Republicans look to Reagan era for inspiration

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/pl_nm/usa_elections_congress_republicans_dc_1

That's when the whole mess started, why do that? Then they write:

"We are in the wilderness because we walked away from the limited government principles that minted the Republican Congress," Rep. Mike Pence (news, bio, voting record) wrote to colleagues after Democrats seized control of the House of Representatives and the Senate in this week's elections.


Spare me, the big gov spending we now have was blueprinted by Regan. How is this current economic scheme different than Reganomics? Cut taxes for the rich, cut social spending and increase spending to corps hoping they will employ people.... simpe supply side / trickle-down economics; what is so unique or different?

I know what they're saying, they're saying to go back the grandpa era, where our leader looks like the grandpa we never had instead of this criminla we now have, damned the issues. Many Dems, even Cali Dems bought into the Grandpa Ronnie BS, ignoring the fiscal nighmare he gave birth to.

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Try to see it as an investment.

Its a great investment for those who are doing the trickling on others.

But some people like those sorts of things.

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A return to a Reagan style government would be a nightmare and would do nothing for the common man and everything for the richest of the rich all the while adding to the national debt. They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

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Try to see it as an investment.

Its a great investment for those who are doing the trickling on others.

But some people like those sorts of things.

Yep, like the people who benefited from the "Peace Dividend" of the 1990's. You know, like the ones who give Clinton all the credit.

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They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

Or, more appropriately, they should look at what a Dem POTUS with a then-principled Republican Congress could do.

Remember the era of government shutdowns? I do. "Government gridlock" was the talking point. And check out the benefits! It seemed that the 90's was a great time! Like it or not, Clinton was treated as a lame duck from late 94 until he was reelected in 96. But, I digress.

Reagan did fine because he has a Democratic Congress checking him and vice versa. A prime example is the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was spurred on by Reagan, Dem Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski (whose indictment on corruption charges in 1994 also helped with the 1994 Republican landslide) and officially sponsored in the Senate by liberals Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley.

It lowered the top income tax rate from 50% to 28%and raised the lowest tax from 11% to 15%. It also got rid of tax shelters. Yeah, it certainly caused a short-term shock on the economy (S&L crisis, anyone?) but long-term, did some great things.

Now, it seems to me that this trickle-down economics that so many here despise should be placed solely on the shoulders of the liberal Democratic elite. They sponsored it and passed it.

Frankly, the Reagan Era is a GREAT time to look at what bipartisan cooperation can do. I think it's a great example of what even a liberal dem Congress can do with a Coservative Republican POTUS.

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Reagan era? I'm sorry, I can't recall that.

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A return to a Reagan style government would be a nightmare and would do nothing for the common man and everything for the richest of the rich all the while adding to the national debt. They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

That's my point, we don't need to return to it, we are in it. Name the differences to what we now have and what we had under Reagan.

I think what they're saying is that we had that Norman Rockwellian feeling under Reagan, which was a smokescreen to the reality of the debt slammers and rich panderers.

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Reagan era? I'm sorry, I can't recall that.

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They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

Or, more appropriately, they should look at what a Dem POTUS with a then-principled Republican Congress could do.

Remember the era of government shutdowns? I do. "Government gridlock" was the talking point. And check out the benefits! It seemed that the 90's was a great time! Like it or not, Clinton was treated as a lame duck from late 94 until he was reelected in 96. But, I digress.

Reagan did fine because he has a Democratic Congress checking him and vice versa. A prime example is the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was spurred on by Reagan, Dem Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski (whose indictment on corruption charges in 1994 also helped with the 1994 Republican landslide) and officially sponsored in the Senate by liberals Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley.

It lowered the top income tax rate from 50% to 28%and raised the lowest tax from 11% to 15%. It also got rid of tax shelters. Yeah, it certainly caused a short-term shock on the economy (S&L crisis, anyone?) but long-term, did some great things.

Now, it seems to me that this trickle-down economics that so many here despise should be placed solely on the shoulders of the liberal Democratic elite. They sponsored it and passed it.

Frankly, the Reagan Era is a GREAT time to look at what bipartisan cooperation can do. I think it's a great example of what even a liberal dem Congress can do with a Coservative Republican POTUS.

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Or, more appropriately, they should look at what a Dem POTUS with a then-principled Republican Congress could do.

True, but remember, his first 2 years were with a Dem Congress too, right? He enacted his 1993 Omnibus Spending Bill then which included tax increases for the rich, I think this laid the groundwork for his fiscal success.

Also, I do agree to a point, as they got thru the Ergonomics Bill, which Bush struck down, and the Arsenic changes and many other good things with that Congress.

