usedtajump 1 #26 November 12, 2006 QuoteI want a flash card made that says Could you drive better with that cell phone shoved up your ass? I saw a bumper sticker last week stating that exact thing.The older I get the less I care who I piss off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #27 November 12, 2006 Quote myself. They look very techy and modern and I can usually see better by the blue lights on the car next to me than I can by my own... Dim yellow halogens or bright bluish HID? I'd pick HID.The problem with them is that they blind oncoming drivers, and the older you get, the slower your eyes readjust. There ought to be some common courtesy involved here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #28 November 12, 2006 I also despise those center islands that force you to drive 1/4 mile, and make a u-turn to get to a business on the left hand side of the road. Traffic engineers need them stuck up their asses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteMy biggest pet peeve is when there's a "no u-turn" sign when you finally make it to the intersection.It's almost as if they have appointed themselves to be traffic grinches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #29 November 12, 2006 Here's another one. I am a very courteous and laid back driver. If I'm on the road at rush hour, I'll let 3 or 4 cars in at an entrance ramp, only to watch them cut someone else off at the next ramp. I really just want to eliminate those people. They just don't get the big picture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #30 November 12, 2006 >The problem with them is that they blind oncoming drivers . . . A few points there. 1) They are more focusable than incandescents, meaning more light on the road and less light in other driver's eyes. 2) Most HID lamps have self-levelers, so if there's a heavy load in the back, the lights are aimed farther down to compensate for the new angle of the car. This also helps keep the light out of driver's eyes. 3) They're more efficient, and thus increase gas mileage a bit. 4) While they are still fairly new they have "novelty" value which equates to being noticed more; being noticed helps prevent accidents. I don't think this is a good reason to use them on its own, but other drivers do (it's similar to the "loud pipes save lives" rationale.) I think _any_ headlight is annoying, even unsafe, when aimed poorly. Around here, we often see pickup trucks that have been in fender-benders with their front grilles bent so one headlight is shining upwards at a 20 degree angle and the other one is shining off to the right somewhere. But when everything's working right, I find HID lights to be less blinding when the car is behind me or approaching me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwampThing 0 #31 November 12, 2006 QuoteThey just don't get the big picture Quote Then pull a 'drive by' on thei axx! The Pessimist says: "It can't possibly get any worse!" The Optimist says: "Sure it can!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #32 November 12, 2006 My pet peeve is people who think there is such a thing as the fast lane. There's no such fucking thing! It's the over-fucking-taking lane, goddamnit! I don't give a fuck how fast you think you're going, if you're not overtaking someone, you don't belong there. Stop telling yourself it's the fast lane, and maybe you'll start driving like someone who has to share the road. You can be the idiot doing 150km/h and think you're really cool, but to the even bigger idiot doing 160, you're just a pain in the arse! And no, that car waaaaaaay up ahead there is not a good excuse to stay in the overtaking lane and chill. My second biggest peeve is the idiot who wants to do 150 who tailgates like fuck because he/she can't wait until I finish overtaking. Get over it. I'll move over once this car next to me is no longer next to me. You're doing 20-50km/h more than almost everyone else here, Fangio, you've got to expect to hit some back-markers, so just chill, ok. There'll be a passing opportunity at the next hairpin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #33 November 12, 2006 Can you describe something that really ticks you off? This was pretty deadpan. I think anyone that loses their temper on the road should just.....walk. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #34 November 12, 2006 QuoteMy pet peeve is people who think there is such a thing as the fast lane. There's no such fucking thing! It's the over-fucking-taking lane, goddamnit! I don't give a fuck how fast you think you're going, if you're not overtaking someone, you don't belong there. Stop telling yourself it's the fast lane, and maybe you'll start driving like someone who has to share the road. You can be the idiot doing 150km/h and think you're really cool, but to the even bigger idiot doing 160, you're just a pain in the arse! And no, that car waaaaaaay up ahead there is not a good excuse to stay in the overtaking lane and chill. If you give the fast car the right of way in the left lane, it forces the driver to the right when someone is trying to overtake pass. QuoteMy second biggest peeve is the idiot who wants to do 150 who tailgates like fuck because he/she can't wait until I finish overtaking. Get over it. I'll move over once this car next to me is no longer next to me. You're doing 20-50km/h more than almost everyone else here, Fangio, you've got to expect to hit some back-markers, so just chill, ok. There'll be a passing opportunity at the next hairpin. If you (generally speaking) are in the passing lane when someone behind you is trying to go faster, it is you who contributes most to the problem.