kallend 2,148 #1 November 10, 2006 Don't spend what you don't have. Don't expect others to subsidize you (individuals AND businesses) Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Don't listen in on my phone calls or internet usage unless you have a court order for probable cause. Don't try to tell me what I may or may not read or look at. Don't force your religion down my (or my childrens') throat. Don't say one thing and then do the opposite. Don't interfere with supply and demand, it doesn't solve problems, it only defers them. Don't tell me what kind of car to drive. Since oil supply and pollution are problems (and they truly are) let the market deal with it by properly allocating costs of dealing with those problems to the price of fuel. Stop social engineering in schools. K - 12 is not enough time for a good education anyway, without adding all that crap. A well educated workforce is necessary to the nation's "general welfare". Education should be properly funded nation wide and not left to the vagaries of local funding. We can't afford to lose the next potential Einstein because she happens to be living in a Detroit ghetto. Taxes are the dues you pay to belong to a developed nation. Don't whine about them. Illegal aliens ARE a problem. Reduce the demand and the supply will dry up, and it will be cheaper than building a fence. Eliminate traffic lights. I don't need a government robot to tell me how to deal with an intersection.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #2 November 10, 2006 Stop social engineering in schools. K - 12 is not enough time for a good education anyway, without adding all that crap. A well educated workforce is necessary to the nation's "general welfare". Education should be properly funded nation wide and not left to the vagaries of local funding.Quote We can't afford to lose the next potential Einstein because she happens to be living in a Detroit ghetto. Isn't manipulating the natural ebb and flow of society, and the repercussions of poor choices, social engineering? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #3 November 10, 2006 Don't sell me democracy as a synonym to freedom. It's not. By assimilating both concept, you belittle both of them. Don't sell the pursuit of happiness as an end to someone who is fighting for survival. Don't tell me China is the new enemy. By doing so, not only do you have it all wrong, you've already lost "your" war. But above all, I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, yada yada yada... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 November 10, 2006 Quote Scarey you and I beleive much of the same. We do think there are different ways to get there maybe. Thanks for this post. I understand you a little better. My differences are in with your lines Don't spend what you don't have. Quote Agreed Don't expect others to subsidize you (individuals AND businesses) Agreed Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Quote To a point I agree. If you are going to mess yourself up so bad you need to be cared for have family lined up to do it. Don't expect my tax money in programs to do it. Don't listen in on my phone calls or internet usage unless you have a court order for probable cause. Agreed, unless you are talking to a known terroris or enemy of the state. Then all bets are off Don't try to tell me what I may or may not read or look at.Quote Agreed (uless it is childrens porn) Don't force your religion down my (or my childrens') throat. As long as you don't force yours (which may be no religion at all) down mine. Don't say one thing and then do the opposite. Quote Agreed Don't interfere with supply and demand, it doesn't solve problems, it only defers them. Agreed Don't tell me what kind of car to drive. Since oil supply and pollution are problems (and they truly are) let the market deal with it by properly allocating costs of dealing with those problems to the price of fuel. Quote And let us drill where the oil is. No need to restrict supply if it is acutally there. Stop social engineering in schools. K - 12 is not enough time for a good education anyway, without adding all that crap. Agreed, including environmental brain washing A well educated workforce is necessary to the nation's "general welfare". Education should be properly funded nation wide and not left to the vagaries of local funding. We can't afford to lose the next potential Einstein because she happens to be living in a Detroit ghetto. Quote I see your point but when control was more local years ago the education level was much much higher. Local control and parents choice is essential for world class education Taxes are the dues you pay to belong to a developed nation. Don't whine about them. Taxes are a necessary evil. They should be collected under the law and with proper representation. Nor should taxes be a transfer of welth or be of a conficatory nature. The priviate sector can do much better with the money so keep governement as small as possible. Illegal aliens ARE a problem. Reduce the demand and the supply will dry up, and it will be cheaper than building a fence.Quote What ever it takes. We got to start somewhere Eliminate traffic lights. I don't need a government robot to tell me how to deal with an intersection. Now who's whining"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #5 November 10, 2006 QuoteStop social engineering in schools. K - 12 is not enough time for a good education anyway, without adding all that crap. A well educated workforce is necessary to the nation's "general welfare". Education should be properly funded nation wide and not left to the vagaries of local funding.Quote We can't afford to lose the next potential Einstein because she happens to be living in a Detroit ghetto. Isn't manipulating the natural ebb and flow of society, and the repercussions of poor choices, social engineering? What poor choice has a child made that led her to be living in a Detroit ghetto?