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Like it or not, Clinton was treated as a lame duck from late 94 until he was reelected in 96. But, I digress.

Perhaps partially true, but based upon this Repub sweep of gov and the outcome, sometimes less (less accompolished) is more. We have only seen 2 years of a Dem sweep,and it ws fantastic, so let's see a Dem sweep again b4 we count it out.

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Reagan did fine because he has a Democratic Congress checking him and vice versa. A prime example is the Tax Reform Act of 1986, which was spurred on by Reagan, Dem Ways and Means Chairman Dan Rostenkowski (whose indictment on corruption charges in 1994 also helped with the 1994 Republican landslide) and officially sponsored in the Senate by liberals Richard Gephardt and Bill Bradley.

How can you say that when the debt rose trillions under him? Having a new car, boat and house are hollow victories when you go bankrupt 3 years later.

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Yeah, it certainly caused a short-term shock on the economy (S&L crisis, anyone?) but long-term, did some great things.

How do you tie that together - S&L crash to taxes? Could it be guys like Gov Mecham who crashed Lincoln S&L and was criminally indicted?

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Now, it seems to me that this trickle-down economics that so many here despise should be placed solely on the shoulders of the liberal Democratic elite. They sponsored it and passed it.

Naw, the CIC has the pen to strike it down, so he has the proverbial fuzzy nuts. Unless Congress votes to override him I disagree

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Frankly, the Reagan Era is a GREAT time to look at what bipartisan cooperation can do. I think it's a great example of what even a liberal dem Congress can do with a Coservative Republican POTUS.

How on Dog's green earth can you say that when the debt rose trillions? It was tripple as to when he inherited it. It was the tax cuts.

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It was the tax cuts.

Or over spending! Cut out the bullshit programs that the country is full of and tax cuts are not a problem. To bad everybody thinks the government owes them something at the cost of someone else.

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It was the tax cuts.

Or over spending! Cut out the bullshit programs that the country is full of and tax cuts are not a problem. To bad everybody thinks the government owes them something at the cost of someone else.

Funny how we have fewer social programs or at least they are less funded and we still have too many. At least oteh countries can rest at peace knowing we not only imperialize their country, but we deprive our own..... they don't have to take it personally when we invade their country as if they're singled out.

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You really should examine the budget sometime.

Your quasi-Socratic method here is hapless.

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A return to a Reagan style government would be a nightmare and would do nothing for the common man and everything for the richest of the rich all the while adding to the national debt. They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

I was making good (decent) money as a const. worker in my early yrs. Then came RR. The bottom dropped out. Took me yrs. to recover. So much for the little guy that works his ass off.

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A return to a Reagan style government would be a nightmare and would do nothing for the common man and everything for the richest of the rich all the while adding to the national debt. They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

I was making good (decent) money as a const. worker in my early yrs. Then came RR. The bottom dropped out. Took me yrs. to recover. So much for the little guy that works his ass off.

Well, that's the "trickle" part in Trickle Down Economics.

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A return to a Reagan style government would be a nightmare and would do nothing for the common man and everything for the richest of the rich all the while adding to the national debt. They should look at what Clinton did to make government actually work.

I was making good (decent) money as a const. worker in my early yrs. Then came RR. The bottom dropped out. Took me yrs. to recover. So much for the little guy that works his ass off.

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I imagine you were, if you were in the union...

Sure does help the owners of the construction company to bust the unions up though... They can make far more profits when they hire the illegal aliens to do the same work.

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I imagine you were, if you were in the union...

Sure does help the owners of the construction company to bust the unions up though... They can make far more profits when they hire the illegal aliens to do the same work.

Even if they don't do that what they do is to get the guys to work against each other so if they want to single one guy out they can. I can't believe the idiocy of the blue-collar man for allowing this. This is who I'm really sharp with, as I can't blame the business man for trying to save a buck.

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Look to Reagan for inspiration ?

I guess we'll see the congressional republicans soiling themselves and talking to their lamp stands soon then.

Ba-dum tish.

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Look to Reagan for inspiration ?

I guess we'll see the congressional republicans soiling themselves and talking to their lamp stands soon then.

Ba-dum tish.

Yea, my sentiments exactly. They're refering to how the public was duped by Grandpa Ronnie and ignored the damage he did to this country. Hell, he signed the act to give illegal aliens amnesty, then the neo-cons slam every Dem who steps forward with that idea as they "forget" (a Ronnie tradition) what Ronnie did.

Politicians are remembered not for what they do, but for how many babies they kiss, and Reagan is emblematic of that. "He was a descent man, just look at him." Not: He started this runaway spending that has led us from 1T to 8.6 T debt. I guess techincal things like budgets and debt are overshadowed by looking Norman Rockwellian.