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #35 November 12, 2006 QuoteI think _any_ headlight is annoying, even unsafe, when aimed poorly. Around here, we often see pickup trucks that have been in fender-benders with their front grilles bent so one headlight is shining upwards at a 20 degree angle and the other one is shining off to the right somewhere. But when everything's working right, I find HID lights to be less blinding when the car is behind me or approaching me. First, I obviously wouldn't have a complaint if there wasn't something wrong with them. Most people don't have a clue about aiming headlights. Do it in the dark with about a 50 yd, target. The passenger side should aim straight ahead, and the driver side should aim toward the center of the driver's lane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #36 November 12, 2006 QuoteThere'll be a passing opportunity at the next hairpin. Thanks for the laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #37 November 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think _any_ headlight is annoying, even unsafe, when aimed poorly. Around here, we often see pickup trucks that have been in fender-benders with their front grilles bent so one headlight is shining upwards at a 20 degree angle and the other one is shining off to the right somewhere. But when everything's working right, I find HID lights to be less blinding when the car is behind me or approaching me. First, I obviously wouldn't have a complaint if there wasn't something wrong with them. I agree (with Royd). Bells and whistles be damned; it was a fix for something that wasn't broken. Oncoming silver/blue headlights have the same effect on me as someone with their high beams on. Absolutely blinding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #38 November 12, 2006 QuoteIf you give the fast car the right of way in the left lane, it forces the driver to the right when someone is trying to overtake pass. Traffic flows better if the car isn't in the overtaking lane in the first place. People don't drive down the road staring into their mirrors. It often happens that by the time someone realizes that I'm there and going faster than them, I've already had ample time to move right, and overtake them there. Basically, if you're not overtaking, get out of the lane. QuoteIf you (generally speaking) are in the passing lane when someone behind you is trying to go faster, it is you who contributes most to the problem. I believe that everyone has as much right to use the road as anyone else. If I'm doing 130 and I come upon a group of cars doing 120, I am quite within my rights to check my mirrors and blind spot before moving left and overtaking them. If while I am in the middle of overtaking them, someone who wants to do 150 happens to come along, what would you have me do? I drive my own drive. I'm not going to speed up because someone is tailgating me. I'm also not going to attempt to move right until I have adequate space to do so, but as soon as such an opportunity is there, I do move left. I get stuck behind slower traffic at times, too, but when I do, I don't tailgate. It's a dangerous and unnecessary practice. The only time that it bugs me is when they're not using the lane to overtake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #39 November 12, 2006 QuoteTraffic flows better if the car isn't in the overtaking lane in the first place. People don't drive down the road staring into their mirrors. It often happens that by the time someone realizes that I'm there and going faster than them, I've already had ample time to move right, and overtake them there. Basically, if you're not overtaking, get out of the lane. Are you saying that one lane (with passing ability) can move more traffic than two lanes? If so, I strongly disagree. There is a reason there is a rear view mirror at the upper center of the windshield. It is so you can maintain awareness behind you without losing awareness to the front. If you go more than 5 seconds without scanning your rear view mirror, you are probably not very aware of the traffic around you. There are times it is advantageous to drive in the fast/passing lane if you maintain awareness and do not cause faster moving cars to have to slow down or pass on the right. QuoteI believe that everyone has as much right to use the road as anyone else. If I'm doing 130 and I come upon a group of cars doing 120, I am quite within my rights to check my mirrors and blind spot before moving left and overtaking them. If while I am in the middle of overtaking them, someone who wants to do 150 happens to come along, what would you have me do? I drive my own drive. I'm not going to speed up because someone is tailgating me. I'm also not going to attempt to move right until I have adequate space to do so, but as soon as such an opportunity is there, I do move left. I get stuck behind slower traffic at times, too, but when I do, I don't tailgate. It's a dangerous and unnecessary practice. The only time that it bugs me is when they're not using the lane to overtake. Why would you change lanes and get into the path of a faster moving vehicle? If you do that, why bother checking the mirrors at all? In order to maximize the amount of traffic any given road can handle, faster moving cars should be allowed to pass. Someone doing 60 mph passing a car doing 55 mph should not do so if it means they will cause a car doing 65 mph to have to slow and wait on them. Giving the fast car the right away in the fast/passing lane eliminates such problems.