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #6 November 10, 2006 Don Williams said it best. I don't believe in superstars, Organic food and foreign cars. I don't believe the price of gold; The certainty of growing old. That right is right and left is wrong, That north and south can't get along. That east is east and west is west. And being first is always best. But I believe in love. I believe in babies. I believe in Mom and Dad. And I believe in you. Well, I don't believe that heaven waits, For only those who congregate. I like to think of God as love: He's down below, He's up above. He's watching people everywhere. He knows who does and doesn't care. And I'm an ordinary man, Sometimes I wonder who I am. But I believe in love. I believe in music. I believe in magic. And I believe in you. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #7 November 10, 2006 Quote Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Quote To a point I agree. If you are going to mess yourself up so bad you need to be cared for have family lined up to do it. Don't expect my tax money in programs to do it. This is exactly why I think drugs should be legalized. Right now, we aren't taking advantage of the black market, and we're still footing the bill for treatment. Get rid of the laws that make drugs illegal "for our own good" and tax the hell out of them. They'll still be cheaper than what the dealer on the corner sells them for, and then we've increased our tax revenue to provide for the treatment of the junkies. They've then paid for it themselves, taking little to no money out of our pockets. I believe most taxes should be directly applied to fixing what the taxed item damages. Make the people doing the damage pay to fix it. Examples: Cigarette tax: addiction treatment, medical care, lung cancer research Gas tax: anti-pollution measures, green power, fixing roads, research on better fuel efficient vehicles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #8 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuote Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Quote To a point I agree. If you are going to mess yourself up so bad you need to be cared for have family lined up to do it. Don't expect my tax money in programs to do it. This is exactly why I think drugs should be legalized. Right now, we aren't taking advantage of the black market, and we're still footing the bill for treatment. Get rid of the laws that make drugs illegal "for our own good" and tax the hell out of them. They'll still be cheaper than what the dealer on the corner sells them for, and then we've increased our tax revenue to provide for the treatment of the junkies. They've then paid for it themselves, taking little to no money out of our pockets. I believe most taxes should be directly applied to fixing what the taxed item damages. Make the people doing the damage pay to fix it. Examples: Cigarette tax: addiction treatment, medical care, lung cancer research Gas tax: anti-pollution measures, green power, fixing roads, research on better fuel efficient vehicles What about drugs currently illegal that are generally not dangerous. The overwhelming majority of perceived dangers of cannabis, for example, are not based on experimental/statistical data, but rather false propaganda. Should cannabis users have to subsidize the poor choices of others? How do we determine which substances to tax?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #9 November 10, 2006 U2 said it best God Part II by U2 Don't believe the devil I don't believe his book But the truth is not the same Without the lies he made up Don't believe in excess Success is to give Don't believe in riches But you should see where I live I...I believe in love Don't believe in forced entry Don't believe in rape But every time she passes by Wild thoughts escape I don't believe in death row Skid row or the gangs Don't believe in the Uzi It just went off in my hand I...I believe in love Don't believe in cocaine Got a speed-ball in my head I could cut and crack you open Do you hear what I said Don't believe them when they tell me There ain't no cure The rich stay healthy The sick stay poor I...I believe in love Don't believe in Goldman His type like a curse Instant karma's going to get him If I don't get him first Don't believe in rock 'n' roll Can really change the world As it spins in revolution It spirals and turns I...I believe in love Don't believe in the 60's The golden age of pop You glorify the past When the future dries up Heard a singer on the radio late last night He says he's gonna kick the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight I...I believe in love I feel like I'm falling Like I'm spinning on a wheel It always stops beside of me With a presence I can feel I...I believe in love"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #10 November 10, 2006 Don't listen in on my phone calls or internet usage unless you have a court order for probable cause. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed, unless you are talking to a known terroris or enemy of the state. Then all bets are off If you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #11 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Some people seem to forget WHO it is declaring WHO and WHAT FOR... defines an ENEMY of the STATE.... Good movie by the way... perhaps MORE people on the right should go watch it again.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #12 November 10, 2006 Reminds me of Kevin Costners speech in "Bull Durham": QuoteI believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, long foreplay, show tunes, and that the novels of Thomas Pynchon are self-indulgent, overrated crap. (beat) I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, I believe that there oughtta be a constitutional amendment outlawing astro-turf and the designated hitter, I believe in the "sweet spot", voting every election, soft core pornography, chocolate chip cookies, opening your presents on Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last for 7 days. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #13 November 10, 2006 Greg lake said it better.. And I believed in Father Christmas, And I looked to the sky with excited eyes, Then I woke with a yawn in the first light of dawn, And I saw him and through his disguise. I wish you a hopeful Christmas, I wish you a brave New Year, All anguish, pain and sadness, Leave your heart and let your road be clear. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #14 November 10, 2006 I'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. As for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #15 November 10, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. H[url "http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner07022005.html"]ere (<--4 links) is a good place to start to check out how the effects of tobacco and cannabis differ with respect to the lungs. This particular study is cancer specific, but the head researcher, Donald Tashkin, has been similarly unable to find a positive correlation between cannabis smoke and emphysema. [Sources] There seems to actually be a slight negative correlation between cannabis use and both lung cancer and emphysema. A reasonable hypothesis worthy of further study would be that there is actually a minimal protective effect on the lungs as a result of smoking marijuana. To date, no such studies have been published. QuoteAs for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. I agree, but want to add that care must be taken to make sure we only count the negative effects of the drugs themselves, and not the problems more accurately attributed to the War On Drugs.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #16 November 10, 2006 Interesting idea"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #17 November 10, 2006 QuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #18 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Wrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #19 November 11, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. A vaporizer does away with any tar completely as it does not ignite the combustible material but only heats the substance to just under 200 degrees to release the THC. Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. Or you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobacco"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #20 November 11, 2006 Quote onehitters We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #21 November 11, 2006 Quote Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. To be fair, pot smokers tend to hold the smoke in their lungs much longer than their tobacco smoking counterparts. Still, as widespread as marijuana smoking is, the lack of statistical evidence showing long term damage to the lungs of heavy users lends credibility to those who claim it is not a dangerous drug.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #22 November 12, 2006 QuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #23 November 13, 2006 QuoteOr you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobaccoBeechnut, Redman. You only get lip or gum cancer. Just don't spit your juice on my extension cords, or all hell will break loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #24 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did. Wriggle..wriggle..wriggle.... Do you need a sharper ax to split that hair with? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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kallend 2,148 #5 November 10, 2006 QuoteStop social engineering in schools. K - 12 is not enough time for a good education anyway, without adding all that crap. A well educated workforce is necessary to the nation's "general welfare". Education should be properly funded nation wide and not left to the vagaries of local funding.Quote We can't afford to lose the next potential Einstein because she happens to be living in a Detroit ghetto. Isn't manipulating the natural ebb and flow of society, and the repercussions of poor choices, social engineering? What poor choice has a child made that led her to be living in a Detroit ghetto?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #6 November 10, 2006 Don Williams said it best. I don't believe in superstars, Organic food and foreign cars. I don't believe the price of gold; The certainty of growing old. That right is right and left is wrong, That north and south can't get along. That east is east and west is west. And being first is always best. But I believe in love. I believe in babies. I believe in Mom and Dad. And I believe in you. Well, I don't believe that heaven waits, For only those who congregate. I like to think of God as love: He's down below, He's up above. He's watching people everywhere. He knows who does and doesn't care. And I'm an ordinary man, Sometimes I wonder who I am. But I believe in love. I believe in music. I believe in magic. And I believe in you. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #7 November 10, 2006 Quote Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Quote To a point I agree. If you are going to mess yourself up so bad you need to be cared for have family lined up to do it. Don't expect my tax money in programs to do it. This is exactly why I think drugs should be legalized. Right now, we aren't taking advantage of the black market, and we're still footing the bill for treatment. Get rid of the laws that make drugs illegal "for our own good" and tax the hell out of them. They'll still be cheaper than what the dealer on the corner sells them for, and then we've increased our tax revenue to provide for the treatment of the junkies. They've then paid for it themselves, taking little to no money out of our pockets. I believe most taxes should be directly applied to fixing what the taxed item damages. Make the people doing the damage pay to fix it. Examples: Cigarette tax: addiction treatment, medical care, lung cancer research Gas tax: anti-pollution measures, green power, fixing roads, research on better fuel efficient vehicles Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #8 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuote Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Quote To a point I agree. If you are going to mess yourself up so bad you need to be cared for have family lined up to do it. Don't expect my tax money in programs to do it. This is exactly why I think drugs should be legalized. Right now, we aren't taking advantage of the black market, and we're still footing the bill for treatment. Get rid of the laws that make drugs illegal "for our own good" and tax the hell out of them. They'll still be cheaper than what the dealer on the corner sells them for, and then we've increased our tax revenue to provide for the treatment of the junkies. They've then paid for it themselves, taking little to no money out of our pockets. I believe most taxes should be directly applied to fixing what the taxed item damages. Make the people doing the damage pay to fix it. Examples: Cigarette tax: addiction treatment, medical care, lung cancer research Gas tax: anti-pollution measures, green power, fixing roads, research on better fuel efficient vehicles What about drugs currently illegal that are generally not dangerous. The overwhelming majority of perceived dangers of cannabis, for example, are not based on experimental/statistical data, but rather false propaganda. Should cannabis users have to subsidize the poor choices of others? How do we determine which substances to tax?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #9 November 10, 2006 U2 said it best God Part II by U2 Don't believe the devil I don't believe his book But the truth is not the same Without the lies he made up Don't believe in excess Success is to give Don't believe in riches But you should see where I live I...I believe in love Don't believe in forced entry Don't believe in rape But every time she passes by Wild thoughts escape I don't believe in death row Skid row or the gangs Don't believe in the Uzi It just went off in my hand I...I believe in love Don't believe in cocaine Got a speed-ball in my head I could cut and crack you open Do you hear what I said Don't believe them when they tell me There ain't no cure The rich stay healthy The sick stay poor I...I believe in love Don't believe in Goldman His type like a curse Instant karma's going to get him If I don't get him first Don't believe in rock 'n' roll Can really change the world As it spins in revolution It spirals and turns I...I believe in love Don't believe in the 60's The golden age of pop You glorify the past When the future dries up Heard a singer on the radio late last night He says he's gonna kick the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight I...I believe in love I feel like I'm falling Like I'm spinning on a wheel It always stops beside of me With a presence I can feel I...I believe in love"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #10 November 10, 2006 Don't listen in on my phone calls or internet usage unless you have a court order for probable cause. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed, unless you are talking to a known terroris or enemy of the state. Then all bets are off If you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #11 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Some people seem to forget WHO it is declaring WHO and WHAT FOR... defines an ENEMY of the STATE.... Good movie by the way... perhaps MORE people on the right should go watch it again.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #12 November 10, 2006 Reminds me of Kevin Costners speech in "Bull Durham": QuoteI believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, long foreplay, show tunes, and that the novels of Thomas Pynchon are self-indulgent, overrated crap. (beat) I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, I believe that there oughtta be a constitutional amendment outlawing astro-turf and the designated hitter, I believe in the "sweet spot", voting every election, soft core pornography, chocolate chip cookies, opening your presents on Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last for 7 days. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #13 November 10, 2006 Greg lake said it better.. And I believed in Father Christmas, And I looked to the sky with excited eyes, Then I woke with a yawn in the first light of dawn, And I saw him and through his disguise. I wish you a hopeful Christmas, I wish you a brave New Year, All anguish, pain and sadness, Leave your heart and let your road be clear. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #14 November 10, 2006 I'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. As for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #15 November 10, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. H[url "http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner07022005.html"]ere (<--4 links) is a good place to start to check out how the effects of tobacco and cannabis differ with respect to the lungs. This particular study is cancer specific, but the head researcher, Donald Tashkin, has been similarly unable to find a positive correlation between cannabis smoke and emphysema. [Sources] There seems to actually be a slight negative correlation between cannabis use and both lung cancer and emphysema. A reasonable hypothesis worthy of further study would be that there is actually a minimal protective effect on the lungs as a result of smoking marijuana. To date, no such studies have been published. QuoteAs for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. I agree, but want to add that care must be taken to make sure we only count the negative effects of the drugs themselves, and not the problems more accurately attributed to the War On Drugs.