kallend 2,182 #1 November 8, 2006 So Pelosi will be speaker.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #2 November 8, 2006 Quote CNN projects House goes Dem SURPRISE, SURPRISE!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 November 8, 2006 GAWD can you hear all the talk from the right about bi-partisanship.... after shoving right wing crap down peoples throats for years. I hope this can get to the centrist position and actually do something for the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #4 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuote CNN projects House goes Dem SURPRISE, SURPRISE! GWB will have to look for his veto pen.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 November 8, 2006 Quote So Pelosi will be speaker. You beat me by 1 minute god damnit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #6 November 8, 2006 Hastert re-elected.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #7 November 8, 2006 He may not be there for long.. I dont think they will impeach Bush... BUT.. I would lay odds that how he handled the information about Foley will get him punted. Fox is showing 217 to 217.. trying to sugar coat the numbers for the faithful... MSNBC is showing 231 to 204 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #8 November 8, 2006 Not unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. I wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. Something tells me no, and that the left media won't hold her to it. But that's just a guess. Hopefully someone reminds her that we've had record tax revenues since GWB's tax cuts have been enacted. Many leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. I'm hoping the right maintains control of the Senate. We shall see - it's looking like that will be the case. Truth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #9 November 8, 2006 QuoteTruth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. The most true thing that has been stated in SC in a long time.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #10 November 8, 2006 Quote The most true thing that has been stated in SC in a long time. We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #11 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote CNN projects House goes Dem SURPRISE, SURPRISE! GWB will have to look for his veto pen. Nah, he'll just write "signing statements" that allow him to interpret laws in ways that are at odds with their letter and intent, and that increase Presidential authority in ways the authors of our constitution never intended. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 November 8, 2006 QuoteNot unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. Why? The Republicans and the Democrats are complete and utter fuck-ups right now. At least having opposing parties in the legislative and executive branches should keep either from doing too much stupid shit. I've been hoping for such a stalemate in every election since early 2000. We need an intelligent individual in the Oval Office and without one, I hope that Congress has the authority to slow him down. QuoteI wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. Something tells me no, and that the left media won't hold her to it. But that's just a guess. Hopefully someone reminds her that we've had record tax revenues since GWB's tax cuts have been enacted. Many leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. I'm hoping the right maintains control of the Senate. We shall see - it's looking like that will be the case. Truth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. I agree with your last sentence. But not the rest of that. Record tax revenues aren't all that exciting when they're accompanied by record deficit spending. Pay as you go is as good a plan for the government as it is for your average household. Our politicians, oddly enough more Republicans than Democrats lately, have shown that they can't be fiscally responsible and should not be extended further credit until they prove they are mature enough to handle it. Cutting all deficit spending does that. If they want to spend more, they should get it from their electorate (us), in the form of taxes, not from future generations who won't be able to vote for them out of office for incompetence and a total lack of responsibility. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote CNN projects House goes Dem SURPRISE, SURPRISE! GWB will have to look for his veto pen. Nah, he'll just write "signing statements" that allow him to interpret laws in ways that are at odds with their letter and intent, and that increase Presidential authority in ways the authors of our constitution never intended. Blues, Dave And this is different than the last dozen years, how?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #14 November 8, 2006 QuoteNot unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. I wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. From the link. QuoteDay One: Put new rules in place to "break the link between lobbyists and legislation." Great...will never happen, the left likes money also. QuoteDay Two: Enact all the recommendations made by the commission that investigated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 No issue. QuoteRaise the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour, maybe in one step I hope not, min wage is not meant to be a living wage. Two very different things. All it will do is raise inflation. QuoteCut the interest rate on student loans in half. Cool QuoteAllow the government to negotiate directly with the pharmaceutical companies for lower drug prices for Medicare patients. Cool QuoteBroaden the types of stem cell research allowed with federal funds Cool QuoteTo do that, she said, Bush-era tax cuts would have to be rolled back for those above "a certain level." She mentioned annual incomes of $250,000 or $300,000 a year and higher, and said tax rates for those individuals might revert to those of the Clinton era Well, the economy has been on on upturn...Yes the defecit is rising as well, but taxing the hell out of society will kill the uptic IMO. Quote"We believe in the marketplace," Pelosi said of Democrats, then drew a contrast with Republicans. "They have only rewarded wealth, not work." "We must share the benefits of our wealth" beyond the privileged few, she added. Reward those who work...Not those that collect welfare and I would agree. So lets see what she really does. For the left it will be fun to watch them on the defensive for a while Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #15 November 8, 2006 QuoteNot unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. I wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. Something tells me no, and that the left media won't hold her to it. But that's just a guess. Hopefully someone reminds her that we've had record tax revenues since GWB's tax cuts have been enacted. Many leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. I'm hoping the right maintains control of the Senate. We shall see - it's looking like that will be the case. Truth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. OK, let's talk result. What is the result of these tax breaks? More profits for teh rich as the debt soars? Right, so what 's the great deal? He's bragging that the debt is increasing at a slower rate, but still 100's of billions per year. Lovely. Senate, looks as if they're going to be a real wildcard. 