thing. The US has threatened to attack his country and he's doing what he thinks is best for his country, there are coalition special forces in Iran and we've been supporting what he would regard as terrorist groups in Iran for years. As for the cartoon riots again that was a very small group of hotheads. In the UK along there are over five million Muslims, in the demonstration here there were an estimated 200 people of who about 50-100 rioted....Out of FIVE MILLION. Yet you didn't hear about the TWENTY THOUSAND that protested lawfully against Islamic Terrorism, your making points for me! I wonder why we don't hear about massive protests inside Iran against terrorism? - Quote3. The MEK, which had in the past indulged in acts of terrorism inside Iran from sanctuaries provided by the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq, has been designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organisation (FTO) under a 1996 US law. Till recently, this precluded any CIA assistance to or even contacts with it. However, it would seem that after the occupation of Iraq by the US forces, the CIA and the Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) have been allowed to establish contact with MEK elements in Iraq and West Europe for using them against the Teheran regime. This decision was reportedly taken to pre-empt any Iranian meddling in Iraq. 4. The MEK has had the ability in the past to organise acts of terrorism in Iranian territory mainly because of the operational assistance provided by the Iraqi intelligence. As of now, the CIA does not have a similar operational capability inside Iran. Moreover, the Bush Administration would not like to be seen by the international community as sponsoring terrorism in Iran. Its present cultivation of the MEK is meant more to exercise psychological pressure on the Teheran regime and to keep before it the spectre of a US-backed operation one day for a regime change, with the MEK spearheading the operation with US assistance. http://www.saag.org/papers8/paper719.html So as you can see Terrorist is a term that works both ways.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #38 November 15, 2006 QuoteI thought that might be the case. Here are some links to some of those Muslims against Terrorism actions that I have posted here on DZ.com in the past. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1093534#1093534 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2301581;search_string=Muslims;#2301537 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1527840#1527840 So called "moderate" Muslim leaders often say one thing in public and quite another to their followers. If a Catholic Bishop advocated murdering abortion doctors, he would not retain his position in the church. When was the last time a fanatic Islamic leader lost his position for their advocation of violence? There sure are a lot of them that hold positions of high esteem within their religion. When some Christian fanatic nut kills an abortion doctor in the US, law enforcement agencies agressively pursue, and prosecute. When was the last time some fanatic was prosecuted by the Palestinian Authority, Syrian Government, Iranian government, etc.? Saudi Arabia has recently gone after some fanatics, but only because they attacked Saudis. The Islamic fanatics are not extremists within their religion, they are mainstream, they are common, they are respected leaders of their religion. Glenn Beck's special show Exposed: The Extremist Agenda is on tonight on CNN Headline News. I think it should have been called Exposed: The Mainstream Agenda. Today a guy from some Islamic thinkers group or some such name tried to explain how their group's violence inciting speeches don't really mean what the words of the speeches would indicate.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #39 November 15, 2006 QuoteSo called "moderate" Muslim leaders often say one thing in public and quite another to their followers. Obviusly you go to more mosques than I do so I'll have to take your word for this going on your vast experience. QuoteIf a Catholic Bishop advocated murdering abortion doctors, he would not retain his position in the church. If you had the first inkling of knowledge about Islam you would know that unlike Christianity which has a Church structure in a primidal form no such heiracy exists in Islam QuoteWhen was the last time a fanatic Islamic leader lost his position for their advocation of violence? Abu Hamza? QuoteThe Islamic fanatics are not extremists within their religion, they are mainstream, they are common, they are respected leaders of their religion. There are somewhere in the region of 1.5 BILLION Muslims in the world, if that was true there would be full scale street battles in every country around the world. If you stop and think about it you'd know that your statment is nonsense.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