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #40 November 12, 2006 that all may be true, however, it doesn't mean that it's OK for the antsy driver to tailgate. Tailgating at high speeds shows a complete ignorance of physics. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #41 November 12, 2006 Too true. - Tail-gaters are arseholes, without exception. "Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule" (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #42 November 12, 2006 Quotethat all may be true, however, it doesn't mean that it's OK for the antsy driver to tailgate. Tailgating at high speeds shows a complete ignorance of physics. I'm not defending tailgating. To be honest, it pisses me off when people change lanes into my 2-3 seconds of space. However, if I'm passing a car moving much slower than me, I don't feel a need to wait until I have 3 seconds worth of distance to get back over. Since I'm moving faster, the space between me and the car I just passed will take care of itself.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites brettski74 0 #43 November 13, 2006 QuoteAre you saying that one lane (with passing ability) can move more traffic than two lanes? If so, I strongly disagree. I am racking my brain trying to work out how you came up with that out of what I wrote. I would disagree with that statement, too. It's ludicrous. If there are two cars - my car and the one in front of me, both overtaking a third car. If the front car happens to be travelling slower than me and doesn't pull over as soon as it is safe to do so, I have to wait additional time for there to be additional clearance for me to move right and go around the slower car. If the front car pulled over as soon as it was finished overtaking, I would not have to wait that additional time, thereby allowing better traffic flow. Sometimes, the gaps that appear in the right lane are not large enough for me to wait for clearance, move right, accelerate and be in front with enough clearance to move back into the overtaking lane, but such a gap may be plenty big enough for the slower car in front of me to move right and yield since we don't need the additional space for clearance at either end of the maneauvre. I've done this countless times to yield the overtaking lane to faster vehicles behind me without needing to slow down myself at all. This also contributes to better traffic flow. Both of these are examples of moving to the right lane when you have no need to be in the overtaking lane. QuoteThere is a reason there is a rear view mirror at the upper center of the windshield. It is so you can maintain awareness behind you without losing awareness to the front. If you go more than 5 seconds without scanning your rear view mirror, you are probably not very aware of the traffic around you. Whatever you choose to believe about rear-view mirrors, it has happened countless times that I have been waiting behind a car for minutes, and when we finally do get clear, they don't move over. I'm fairly sure that you're not as aware of what's going on behind you on the highway as you think you are. You're human like the rest of us. QuoteThere are times it is advantageous to drive in the fast/passing lane if you maintain awareness and do not cause faster moving cars to have to slow down or pass on the right. Strongly disagree. If you're not overtaking somebody, get out of the lane. The drivers guide in both countries in which I have taken driving tests agree with me on that. QuoteWhy would you change lanes and get into the path of a faster moving vehicle? If you do that, why bother checking the mirrors at all? I don't. That is why I check my mirrors. When I initiate an overtaking maneauvre on a moderately busy highway, there may be a group of 6 or more cars in front of me. There may be cars behind me. There may be other cars in the overtaking lane in front of me travelling slower than me. They are overtaking, and therefore have every right to be there, but I will have to wait behind them because they are slower than me. The faster car behind me may not be in the overtaking lane yet - maybe he/she has slipped up the right hand lane to get around other inconsiderate drivers who couldn't figure out when they had completed their overtaking maneauvre. Do I need to go on? You won't always be able to see this person coming when you pull out to overtake, and if you think you will, then you're kidding yourself. If you keep right unless overtaking, then you will be out of the way of faster traffic coming from behind whenever possible and when it's not possible, you'll be yielding the lane to them as soon as it does become possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cloudburst 0 #44 November 13, 2006 i hate every fucker who has a "child on board" sticker in their car, or the even worse one "tiny person on board" is it being driven by a fucking dwarf or something? i couldn't give a flying fuck if they have a child on board 9 times out of 10, they just want to shout to the world that they have managed to reproduce and think people will be impressed by that, i'm not, so shut the fuck up CUNT i actually want to ram people with these stickers on just because they have