49 / 49 / 2. The 2 are going to have everyone licking their asses as they are real swing votes. With Lieberman promising his vote to the Dems, we'll see what happens. QuoteMany leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. Many righties change the subject when talking national debt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteNot unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. I wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. Something tells me no, and that the left media won't hold her to it. But that's just a guess. Hopefully someone reminds her that we've had record tax revenues since GWB's tax cuts have been enacted. Many leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. I'm hoping the right maintains control of the Senate. We shall see - it's looking like that will be the case. Truth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. OK, let's talk result. What is the result of these tax breaks? More profits for teh rich as the debt soars? Right, so what 's the great deal? He's bragging that the debt is increasing at a slower rate, but still 100's of billions per year. Lovely. Senate, looks as if they're going to be a real wildcard. 49 / 49 / 2. The 2 are going to have everyone licking their asses as they are real swing votes. With Lieberman promising his vote to the Dems, we'll see what happens. QuoteMany leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. Many righties change the subject when talking national debt. Back to that old quote.. "It's the economy, stupid!" Dems are going to raise taxes - that's a given. Less money available in the economy (hence less being spent, less jobs created or (hopefully not) jobs lost. Marginal companies go out of business, larger companies raise prices or outsource to protect profits for their shareholders. (Note for Lucky: THAT is the function of businesses...making money for their shareholders, not giving it away.) Final result: National debt goes down slightly faster... at the expense of the public (as always)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 November 8, 2006 QuoteAll it will do is raise inflation. Is that redundant? Yes, we shouldn’t compel employers to pay people a wage they cannot live on. I’m not sure what to expect when I meet a person who thinks 7.25 as hour is too much to pay people for work, at a minimum. QuoteWell, the economy has been on on upturn...Yes the defecit is rising as well, but taxing the hell out of society will kill the uptic IMO. Yea, it worked for Clinton, so it can’t work for Bush. QuoteReward those who work...Not those that collect welfare and I would agree. You’re more worried about welfare recipients getting over than you are helping the poor, huh? QuoteSo lets see what she really does. For the left it will be fun to watch them on the defensive for a while You have point, it’s been like taking candy from a baby, or a choir boy as the right puts it, but I think votes who have spoken today will be patient as they know the right has totally fucked this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #18 November 8, 2006 QuoteIs that redundant? No, a sudden pay rate for the lowest paid workers will only raise the cost of goods and services. Also people making more than min wage will be crunched by the rising costs without further compensation. For example...All the 16 year old's at McDonalds get a raise to 7.25 from 5.25. Now McDonalds has a few options: 1. Reduce costs by reducing employees. 2. Reduce costs by running more efficiently. 3. Raise prices to afford the added cost. Option 2 would be nice, but 1 and 3 are much more likely. And option 2 often leads to option one. Option one has the problem that it reduces the amount of people who will buy goods since they will no longer have a job. Option 3 will raise the cost of the hamburgers, and the people that eat there will need to raise the cost of their services to make up the sudden rise in the cost of a BigMac. When I was in the service, they raised the BAQ (Amount they give the troops to live off of post). The month that the raise went into effect the landlords raised the rent. Now for the troops it was a zero loss deal, they just handed the "extra money" over to someone else. Their standard of living did not go up, only the landlords standard did. Also, anyone NOT in the military got screwed in the deal. QuoteI’m not sure what to expect when I meet a person who thinks 7.25 as hour is too much to pay people for work, at a minimum. Do you think a guy in high school sould get paid 7.25 to take tickets at the local movie house, or to flip burgers at Mickey D's? And are you willing to pay the extra money that those things will cost if they do? QuoteYea, it worked for Clinton, so it can’t work for Bush. Taxing the hell out of the people will only kill the economic uptick. People will hoard money not spend it. The SAME argument you use for giving the little guy a raise works against you on taxing the hell out of people. QuoteYou’re more worried about welfare recipients getting over than you are helping the poor, huh? Yes, they system is broken and more and more it is being abused. I don't mind helping those that need it, I do mind paying people to sit on their asses all day. Of course, it would be better to fix the problem, but some people would rather let people skate than fix it. It is not a big deal if you like the idea of a socialist state, but it is a big deal if you like capitalism. QuoteYou have point, it’s been like taking candy from a baby, or a choir boy as the right puts it, but I think votes who have spoken today will be patient as they know the right has totally fucked this country. Doubt it. The best thing is the war in Iraq was a major reason for the swing....But at one point the war was popular. So the only thing that has really changed is the voters have grown sick and do not back the choices they made. Edit: lets try to