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #16 November 10, 2006 Interesting idea"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #17 November 10, 2006 QuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #18 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Wrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #19 November 11, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. A vaporizer does away with any tar completely as it does not ignite the combustible material but only heats the substance to just under 200 degrees to release the THC. Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. Or you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobacco"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #20 November 11, 2006 Quote onehitters We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #21 November 11, 2006 Quote Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. To be fair, pot smokers tend to hold the smoke in their lungs much longer than their tobacco smoking counterparts. Still, as widespread as marijuana smoking is, the lack of statistical evidence showing long term damage to the lungs of heavy users lends credibility to those who claim it is not a dangerous drug.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #22 November 12, 2006 QuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #23 November 13, 2006 QuoteOr you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobaccoBeechnut, Redman. You only get lip or gum cancer. Just don't spit your juice on my extension cords, or all hell will break loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #24 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did. Wriggle..wriggle..wriggle.... Do you need a sharper ax to split that hair with? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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jcd11235 0 #8 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuote Mind your own business and I'll mind mine (which means it's none of the government's business what a consenting adult chooses to do with his or her body, or what substances they put in it). Quote To a point I agree. If you are going to mess yourself up so bad you need to be cared for have family lined up to do it. Don't expect my tax money in programs to do it. This is exactly why I think drugs should be legalized. Right now, we aren't taking advantage of the black market, and we're still footing the bill for treatment. Get rid of the laws that make drugs illegal "for our own good" and tax the hell out of them. They'll still be cheaper than what the dealer on the corner sells them for, and then we've increased our tax revenue to provide for the treatment of the junkies. They've then paid for it themselves, taking little to no money out of our pockets. I believe most taxes should be directly applied to fixing what the taxed item damages. Make the people doing the damage pay to fix it. Examples: Cigarette tax: addiction treatment, medical care, lung cancer research Gas tax: anti-pollution measures, green power, fixing roads, research on better fuel efficient vehicles What about drugs currently illegal that are generally not dangerous. The overwhelming majority of perceived dangers of cannabis, for example, are not based on experimental/statistical data, but rather false propaganda. Should cannabis users have to subsidize the poor choices of others? How do we determine which substances to tax?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #9 November 10, 2006 U2 said it best God Part II by U2 Don't believe the devil I don't believe his book But the truth is not the same Without the lies he made up Don't believe in excess Success is to give Don't believe in riches But you should see where I live I...I believe in love Don't believe in forced entry Don't believe in rape But every time she passes by Wild thoughts escape I don't believe in death row Skid row or the gangs Don't believe in the Uzi It just went off in my hand I...I believe in love Don't believe in cocaine Got a speed-ball in my head I could cut and crack you open Do you hear what I said Don't believe them when they tell me There ain't no cure The rich stay healthy The sick stay poor I...I believe in love Don't believe in Goldman His type like a curse Instant karma's going to get him If I don't get him first Don't believe in rock 'n' roll Can really change the world As it spins in revolution It spirals and turns I...I believe in love Don't believe in the 60's The golden age of pop You glorify the past When the future dries up Heard a singer on the radio late last night He says he's gonna kick the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight I...I believe in love I feel like I'm falling Like I'm spinning on a wheel It always stops beside of me With a presence I can feel I...I believe in love"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #10 November 10, 2006 Don't listen in on my phone calls or internet usage unless you have a court order for probable cause. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed, unless you are talking to a known terroris or enemy of the state. Then all bets are off If you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #11 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Some people seem to forget WHO it is declaring WHO and WHAT FOR... defines an ENEMY of the STATE.... Good movie by the way... perhaps MORE people on the right should go watch it again.