them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #45 November 13, 2006 Here's something that happened to me the other night. I was driving down a dark country road, coming back from the dz. Another vehicle got right up behind me so close that the shadow of my truck was cast back into my headlight beams, virtually making the first 50' in front of the truck completely black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #46 November 13, 2006 Quote i hate every fucker who has a "child on board" sticker in their car, or the even worse one "tiny person on board" is it being driven by a fucking dwarf or something? Do you hate the person or the sticker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cloudburst 0 #47 November 13, 2006 Quote Quote i hate every fucker who has a "child on board" sticker in their car, or the even worse one "tiny person on board" is it being driven by a fucking dwarf or something? Do you hate the person or the sticker? both Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #48 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteAre you saying that one lane (with passing ability) can move more traffic than two lanes? If so, I strongly disagree. I am racking my brain trying to work out how you came up with that out of what I wrote. I would disagree with that statement, too. It's ludicrous. Because you said: QuoteTraffic flows better if the car isn't in the overtaking lane in the first place. Which implies you think using one less than the maximum available lanes is the most efficient manner in which to move traffic. I disagree. I think the left lane should be used by faster moving traffic. I further believe that the faster car should be given the right of way in the left lane. That caveat means that the slow car would have to yield, and get out of the left lane so that a faster car can pass. If someone is driving faster than most of the other cars on the road, there is no need for that driver to weave in and out of the fast lane every time he passes a car. To do so is a waste of time, fuel, and tire life. That driver (any driver) should be aware enough to know the state of traffic around them. QuoteIf there are two cars - my car and the one in front of me, both overtaking a third car. If the front car happens to be travelling slower than me and doesn't pull over as soon as it is safe to do so, I have to wait additional time for there to be additional clearance for me to move right and go around the slower car. If the front car pulled over as soon as it was finished overtaking, I would not have to wait that additional time, thereby allowing better traffic flow. If the fast car has the right of way, you won't get nearly as many slower drivers in front of you in the left lane. Giving the fast car the right of way in the fast lane fixes that problem. Sometimes, the gaps that appear in the right lane are not large enough for me to wait for clearance, move right, accelerate and be in front with enough clearance to move back into the overtaking lane, but such a gap may be plenty big enough for the slower car in front of me to move right and yield since we don't need the additional space for clearance at either end of the maneauvre. I've done this countless times to yield the overtaking lane to faster vehicles behind me without needing to slow down myself at all. This also contributes to better traffic flow. Both of these are examples of moving to the right lane when you have no need to be in the overtaking lane. If you are not one of he fastest cars in traffic, you should stay right, and yield the right of way in the fast lane to faster cars. QuoteQuoteThere is a reason there is a rear view mirror at the upper center of the windshield. It is so you can maintain awareness behind you without losing awareness to the front. If you go more than 5 seconds without scanning your rear view mirror, you are probably not very aware of the traffic around you. Whatever you choose to believe about rear-view mirrors, it has happened countless times that I have been waiting behind a car for minutes, and when we finally do get clear, they don't move over. I'm fairly sure that you're not as aware of what's going on behind you on the highway as you think you are. You're human like the rest of us. Yes, I am that aware. I scan my mirrors very often. I like to know where everyone is, and if anyone is in my blind spots. QuoteQuoteThere are times it is advantageous to drive in the fast/passing lane if you maintain awareness and do not cause faster moving cars to have to slow down or pass on the right. Strongly disagree. If you're not overtaking somebody, get out of the lane. The drivers guide in both countries in which I have taken driving tests agree with me on that. Again, if one is driving faster than the majority of other traffic, there is no harm in staying in the fast lane, provided one maintains awareness and yield to faster traffic coming from behind. QuoteQuoteWhy would you change lanes and get into the path of a faster moving vehicle? If you do that, why bother checking the mirrors at all? I don't. That is why I check my mirrors. When I initiate an overtaking maneauvre on a moderately busy highway, there may be a group of 6 or more cars in front of me. There may be cars behind me. There may be other cars in the overtaking lane in front of me travelling slower than me. They are overtaking, and therefore have every right to be there, but I will have to wait behind them because they are slower than me. The