keep this civil and on topic...Care to explain in economic terms the benefits of raising min wage? Or how taxing the hell out of the population will help the economy? The deficit I will agree, but the overall economy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #19 November 8, 2006 QuoteNot unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. I wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. Something tells me no, and that the left media won't hold her to it. But that's just a guess. Hopefully someone reminds her that we've had record tax revenues since GWB's tax cuts have been enacted. Many leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. I'm hoping the right maintains control of the Senate. We shall see - it's looking like that will be the case. Truth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. You might check your revenues facts - it took years for revenues to just get back up to where they were in 2000. The cumulative revenue LOSS is why we have record debt. Next, the Dems have said they will restore pay-go rules that the GOP abolished, and that is likely to rein in spending increases.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #20 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteNot unexpected, truth be told, yet still a sorry thing to see. I wonder if Speaker Pelosi will do as she stated she would during her first 100 hours. Something tells me no, and that the left media won't hold her to it. But that's just a guess. Hopefully someone reminds her that we've had record tax revenues since GWB's tax cuts have been enacted. Many leftists seem to develop amnesia when asked to recall this. I'm hoping the right maintains control of the Senate. We shall see - it's looking like that will be the case. Truth be told, either party will increase spending and tick me off. You might check your revenues facts - it took years for revenues to just get back up to where they were in 2000. The cumulative revenue LOSS is why we have record debt. Next, the Dems have said they will restore pay-go rules that the GOP abolished, and that is likely to rein in spending increases. And maybe one of these years we'll actually see our federal debt reduced. How long has it been since that happened? 46 years? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 November 8, 2006 QuoteFox is showing 217 to 217.. trying to sugar coat the numbers for the faithful... MSNBC is showing 231 to 204 My favorite was CNN - "With 1% of the vote in, we project democratic candidate _________ to win" I don't recall which race it was, but it was very funny. at least they rcognize their viewers Edit: OH, and "Wolf" Blitzer repeatedly calling some republican named (sorry - phoenetically here) Chay-fee/Chaffee/Chafee but he'd say "Cheney". The CNN panel seemed balanced, but the lead broadcasters were very left-sympathethic. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 November 8, 2006 Quote1. Reduce costs by reducing employees. 2. Reduce costs by running more efficiently. 3. Raise prices to afford the added cost. The goal of #2 is to specifically enable #1 (in terms of productivity per employee type of metric, it would be direct employee reduction if the demand was stable) - they are essentially the same action. You can only cash in an efficiency improvement one employee at a time - (i.e., you can't really layoff 0.5 manyears) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #23 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteFox is showing 217 to 217.. trying to sugar coat the numbers for the faithful... MSNBC is showing 231 to 204 My favorite was CNN - "With 1% of the vote in, we project democratic candidate _________ to win" I don't recall which race it was, but it was very funny. . Were they right? They have very sophisticated statistical models, and 1% is still a very large sample. Larger than any Gallup poll.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #24 November 8, 2006 QuoteBack to that old quote.. "It's the economy, stupid!" That was James Carville’s statement to Clinton about GHW Bush after Clinton defeated him in 92, so what’s your point? Yes it is the economy, stupid, that’s why Clinton won and that’s why the Repubs have been run out of town by the droves. can’t understand your point. This, “jack-me-off” that I always seem to get with the tired, “raise taxes, no money in circulation, economy stagnates, bla, bla, bla” is w/o ANY substance, whatsoever. OK, it sounds nice on paper, but IT DOESN”T FLOURISH IN APPLICATION. 26 years of going from 1T debt to 8.5T debt with 1 Dem in-between to turn it horizontal; where’s your goods bro? I would expect that philosophy from a 22YO new college grad listening to a conservative economics instructor, but these theories need to be tested in application as any good scientist would do, and it has failed. If our acft engineers used that philosophy they would design and build an acft, then just put it into service w/o any testing, as it worked on CAD/CAM and the wind tunnel. Same with pharmaceuticals, no need to test them, just make em, they show to work on paper. SHOW ME THE RESULTS OF SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS AND HOW THEY’VE WORKED FOR ANY SUSTAINED TIME AND ALL BYPRODUCT RESULTS ON THE ECONOMY. Quote(Note for Lucky: THAT is the function of businesses...making money for their shareholders, not giving it away.) Thank you so god damned much, that is my point as to why we’re fascist/corporatist; we let them write our laws and run the gov like a business, denying people healthcare because it’s better for business, no consideration for people. Socialist countries have a leaning toward their people before business. Americans are waking up, how did it take so fucking ling….. Assuming the 2000, 2004 elections weren’t fixed. That’s funny, I didn’t read this as I was wroting the above. YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, BUT INVERSE. Do I need to post that graph for 100th time? The debt has gone up huge under Regan/Bush, turned horizontal under Clinton, turned vertical again, even steeper under GW Bush. Dude, you are so out of gas, this is not 1 presidency that I’m using, this is 26 years and 4 different admins, 3 of the 4 using your model, 1 using mine. Bizarre how you can’t / won’t see this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #25 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteBack to that old quote.. "It's the economy, stupid!" . Do you have any idea of the extent to which we are in debt to the Chinese, the Japanese, and the Europeans? Our "booming economy" is NOT based on our own work, it's based on borrowing.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