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #12 November 10, 2006 Reminds me of Kevin Costners speech in "Bull Durham": QuoteI believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, long foreplay, show tunes, and that the novels of Thomas Pynchon are self-indulgent, overrated crap. (beat) I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, I believe that there oughtta be a constitutional amendment outlawing astro-turf and the designated hitter, I believe in the "sweet spot", voting every election, soft core pornography, chocolate chip cookies, opening your presents on Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last for 7 days. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #13 November 10, 2006 Greg lake said it better.. And I believed in Father Christmas, And I looked to the sky with excited eyes, Then I woke with a yawn in the first light of dawn, And I saw him and through his disguise. I wish you a hopeful Christmas, I wish you a brave New Year, All anguish, pain and sadness, Leave your heart and let your road be clear. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #14 November 10, 2006 I'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. As for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #15 November 10, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. H[url "http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner07022005.html"]ere (<--4 links) is a good place to start to check out how the effects of tobacco and cannabis differ with respect to the lungs. This particular study is cancer specific, but the head researcher, Donald Tashkin, has been similarly unable to find a positive correlation between cannabis smoke and emphysema. [Sources] There seems to actually be a slight negative correlation between cannabis use and both lung cancer and emphysema. A reasonable hypothesis worthy of further study would be that there is actually a minimal protective effect on the lungs as a result of smoking marijuana. To date, no such studies have been published. QuoteAs for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. I agree, but want to add that care must be taken to make sure we only count the negative effects of the drugs themselves, and not the problems more accurately attributed to the War On Drugs.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #16 November 10, 2006 Interesting idea"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #17 November 10, 2006 QuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #18 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Wrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #19 November 11, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. A vaporizer does away with any tar completely as it does not ignite the combustible material but only heats the substance to just under 200 degrees to release the THC. Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. Or you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobacco"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #20 November 11, 2006 Quote onehitters We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jcd11235 0 #21 November 11, 2006 Quote Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. To be fair, pot smokers tend to hold the smoke in their lungs much longer than their tobacco smoking counterparts. Still, as widespread as marijuana smoking is, the lack of statistical evidence showing long term damage to the lungs of heavy users lends credibility to those who claim it is not a dangerous drug.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites FallRate 0 #22 November 12, 2006 QuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Royd 0 #23 November 13, 2006 QuoteOr you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobaccoBeechnut, Redman. You only get lip or gum cancer. Just don't spit your juice on my extension cords, or all hell will break loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,148 #24 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did. Wriggle..wriggle..wriggle.... Do you need a sharper ax to split that hair with? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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freethefly 6 #9 November 10, 2006 U2 said it best God Part II by U2 Don't believe the devil I don't believe his book But the truth is not the same Without the lies he made up Don't believe in excess Success is to give Don't believe in riches But you should see where I live I...I believe in love Don't believe in forced entry Don't believe in rape But every time she passes by Wild thoughts escape I don't believe in death row Skid row or the gangs Don't believe in the Uzi It just went off in my hand I...I believe in love Don't believe in cocaine Got a speed-ball in my head I could cut and crack you open Do you hear what I said Don't believe them when they tell me There ain't no cure The rich stay healthy The sick stay poor I...I believe in love Don't believe in Goldman His type like a curse Instant karma's going to get him If I don't get him first Don't believe in rock 'n' roll Can really change the world As it spins in revolution It spirals and turns I...I believe in love Don't believe in the 60's The golden age of pop You glorify the past When the future dries up Heard a singer on the radio late last night He says he's gonna kick the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight I...I believe in love I feel like I'm falling Like I'm spinning on a wheel It always stops beside of me With a presence I can feel I...I believe in love"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #10 November 10, 2006 Don't listen in on my phone calls or internet usage unless you have a court order for probable cause. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agreed, unless you are talking to a known terroris or enemy of the state. Then all bets are off If you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 November 10, 2006 QuoteIf you're talking to a known terrorist then I hope those listening have already got a Court Order letting them listen in on his calls - you just happen to be the guy he's calling and then, yes, all bets are off. A Court Order is still needed though, otherwise well... I nominate rushmc as a known terrorist... because, um... I say so. I can now listen to all your calls. There's gotta be Judicial oversight. Some people seem to forget WHO it is declaring WHO and WHAT FOR... defines an ENEMY of the STATE.... Good movie by the way... perhaps MORE people on the right should go watch it again.