faster car behind me may not be in the overtaking lane yet - maybe he/she has slipped up the right hand lane to get around other inconsiderate drivers who couldn't figure out when they had completed their overtaking maneauvre. Do I need to go on? You won't always be able to see this person coming when you pull out to overtake, and if you think you will, then you're kidding yourself. If you keep right unless overtaking, then you will be out of the way of faster traffic coming from behind whenever possible and when it's not possible, you'll be yielding the lane to them as soon as it does become possible. This is true, but it is also not the most efficient use of the roadway available. Give the fast person the right of way in the fast lane, and slower traffic is also out of your way when you want to pass someone in the slow lane. If you want to pass and there is faster traffic coming from behind, the safest and most considerate thing to do is to accelerate (faster or slower) so that your speed matches the traffic in one lane or the other.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #32 November 12, 2006 My pet peeve is people who think there is such a thing as the fast lane. There's no such fucking thing! It's the over-fucking-taking lane, goddamnit! I don't give a fuck how fast you think you're going, if you're not overtaking someone, you don't belong there. Stop telling yourself it's the fast lane, and maybe you'll start driving like someone who has to share the road. You can be the idiot doing 150km/h and think you're really cool, but to the even bigger idiot doing 160, you're just a pain in the arse! And no, that car waaaaaaay up ahead there is not a good excuse to stay in the overtaking lane and chill. My second biggest peeve is the idiot who wants to do 150 who tailgates like fuck because he/she can't wait until I finish overtaking. Get over it. I'll move over once this car next to me is no longer next to me. You're doing 20-50km/h more than almost everyone else here, Fangio, you've got to expect to hit some back-markers, so just chill, ok. There'll be a passing opportunity at the next hairpin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 November 12, 2006 Can you describe something that really ticks you off? This was pretty deadpan. I think anyone that loses their temper on the road should just.....walk. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #34 November 12, 2006 QuoteMy pet peeve is people who think there is such a thing as the fast lane. There's no such fucking thing! It's the over-fucking-taking lane, goddamnit! I don't give a fuck how fast you think you're going, if you're not overtaking someone, you don't belong there. Stop telling yourself it's the fast lane, and maybe you'll start driving like someone who has to share the road. You can be the idiot doing 150km/h and think you're really cool, but to the even bigger idiot doing 160, you're just a pain in the arse! And no, that car waaaaaaay up ahead there is not a good excuse to stay in the overtaking lane and chill. If you give the fast car the right of way in the left lane, it forces the driver to the right when someone is trying to overtake pass. QuoteMy second biggest peeve is the idiot who wants to do 150 who tailgates like fuck because he/she can't wait until I finish overtaking. Get over it. I'll move over once this car next to me is no longer next to me. You're doing 20-50km/h more than almost everyone else here, Fangio, you've got to expect to hit some back-markers, so just chill, ok. There'll be a passing opportunity at the next hairpin. If you (generally speaking) are in the passing lane when someone behind you is trying to go faster, it is you who contributes most to the problem.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #35 November 12, 2006 QuoteI think _any_ headlight is annoying, even unsafe, when aimed poorly. Around here, we often see pickup trucks that have been in fender-benders with their front grilles bent so one headlight is shining upwards at a 20 degree angle and the other one is shining off to the right somewhere. But when everything's working right, I find HID lights to be less blinding when the car is behind me or approaching me. First, I obviously wouldn't have a complaint if there wasn't something wrong with them. Most people don't have a clue about aiming headlights. Do it in the dark with about a 50 yd, target. The passenger side should aim straight ahead, and the driver side should aim toward the center of the driver's lane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #36 November 12, 2006 QuoteThere'll be a passing opportunity at the next hairpin. Thanks for the laugh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #37 November 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think _any_ headlight is annoying, even unsafe, when aimed poorly. Around here, we often see pickup trucks that have been in fender-benders with their front grilles bent so one headlight is shining upwards at a 20 degree angle and the other one is shining off to the right somewhere. But when everything's working right, I find HID lights to be less blinding when the car is behind me or approaching me. First, I obviously wouldn't have a complaint if there wasn't something wrong with them. I agree (with Royd). Bells and whistles be damned; it was a fix for something that wasn't broken. Oncoming silver/blue headlights have the same effect on me as someone with their high beams on. Absolutely