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Look to Reagan for inspiration ?

I guess we'll see the congressional republicans soiling themselves and talking to their lamp stands soon then.

Ba-dum tish.

Yea, my sentiments exactly. They're refering to how the public was duped by Grandpa Ronnie and ignored the damage he did to this country. Hell, he signed the act to give illegal aliens amnesty, then the neo-cons slam every Dem who steps forward with that idea as they "forget" (a Ronnie tradition) what Ronnie did.

Politicians are remembered not for what they do, but for how many babies they kiss, and Reagan is emblematic of that. "He was a descent man, just look at him." Not: He started this runaway spending that has led us from 1T to 8.6 T debt. I guess techincal things like budgets and debt are overshadowed by looking Norman Rockwellian.

You may just want to read the actual bill, and not get your info from DU... the Immigration Reform Act wasn't an amnesty.

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Look to Reagan for inspiration ?

I guess we'll see the congressional republicans soiling themselves and talking to their lamp stands soon then.

Ba-dum tish.

Yea, my sentiments exactly. They're refering to how the public was duped by Grandpa Ronnie and ignored the damage he did to this country. Hell, he signed the act to give illegal aliens amnesty, then the neo-cons slam every Dem who steps forward with that idea as they "forget" (a Ronnie tradition) what Ronnie did.

Politicians are remembered not for what they do, but for how many babies they kiss, and Reagan is emblematic of that. "He was a descent man, just look at him." Not: He started this runaway spending that has led us from 1T to 8.6 T debt. I guess techincal things like budgets and debt are overshadowed by looking Norman Rockwellian.

You may just want to read the actual bill, and not get your info from DU... the Immigration Reform Act wasn't an amnesty.

I haven't read it, but I do believe it was some sort of amnesty. Why don't you briefly explain what it did.

No comment about the all-inspiring Reaganomics? I think we all know this was the downside of his presidency.

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Look to Reagan for inspiration ?

I guess we'll see the congressional republicans soiling themselves and talking to their lamp stands soon then.

Ba-dum tish.

Yea, my sentiments exactly. They're refering to how the public was duped by Grandpa Ronnie and ignored the damage he did to this country. Hell, he signed the act to give illegal aliens amnesty, then the neo-cons slam every Dem who steps forward with that idea as they "forget" (a Ronnie tradition) what Ronnie did.

Politicians are remembered not for what they do, but for how many babies they kiss, and Reagan is emblematic of that. "He was a descent man, just look at him." Not: He started this runaway spending that has led us from 1T to 8.6 T debt. I guess techincal things like budgets and debt are overshadowed by looking Norman Rockwellian.

You may just want to read the actual bill, and not get your info from DU... the Immigration Reform Act wasn't an amnesty.

I haven't read it, but I do believe it was some sort of amnesty. Why don't you briefly explain what it did.

No comment about the all-inspiring Reaganomics? I think we all know this was the downside of his presidency.

Since you were the one talking smack and trying to pass it off as fact, why don't YOU look it up? Google is your friend...you should visit it more often, in fact.

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Look to Reagan for inspiration ?

I guess we'll see the congressional republicans soiling themselves and talking to their lamp stands soon then.

Ba-dum tish.

Yea, my sentiments exactly. They're refering to how the public was duped by Grandpa Ronnie and ignored the damage he did to this country. Hell, he signed the act to give illegal aliens amnesty, then the neo-cons slam every Dem who steps forward with that idea as they "forget" (a Ronnie tradition) what Ronnie did.

Politicians are remembered not for what they do, but for how many babies they kiss, and Reagan is emblematic of that. "He was a descent man, just look at him." Not: He started this runaway spending that has led us from 1T to 8.6 T debt. I guess techincal things like budgets and debt are overshadowed by looking Norman Rockwellian.

You may just want to read the actual bill, and not get your info from DU... the Immigration Reform Act wasn't an amnesty.

I haven't read it, but I do believe it was some sort of amnesty. Why don't you briefly explain what it did.

No comment about the all-inspiring Reaganomics? I think we all know this was the downside of his presidency.

Since you were the one talking smack and trying to pass it off as fact, why don't YOU look it up? Google is your friend...you should visit it more often, in fact.

I will, as usual I have to make your claims, which usually end up being a point for me, or you would go ahead and make it.

I believe it stated that if an illegal were here for X amiunt of time, established themselves, then they had amnesty and could start the immigration process. That's amnesty. Not some, 'if you're on this side of the fence you're an automatic citizen,' that's not a real form of amnsesty, but I imagine you think I'm stating that's what Reagan did.

Again, no love for Reaganomics? HMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm....I can't understand why the avoidance...