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>So if the republicans got hit by the priniciple . . .

I'll let him explain.

[billvon 3,120]

> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

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> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

It counts in horseshoes.

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> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

Well, I mostly picked good stocks and I ended up ahead of you. So I don't mind being mostly right.

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> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

It counts in horseshoes.

Lame!!! Did you learn that in the third grade.

Gee, last time I heard that I fell off a dinosaur.

[kallend 2,150]

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I was mostly right. Whats your point? That we should have been able to predict Foley and some of the other events that happened in the last year? I posted what I thought would happen based on what we knew at the time.

Oh, I see. This just another vanity post?

Feel good?

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How can it be a "vanity post"? I linked to nothing I wrote and quoted nothing I wrote.

A casual reading of threads since 2002 does show who has been consistently right, and who has only been "mostly right", doesn't it?

I certainly feel good that the neo-cons have got their comeuppance.

I think you'll find that Foley was NOT the cause of the GOP ouster, Bush was.

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> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

It counts in horseshoes.

Lame!!! Did you learn that in the third grade.

Gee, last time I heard that I fell off a dinosaur.

Sore loser?

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I was mostly right. Whats your point? That we should have been able to predict Foley and some of the other events that happened in the last year? I posted what I thought would happen based on what we knew at the time.

Oh, I see. This just another vanity post?

Feel good?

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How can it be a "vanity post"? I linked to nothing I wrote and quoted nothing I wrote.

A casual reading of threads since 2002 does show who has been consistently right, and who has only been "mostly right", doesn't it?

I certainly feel good that the neo-cons have got their comeuppance.

I think you'll find that Foley was NOT the cause of the GOP ouster, Bush was.

Be careful what you wish for.

Reminds me of the dog who caught the car it was chasing.

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> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

It counts in horseshoes.

Lame!!! Did you learn that in the third grade.

Gee, last time I heard that I fell off a dinosaur.

Sore loser?

Nope, more like mocking.

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So if the republicans got hit by the priniciple would that not mean that the same thing could happen to the dems? So I asked if he thought the Dems were immune to it.

This is Modus Ponens : if p then q; p; therefore q

Unfortunately, p was not suggested by Kallend. p (the republicans got hit by the peter principle) is a mis-interpretation of Kallends original post.

The Peter Principle comment was in reference to our incompetent President GW Bush.

can I have a jelly bean for sorting this out?

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Who remembers the Peter Principle?

You win DEM control of Congress.

So the principle only applies to Republicans?

I think it will apply to both, but he refers to Democrats since they are recently rising to their utmost level of incompetence. Is that what you mean John?

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Who remembers the Peter Principle?

I bought and read the book. What do I win?

You win DEM control of Congress.

Which is the pinnacle of the principle...

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I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I hear that's going to be the new plan for Iraq...

As Obama said, now there are only bad options and worse options. For that you can thank the architects of the Iraq fiasco who led us to this situation with their hubris and then refused to come to terms with reality, all the while branding any who did not agree with them as unpatriotic. It must have come as a huge shock to Bush yesterday to realize that the majority of Americans fit his conception of "unpatriotic"

As I wrote some long time ago, Bush's Iraq war will have as devastating a long term effect on US foreign policy and military morale as did Vietnam. I suspect the damage Bush has done to the GOP will also take some time to heal.

Who remembers the Peter Principle?

This (from another thread) seemed relevant:

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I wish more people would accept that right or wrong ..it is done and now the question is "how do we minimize the damage". Too many people want to debate a decision that has already been made even though it is now moot. Lay the blame where it belongs after the issue has been resolved. None of the people who wish to lament endlessly about what should have been done can offer a constructive solution as to how to move forward.

If you tell people that if we pull the troops out it could cause chaos they will simply say "well Bush shouldn't have gone in there in the first place". That is great but no help whatsoever to the people in Iraq who now have to face the consequences of an invasion they had no say in. If pulling out will make the situation better then fine do it but don't leave them to clear up our mess because "we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place"

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I hear that's going to be the new plan for Iraq...

As Obama said, now there are only bad options and worse options. For that you can thank the architects of the Iraq fiasco who led us to this situation with their hubris and then refused to come to terms with reality, all the while branding any who did not agree with them as unpatriotic. It must have come as a huge shock to Bush yesterday to realize that the majority of Americans fit his conception of "unpatriotic"

As I wrote some long time ago, Bush's Iraq war will have as devastating a long term effect on US foreign policy and military morale as did Vietnam. I suspect the damage Bush has done to the GOP will also take some time to heal.

Who remembers the Peter Principle?