blinding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #38 November 12, 2006 QuoteIf you give the fast car the right of way in the left lane, it forces the driver to the right when someone is trying to overtake pass. Traffic flows better if the car isn't in the overtaking lane in the first place. People don't drive down the road staring into their mirrors. It often happens that by the time someone realizes that I'm there and going faster than them, I've already had ample time to move right, and overtake them there. Basically, if you're not overtaking, get out of the lane. QuoteIf you (generally speaking) are in the passing lane when someone behind you is trying to go faster, it is you who contributes most to the problem. I believe that everyone has as much right to use the road as anyone else. If I'm doing 130 and I come upon a group of cars doing 120, I am quite within my rights to check my mirrors and blind spot before moving left and overtaking them. If while I am in the middle of overtaking them, someone who wants to do 150 happens to come along, what would you have me do? I drive my own drive. I'm not going to speed up because someone is tailgating me. I'm also not going to attempt to move right until I have adequate space to do so, but as soon as such an opportunity is there, I do move left. I get stuck behind slower traffic at times, too, but when I do, I don't tailgate. It's a dangerous and unnecessary practice. The only time that it bugs me is when they're not using the lane to overtake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #39 November 12, 2006 QuoteTraffic flows better if the car isn't in the overtaking lane in the first place. People don't drive down the road staring into their mirrors. It often happens that by the time someone realizes that I'm there and going faster than them, I've already had ample time to move right, and overtake them there. Basically, if you're not overtaking, get out of the lane. Are you saying that one lane (with passing ability) can move more traffic than two lanes? If so, I strongly disagree. There is a reason there is a rear view mirror at the upper center of the windshield. It is so you can maintain awareness behind you without losing awareness to the front. If you go more than 5 seconds without scanning your rear view mirror, you are probably not very aware of the traffic around you. There are times it is advantageous to drive in the fast/passing lane if you maintain awareness and do not cause faster moving cars to have to slow down or pass on the right. QuoteI believe that everyone has as much right to use the road as anyone else. If I'm doing 130 and I come upon a group of cars doing 120, I am quite within my rights to check my mirrors and blind spot before moving left and overtaking them. If while I am in the middle of overtaking them, someone who wants to do 150 happens to come along, what would you have me do? I drive my own drive. I'm not going to speed up because someone is tailgating me. I'm also not going to attempt to move right until I have adequate space to do so, but as soon as such an opportunity is there, I do move left. I get stuck behind slower traffic at times, too, but when I do, I don't tailgate. It's a dangerous and unnecessary practice. The only time that it bugs me is when they're not using the lane to overtake. Why would you change lanes and get into the path of a faster moving vehicle? If you do that, why bother checking the mirrors at all? In order to maximize the amount of traffic any given road can handle, faster moving cars should be allowed to pass. Someone doing 60 mph passing a car doing 55 mph should not do so if it means they will cause a car doing 65 mph to have to slow and wait on them. Giving the fast car the right away in the fast/passing lane eliminates such problems.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #40 November 12, 2006 that all may be true, however, it doesn't mean that it's OK for the antsy driver to tailgate. Tailgating at high speeds shows a complete ignorance of physics. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #41 November 12, 2006 Too true. - Tail-gaters are arseholes, without exception. "Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule" (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #42 November 12, 2006 Quotethat all may be true, however, it doesn't mean that it's OK for the antsy driver to tailgate. Tailgating at high speeds shows a complete ignorance of physics. I'm not defending tailgating. To be honest, it pisses me off when people change lanes into my 2-3 seconds of space. However, if I'm passing a car moving much slower than me, I don't feel a need to wait until I have 3 seconds worth of distance to get back over. Since I'm moving faster, the space between me and the car I just passed will take care of itself.