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What can the Dems do to change the course in Iraq?

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Just agreeing with the guy on my right:P



{{looking to the prof's right}}

{{squinting}}

Oh, that guy? Way over there?

{{I think that can be read two ways, both of you can have fun with it :P}}

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So you acknowledge that campaign finance reform was a fraud, useless if not even resulting in a worse situation than before?

Why just tell the Israelis to cut the crap? Is only one side at fault?

What do you mean by part II of the 9/11 commission report? Do we need to find out if it was all a conspiracy by Bush?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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I doubt Pelosico (I get credit for the name) -



Oh, you are SOooo clever. I bet you were a star in 3rd grade.:D



You quite often offer responses that are not constructive to the debate at all. It seems you often just want to get in a jab for the amusement factor.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Why add an insult to a persons name, are you trying to be like Amazon?



the rainforest?
the internet clearinghouse? or
the tall red hug-diver warrior forum surfer?

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It seems you often just want to get in a jab for the amusement factor.



ding ding ding ding

(once you realize that, the prof is really pretty cool - and it's pretty easy to tell when it's serious and just good clean fun)

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I doubt Pelosico (I get credit for the name)



Told you this was going to be fun. ONE DAY and the right is starting to act like the left:S

Why add an insult to a persons name, are you trying to be like Amazon?



Not meant as an insult. I'm just condensing it down so we don't have to type Pelosi, Reid etc. everytime we refer to them. Which we will be doing quite a bit.

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I'm now just saying that their majority in congress doesn't give the Dems the ability to do that anymore than they could before. It really was amazing the way that Howard Dean admitted they were powerless to make a change. That admission would not have helped his party win the election, there is no way he would have admitted that before, so that is why it is important.



Well, obviously Dean was hoping for a two-third majority in both houses (which would have opened all doors) but got gravely disappointed by the current results that tied his hands. ;)

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If Bush sees the election as a message from the voters that he must change, then it will happen.



GWB doesn't exactly have a track record of being a good listener.

He needs constant reminders - - - such as 230+ house reps of the wrong color.


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Interesting question. I really don't know the answer, but here's what I was wondering yesterday. Since Congress has not declared war in Iraq, but merely authorized the President to use force, would it be legal for them to pass legislation (assuming they had a veto-proof majority) withdrawing or restricting said authorization? I'm not saying that they should do that, just wondering if they could.

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>I doubt most conservatives have any interest in dishing out the level
> of bitchin', whinin', moanin', hatin' we've been subjected to for the
> last six years.

Oh, they will give it the old college try. There are some conservatives right here on this board who put the left side's whining to shame.

>It just seemed so juvenile... so petty.

Come now! When conservatives do it. it's valid criticism. Don't rain on your own parade!

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>There are some conservatives right here on this board who put the left side's whining to shame.



I disagree, the left has the most talent in that area so far and BY far - it's certainly much more emotional. But I've only been here a few years.

But a switch in government should give us an idea of the potential of a role reversal.

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Vinnie just "waxes poetic", but he has substance in the background when he's not just in mocking mode (frankly, he's your opposite, as far as I'm concerned - backs up statements with facts and history, mostly moderate but with an easily recognizable lean one way when pushed, a couple of 'pet' issues that are primarily emotive but at least understandable) - I recognize Vinnie's leanings, but I respect his delivery. And the tequila

If you want to name names, here's the lineup on the left (It's the freaking Deland Groove of the forums in terms of shear talent)

for shear blind unreasoning vitriol - ______ is an artist
for shear mind numbing volume and partisanship - _____, hands down
for clever drive by poking and hidden jabs - _______is a master (but fun to follow)

plus we lately have 3 more in serious training.

I'm surprised you didn't pick more obvious partisan types like ______, or _____________ on the right. But they don't hold a candle.

It must be the IQ difference inherent. Even those right wingers that weren't 'stuck' in the military likely still can't keep up as well.

I won't actually name names, because then you'd have to give me and yourself a warning. That would be awkward.

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Why add an insult to a persons name, are you trying to be like Amazon?



Gee some people .........:S



perhaps it's just a case of imitation being a sincere form of flattery. but as BV noted, Vinnie also has a talent for it - so it's likely the only 'pure' bi-partisan effort here

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My criticism won't contain the vitriol and hate that has come from the left the past few years.
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I was going to let this sort of nonsense from you and NC slide but I just can't. "Hate, vitriol, bitchin, whinin', moanin'" blah blah blah, has been the RNC platform for at least the last 15 years! To even pretend otherwise is not only ludicrous but it insults the intelligence of anyone who reads it. When Gingrich and that bunch moved in to Congress even Republican leaders were voluntarily leaving Congress because of the level to which the discourse had been lowered. The near decade long personal assault on the Clintons and anyone who didn't toe the line, the demonization and willful misrepresentation of all things left of the arbitrary line... and then to have people try to insinuate that the R's somehow have been the poor victims of hatred and personal attacks?!?!?!? I can almost taste the bile!
Part of me wants the same crap thrown right back at the R's so that they can taste their own medicine. Let's have the Dems hide all of the committee meetings, let 'em gavel out anything that the R's want to talk about, let 'em drop everything so that we can investigate Bush's travel, wardrobe and hair cut expenditures, etc. etc. And I'll bet that the R's are pretty damn happy that they didn't do away with the filibuster! Oooo....wow....if memory of the righteous right's take on a similar situation serves me, the Dems have a "mandate" so I guess that the "people have spoken" and the R's are "losers" and should "shut up and go home" because they were voted out so "tough luck, too bad, you don't get to set the agenda", our 51% means that we don't have to even acknowledge your 49%!
Then the other part of me says "I'd like to think that our government is better than the most recent example". Time will tell but I honestly don't think it could get any worse.

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So you acknowledge that campaign finance reform was a fraud, useless if not even resulting in a worse situation than before?

Any reform that doesn't consider all forms of money going to any politicians as bribery is a fraud as far as I'm concerned

Why just tell the Israelis to cut the crap? Is only one side at fault?

No. But if they're going to steal land, practice pseudo-genocide, kidnap democratically elected government officials and commit war crimes then I personally don't want to pay for it or have it reflect negatively against my country.

What do you mean by part II of the 9/11 commission report? Do we need to find out if it was all a conspiracy by Bush?
Part two, how the White House dealt with the intelligence that they were given, was promised to us by the Republican leadership prior to the 2004 election. After the election was over, Pat Roberts refused to allow the committee to discuss it. He's tried to bury it. It's just one more example of how this congress abdicated its oversight responsibilities.

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