This (from another thread) seemed relevant:

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I wish more people would accept that right or wrong ..it is done and now the question is "how do we minimize the damage". Too many people want to debate a decision that has already been made even though it is now moot. Lay the blame where it belongs after the issue has been resolved. None of the people who wish to lament endlessly about what should have been done can offer a constructive solution as to how to move forward.

If you tell people that if we pull the troops out it could cause chaos they will simply say "well Bush shouldn't have gone in there in the first place". That is great but no help whatsoever to the people in Iraq who now have to face the consequences of an invasion they had no say in. If pulling out will make the situation better then fine do it but don't leave them to clear up our mess because "we shouldn't have gone in there in the first place"

If a bunch of people jump out of a plane without parachutes and then ask "what can be done to save us", the options are very limited, but it IS their fault for jumping.

Recognizing that the pre-emptive war proponents screwed up will not prevent a lot more deaths of American boys in the short term, but in the long term the repudiation of the Bush doctrine will be very beneficial to all.

The Bush doctrine has brought grief to the USA and its allies, to the people of Iraq, and now to the GOP itself. It will have a lasting negative effect on our military, just like Vietnam did.

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It counts in horseshoes.

And Hand Grenades... and Atom Bombs.. goes the rest of the line

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This is Modus Ponens : if p then q; p; therefore q

Unfortunately, p was not suggested by Kallend. p (the republicans got hit by the peter principle) is a mis-interpretation of Kallends original post.

The Peter Principle comment was in reference to our incompetent President GW Bush.

Ah is Bush not a Republican? Last I checked he was, so that would mean the Republicans did get hit with it.

Now he said that the PP was the reason that the Dems got control. So I asked HIM, not bill, not you, if he thought the Dems were immune to the same principle.

But since you chipped in, do you think the priciple will apply equally to either side no matter blue or red?

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If you want to talk about the peter principle in context of recent events, please make your arguments,in your own words. Constructing a straw man argument from other users' posts does not advance the discussion on the topic at hand.
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If you want to talk about the peter principle in context of recent events, please make your arguments,in your own words. Constructing a straw man argument from other users' posts does not advance the discussion on the topic at hand.

Well, maybe if you didn't just jump in? Kallend made a point, I asked HIM a question.

My point is reather simple, you want to claim that the principle is what bit the republicans....Then do you think it could also bite the Dems?

I noticed while you jumped in, you never answered that question.

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you want to claim that the principle is what bit the republicans

Other than yourself, no one is claiming that.

I jumped in to assist in clearing up the fallacies of your argument.

Fallacy: A fallacy is a component of an argument that is demonstrably flawed in its logic or form, thus rendering the argument invalid in whole.

I did answer your question.

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If you want to talk about the peter principle in context of recent events, please make your arguments,in your own words. Constructing a straw man argument from other users' posts does not advance the discussion on the topic at hand.

If you are unable to understand the scope of that answer, it will be difficult to have meaningful dialog in this forum.

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Other than yourself, no one is claiming that

Really? Why do you think it was even brought up then?...sheesh.

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I did answer your question.

Nope and still have not. Nice that you jumped in though...Next time bring chips or something useful.

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If you are unable to understand the scope of that answer, it will be difficult to have meaningful dialog in this forum

Same to you, you keep just avoid giving any real answers. Misdirection at its best.

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Other than yourself, no one is claiming that

Really? Why do you think it was even brought up then?...sheesh.

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I did answer your question.

Nope and still have not. Nice that you jumped in though...Next time bring chips or something useful.

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If you are unable to understand the scope of that answer, it will be difficult to have meaningful dialog in this forum

Same to you, you keep just avoid giving any real answers. Misdirection at its best.

Jeez, guys! GWB is the living, breathing epitome of the Peter Principle in action. I'm sure that there are many others in politics, but right now he is the poster child.

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I was mostly right. Whats your point? That we should have been able to predict Foley and some of the other events that happened in the last year? I posted what I thought would happen based on what we knew at the time.

Oh, I see. This just another vanity post?

Feel good?

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The war was the biggy. Even w/o all the republican child mollesters, gay clergy, etc..... the war would have turned the house and maybe the senate. This economy BS is baffling. The economy is crappy for me and lok at the local help wanted. I think there are a lot of unemployed and low paid workers out there, but this is not a booming job market and I think the people said that with their votes.

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> I was mostly right.

Well, in the same way Kerry mostly won in 2004, or the GOP mostly held onto the house and the senate. Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

--bill von
(who mostly won gold in advanced this year!)

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Heck, I've mostly won the lottery a few times, come to think of it.

Yea, I only missed it by six numbers.

Hey, I mostly got laid by a supermodel too

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Hey, I mostly got laid by a supermodel too

I got laid by nearly more than one!

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