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brettski74 0 #43 November 13, 2006 QuoteAre you saying that one lane (with passing ability) can move more traffic than two lanes? If so, I strongly disagree. I am racking my brain trying to work out how you came up with that out of what I wrote. I would disagree with that statement, too. It's ludicrous. If there are two cars - my car and the one in front of me, both overtaking a third car. If the front car happens to be travelling slower than me and doesn't pull over as soon as it is safe to do so, I have to wait additional time for there to be additional clearance for me to move right and go around the slower car. If the front car pulled over as soon as it was finished overtaking, I would not have to wait that additional time, thereby allowing better traffic flow. Sometimes, the gaps that appear in the right lane are not large enough for me to wait for clearance, move right, accelerate and be in front with enough clearance to move back into the overtaking lane, but such a gap may be plenty big enough for the slower car in front of me to move right and yield since we don't need the additional space for clearance at either end of the maneauvre. I've done this countless times to yield the overtaking lane to faster vehicles behind me without needing to slow down myself at all. This also contributes to better traffic flow. Both of these are examples of moving to the right lane when you have no need to be in the overtaking lane. QuoteThere is a reason there is a rear view mirror at the upper center of the windshield. It is so you can maintain awareness behind you without losing awareness to the front. If you go more than 5 seconds without scanning your rear view mirror, you are probably not very aware of the traffic around you. Whatever you choose to believe about rear-view mirrors, it has happened countless times that I have been waiting behind a car for minutes, and when we finally do get clear, they don't move over. I'm fairly sure that you're not as aware of what's going on behind you on the highway as you think you are. You're human like the rest of us. QuoteThere are times it is advantageous to drive in the fast/passing lane if you maintain awareness and do not cause faster moving cars to have to slow down or pass on the right. Strongly disagree. If you're not overtaking somebody, get out of the lane. The drivers guide in both countries in which I have taken driving tests agree with me on that. QuoteWhy would you change lanes and get into the path of a faster moving vehicle? If you do that, why bother checking the mirrors at all? I don't. That is why I check my mirrors. When I initiate an overtaking maneauvre on a moderately busy highway, there may be a group of 6 or more cars in front of me. There may be cars behind me. There may be other cars in the overtaking lane in front of me travelling slower than me. They are overtaking, and therefore have every right to be there, but I will have to wait behind them because they are slower than me. The faster car behind me may not be in the overtaking lane yet - maybe he/she has slipped up the right hand lane to get around other inconsiderate drivers who couldn't figure out when they had completed their overtaking maneauvre. Do I need to go on? You won't always be able to see this person coming when you pull out to overtake, and if you think you will, then you're kidding yourself. If you keep right unless overtaking, then you will be out of the way of faster traffic coming from behind whenever possible and when it's not possible, you'll be yielding the lane to them as soon as it does become possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudburst 0 #44 November 13, 2006 i hate every fucker who has a "child on board" sticker in their car, or the even worse one "tiny person on board" is it being driven by a fucking dwarf or something? i couldn't give a flying fuck if they have a child on board 9 times out of 10, they just want to shout to the world that they have managed to reproduce and think people will be impressed by that, i'm not, so shut the fuck up CUNT i actually want to ram people with these stickers on just because they have them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #45 November 13, 2006 Here's something that happened to me the other night. I was driving down a dark country road, coming back from the dz. Another vehicle got right up behind me so close that the shadow of my truck was cast back into my headlight beams, virtually making the first 50' in front of the truck completely black. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #46 November 13, 2006 Quote i hate every fucker who has a "child on board" sticker in their car, or the even worse one "tiny person on board" is it being driven by a fucking dwarf or something? Do you hate the person or the sticker? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cloudburst 0 #47 November 13, 2006 Quote Quote i hate every fucker who has a "child on board" sticker in their car, or the even worse one "tiny person on board" is it being driven by a fucking dwarf or something? Do you hate the person or the sticker? both Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #48 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteAre you saying that one lane (with passing ability) can move more traffic than two lanes? If so, I strongly disagree. I am racking my brain trying to work out how you came up with that out of what I wrote. I would disagree with that statement, too. It's ludicrous. Because you said: QuoteTraffic flows better if the car isn't in the overtaking lane in the first place. Which implies you think using one less than the maximum available lanes is the most efficient manner in which to move traffic. I disagree. I think the left lane should be used by faster moving traffic. I further believe that the faster car should be given the right of way in the left lane. That caveat means that the slow car would have to yield, and get out of the left lane so that a faster car can pass. If someone is driving faster than most of the other cars on the road, there is no need for that driver to weave