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #12 November 10, 2006 Reminds me of Kevin Costners speech in "Bull Durham": QuoteI believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, long foreplay, show tunes, and that the novels of Thomas Pynchon are self-indulgent, overrated crap. (beat) I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, I believe that there oughtta be a constitutional amendment outlawing astro-turf and the designated hitter, I believe in the "sweet spot", voting every election, soft core pornography, chocolate chip cookies, opening your presents on Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last for 7 days. "Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 November 10, 2006 Greg lake said it better.. And I believed in Father Christmas, And I looked to the sky with excited eyes, Then I woke with a yawn in the first light of dawn, And I saw him and through his disguise. I wish you a hopeful Christmas, I wish you a brave New Year, All anguish, pain and sadness, Leave your heart and let your road be clear. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #14 November 10, 2006 I'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. As for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #15 November 10, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. H[url "http://www.counterpunch.org/gardner07022005.html"]ere (<--4 links) is a good place to start to check out how the effects of tobacco and cannabis differ with respect to the lungs. This particular study is cancer specific, but the head researcher, Donald Tashkin, has been similarly unable to find a positive correlation between cannabis smoke and emphysema. [Sources] There seems to actually be a slight negative correlation between cannabis use and both lung cancer and emphysema. A reasonable hypothesis worthy of further study would be that there is actually a minimal protective effect on the lungs as a result of smoking marijuana. To date, no such studies have been published. QuoteAs for deciding which substances to tax and by how much, just look at the costs usage of a particular substance has placed on society and tax it accordingly. I agree, but want to add that care must be taken to make sure we only count the negative effects of the drugs themselves, and not the problems more accurately attributed to the War On Drugs.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 November 10, 2006 Interesting idea"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #17 November 10, 2006 QuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #18 November 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDon't tell me what kind of car to drive. This must be a recent change of heart. You have, in the past, stated that Single Occupant SUV Operators should be fined...something like $500 or $1000. FallRate Wrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #19 November 11, 2006 QuoteI'd put cannabis in a similar category to cigarettes, as usage does involve inhaling tar into your lungs, but I'd have to do more research to give you more than that. A vaporizer does away with any tar completely as it does not ignite the combustible material but only heats the substance to just under 200 degrees to release the THC. Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. Or you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobacco"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #20 November 11, 2006 Quote onehitters We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #21 November 11, 2006 Quote Also most people do not smoke pot the same as people smoke tobacco. Tobacco users will often smoke 20 or more cigarettes in a day. With pot it's more like a joint or two or maybe onehitters. To be fair, pot smokers tend to hold the smoke in their lungs much longer than their tobacco smoking counterparts. Still, as widespread as marijuana smoking is, the lack of statistical evidence showing long term damage to the lungs of heavy users lends credibility to those who claim it is not a dangerous drug.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallRate 0 #22 November 12, 2006 QuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #23 November 13, 2006 QuoteOr you can just make some brownies. Try that with tobaccoBeechnut, Redman. You only get lip or gum cancer. Just don't spit your juice on my extension cords, or all hell will break loose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #24 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #25 November 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWrong - you misread what the fine was for. (And that's the second time you've done it). This is your original post: QuoteGas (and diesel and jet fuel) should be taxed at a rate that reflects their true cost to the global economy, not just their production and distribution costs. True costs include cleaning up the environment, R&D to find replacements for non-renewable resources, etc. Road vehicles should be taxed at a rate corresponding to their (axle weight)^3 (that's weight cubed) because the damage they do to the roads and bridges goes as their axle weight cubed. A 5000 pound SUV should pay 8 times as much annual tax as a 2500 pound compact car. Those who drive SUVs with only one occupant into big cities should be fined $500 for the first offense, and $1000 for each subsequent offense. I did not misread that post. FallRate Obviously you did. Wriggle..wriggle..wriggle.... Do you need a sharper ax to split that hair with? - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