in and out of the fast lane every time he passes a car. To do so is a waste of time, fuel, and tire life. That driver (any driver) should be aware enough to know the state of traffic around them. QuoteIf there are two cars - my car and the one in front of me, both overtaking a third car. If the front car happens to be travelling slower than me and doesn't pull over as soon as it is safe to do so, I have to wait additional time for there to be additional clearance for me to move right and go around the slower car. If the front car pulled over as soon as it was finished overtaking, I would not have to wait that additional time, thereby allowing better traffic flow. If the fast car has the right of way, you won't get nearly as many slower drivers in front of you in the left lane. Giving the fast car the right of way in the fast lane fixes that problem. Sometimes, the gaps that appear in the right lane are not large enough for me to wait for clearance, move right, accelerate and be in front with enough clearance to move back into the overtaking lane, but such a gap may be plenty big enough for the slower car in front of me to move right and yield since we don't need the additional space for clearance at either end of the maneauvre. I've done this countless times to yield the overtaking lane to faster vehicles behind me without needing to slow down myself at all. This also contributes to better traffic flow. Both of these are examples of moving to the right lane when you have no need to be in the overtaking lane. If you are not one of he fastest cars in traffic, you should stay right, and yield the right of way in the fast lane to faster cars. QuoteQuoteThere is a reason there is a rear view mirror at the upper center of the windshield. It is so you can maintain awareness behind you without losing awareness to the front. If you go more than 5 seconds without scanning your rear view mirror, you are probably not very aware of the traffic around you. Whatever you choose to believe about rear-view mirrors, it has happened countless times that I have been waiting behind a car for minutes, and when we finally do get clear, they don't move over. I'm fairly sure that you're not as aware of what's going on behind you on the highway as you think you are. You're human like the rest of us. Yes, I am that aware. I scan my mirrors very often. I like to know where everyone is, and if anyone is in my blind spots. QuoteQuoteThere are times it is advantageous to drive in the fast/passing lane if you maintain awareness and do not cause faster moving cars to have to slow down or pass on the right. Strongly disagree. If you're not overtaking somebody, get out of the lane. The drivers guide in both countries in which I have taken driving tests agree with me on that. Again, if one is driving faster than the majority of other traffic, there is no harm in staying in the fast lane, provided one maintains awareness and yield to faster traffic coming from behind. QuoteQuoteWhy would you change lanes and get into the path of a faster moving vehicle? If you do that, why bother checking the mirrors at all? I don't. That is why I check my mirrors. When I initiate an overtaking maneauvre on a moderately busy highway, there may be a group of 6 or more cars in front of me. There may be cars behind me. There may be other cars in the overtaking lane in front of me travelling slower than me. They are overtaking, and therefore have every right to be there, but I will have to wait behind them because they are slower than me. The faster car behind me may not be in the overtaking lane yet - maybe he/she has slipped up the right hand lane to get around other inconsiderate drivers who couldn't figure out when they had completed their overtaking maneauvre. Do I need to go on? You won't always be able to see this person coming when you pull out to overtake, and if you think you will, then you're kidding yourself. If you keep right unless overtaking, then you will be out of the way of faster traffic coming from behind whenever possible and when it's not possible, you'll be yielding the lane to them as soon as it does become possible. This is true, but it is also not the most efficient use of the roadway available. Give the fast person the right of way in the fast lane, and slower traffic is also out of your way when you want to pass someone in the slow lane. If you want to pass and there is faster traffic coming from behind, the safest and most considerate thing to do is to accelerate (faster or slower) so that your speed matches the traffic in one lane or the other.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #49 November 13, 2006 My #1 road rage inducer: People who slow down (or GOD FORBID you should actually STOP) on an interstate on-ramp. (This is, of course, excluding the super-fucked-up construction area onramps where you're actually forced to stop) The whole point of the process is to MERGE. This will happen much more efficiently when the difference between your speed and that of traffic is minimized. Ergo, STEP ON IT. You can make the adjustments you need to get in front or behind a car by varying the amount of acceleration or at worst coasting for a bit. Elvisio "seeing red, and I don't mean blood on the highway" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #50 November 13, 2006 People entering an interstate highway and 'expect' the flow of traffic to yield to THEM! It's the other way around! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
