Amazon 7 #76 November 7, 2006 QuoteWe can play this game all day... how about we compromise and say there's shitbags on both sides of the aisle? I fully agree and think if they do not follow what is acceptable in our society.. then they need to be gotten rid of.... BUT.. dredging up 20 to 30 year old shit to try to whitewash your selves of the same shit that is currently flowing is a pretty bad move. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #77 November 7, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe can play this game all day... how about we compromise and say there's shitbags on both sides of the aisle? I fully agree and think if they do not follow what is acceptable in our society.. then they need to be gotten rid of.... BUT.. dredging up 20 to 30 year old shit to try to whitewash your selves of the same shit that is currently flowing is a pretty bad move. More currently, Pelosi, Reid, et al couldn't get enough coverage to talk about the "Culture of Corruption". Oddly, the issue practically disappeared once they own indiscrections were exposed. Here are a couple of other slimes who were barely noticed. Jim Traficant (D-OH) Robert Torricelli (D-NJ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #78 November 7, 2006 >More currently, Pelosi, Reid, et al couldn't get enough coverage >to talk about the "Culture of Corruption". So the right wing media didn't cover their speeches. And this is evidence of . . . what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #79 November 7, 2006 Quote>More currently, Pelosi, Reid, et al couldn't get enough coverage >to talk about the "Culture of Corruption". So the right wing media didn't cover their speeches. And this is evidence of . . . what? No one said the "right wing media" didn't cover their speeches. My point (that some seemed to miss) is that when the Abramhoff scandal first broke, leading Democrats were talking about it every chance they got. THEY WERE ALL OVER THE MEDIA!!! Once their own dirty laundry started showing up, the issue became a non-issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #80 November 7, 2006 >Once their own dirty laundry started showing up, the issue became a non-issue. Right. And when the Kerry thing broke, it was all over the media. Now it's not. Does that mean that when the republican's dirty laundry became apparent, they suddenly decided it was a non-issue? Or was it just that the Kerry thing became old news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #81 November 7, 2006 Wow. The Kerry situation was nothing more than an embarassing gaffe, that ran out of steam as soon as Kerry made a decent apology. The supposed "Culture of Corruption" is a problem that isn't just going to go away. It needs to be addressed. Do you really think it was pure coincidence that the Dems dropped this issue right after their own suspect practices started getting attention? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #82 November 7, 2006 Quote...And when the Kerry thing broke, it was all over the media... It was hard for the drive-by media to ignore it, but they did try to both ignore it and minimize the importance of it: (From Fox's Special Report with Brit Hume, 11/1) Not Headline News? The John Kerry flap may have been the major political story yesterday, but you might not have known that from the newspaper coverage. Not a single front-page headline in The New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal or USA Today. The Times cast it as a chance for the President to attack Kerry. Not until the 15th paragraph, on page 18, does a reader learn what Kerry actually said. The Washington Post put the whole story on page 8. Both the Los Angeles Times and The Wall Street Journal put the Kerry flap on a par with the incident in which some of Virginia GOP Senator George Allen's supporters roughed up a heckler after an Allen event. And on ABC News, the Kerry flap was described as "an object lesson in how in this day and age an idle political remark gets seized upon." Meanwhile the non-partisan Center for Media and Public Affairs has analyzed stories about the elections during the seven weeks since Labor Day on the evening newscasts of the three broadcast networks. It reports 77 percent of on-air evaluations of Democratic candidates and members of Congress were positive — and 88 percent of the references to Republicans were negative. The study says there were 167 election stories during that time — compared to just 35 during the same period in 2002. And the ABC News Political Director Mark Halperin says well over 70 percent of the people working on his network's political coverage are liberal, and would vote Democratic. Halperin tells radio host Hugh Hewitt that the preponderance of liberal thought in media organizations is an endemic problem. And he says it is why, "for 40 years conservatives have rightly felt that we did not give them a fair shake."People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #83 November 7, 2006 >The supposed "Culture of Corruption" is a problem that isn't just >going to go away. It needs to be addressed. Agreed. >Do you really think it was pure coincidence that the Dems dropped > this issue right after their own suspect practices started getting > attention? They didn't drop it. Heck, they are CAMPAIGNING on it. Busby just gave a speech about corruption in Cunningham's and Bilbray's offices. Pelosi Nov 3rd: "House Republican leaders have a long pattern of covering up and protecting Republican Members, and their culture of corruption comes at great cost to the American people." Tester Nov 4th - Tester has tried throughout the Senate campaign to link Burns to a ‘‘culture of corruption’’ in Washington. . . .‘‘It doesn’t smell right,’’ said Tester in a telephone interview Friday. ‘‘It’s not the way representative government is supposed to work.’’ The reason you think that it was dropped is because the media has found fresh meat. The Ney resignation. The Foley scandal. Hastert. Haggard. Saddam's verdict. That's what people want to read about, so that's what gets on the news. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #84 November 7, 2006 Mice are fun to feed to housecats.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #85 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? One more....here in Arkansas a person can't buy a beer on (you guessed it) SUNDAY! Arghhhhh. Not to mention that about half the state is dry anyway. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? One more....here in Arkansas a person can't buy a beer on (you guessed it) SUNDAY! Arghhhhh. Not to mention that about half the state is dry anyway. linz Then get a referendum to change it. I'm pretty sure those laws were in place prior to Jan 2000.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #87 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? Terri Schiavo, abortion, stem cell research [feeble_reply] Schiavo - please show me where it says "God says it is bad" in [snip hot air] But again, that doesn't make for as good of a Bush-bash... [/feeble_reply] Well you lost. Seems like most of the country thinks Bush is full of shit, this "will of god" BS is just another thing that pisses me off about him and some other members of the GOP. Did I mention you lost :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #88 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? Terri Schiavo, abortion, stem cell research [feeble_reply] Schiavo - please show me where it says "God says it is bad" in [snip hot air] But again, that doesn't make for as good of a Bush-bash... [/feeble_reply] Well you lost. Seems like most of the country thinks Bush is full of shit, this "will of god" BS is just another thing that pisses me off about him and some other members of the GOP. Did I mention you lost :) Ah, so you didn't have any proof of it... just juvenile ranting. Gotcha.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #89 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? Terri Schiavo, abortion, stem cell research [feeble_reply] Schiavo - please show me where it says "God says it is bad" in [snip hot air] But again, that doesn't make for as good of a Bush-bash... [/feeble_reply] Well you lost. Seems like most of the country thinks Bush is full of shit, this "will of god" BS is just another thing that pisses me off about him and some other members of the GOP. Did I mention you lost :) Ah, so you didn't have any proof of it... just juvenile ranting. Gotcha. Proof, what is the point, you never believe aything anyone says that does not support your position, you only see the GOP mantra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #90 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuote[ Ah, so you didn't have any proof of it... just juvenile ranting. Gotcha. Proof, what is the point, you never believe aything anyone says that does not support your position, you only see the GOP mantra. Sucks when someone wants proof instead of just rhetoric, huh? As for the GOP thing... I've *never* registered as a Republican. I vote based on issues, not parties.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #91 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? One more....here in Arkansas a person can't buy a beer on (you guessed it) SUNDAY! Arghhhhh. Not to mention that about half the state is dry anyway. linz Then get a referendum to change it. I'm pretty sure those laws were in place prior to Jan 2000. Sure it was. That's irrelevant. Christians have been pushing their faith by legislating morality for a long time. It's certainly not a new problem.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #92 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote What I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. And what laws would those be? One more....here in Arkansas a person can't buy a beer on (you guessed it) SUNDAY! Arghhhhh. Not to mention that about half the state is dry anyway. linz Then get a referendum to change it. I'm pretty sure those laws were in place prior to Jan 2000. Sure it was. That's irrelevant. Christians have been pushing their faith by legislating morality for a long time. It's certainly not a new problem. And I'm sure that the Christians (and every other religious group) could say the same thing if a law didn't go their way. Republic — A state in which the sovereign power resides in a certain body of the people (the electorate), and is exercised by representatives elected by, and responsible to, them. "This aint no damn democracy." *cue Lucky to come into the thread and wail about fascism*Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #93 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteThen get a referendum to change it. I'm pretty sure those laws were in place prior to Jan 2000. Sure it was. That's irrelevant. Christians have been pushing their faith by legislating morality for a long time. It's certainly not a new problem. I'm guessing this has been the norm for about 217 years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #94 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThen get a referendum to change it. I'm pretty sure those laws were in place prior to Jan 2000. Sure it was. That's irrelevant. Christians have been pushing their faith by legislating morality for a long time. It's certainly not a new problem. I'm guessing this has been the norm for about 217 years. Typical! The rest of the world doesn't count. Ever hear of the Holy Roman Empire? The Spanish Inquisition?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #95 November 8, 2006 How did we get get from: QuoteWhat I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. To: QuoteTypical! The rest of the world doesn't count. Ever hear of the Holy Roman Empire? The Spanish Inquisition? Non sequitur? There are other logical fallacies besides the oh so popular "strawman". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #96 November 8, 2006 QuoteHow did we get get from: QuoteWhat I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. To: QuoteTypical! The rest of the world doesn't count. Ever hear of the Holy Roman Empire? The Spanish Inquisition? Non sequitur? There are other logical fallacies besides the oh so popular "strawman". Very "sequitur", you just need to cast aside the US-centric blinkers ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #97 November 8, 2006 QuoteUS-centric blinkers you mean those lights on cars that no one uses any more? They are as evil as stoplights, timed entrance ramps, and car pool lanes. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #98 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteUS-centric blinkers you mean those lights on cars that no one uses any more? They are as evil as stoplights, timed entrance ramps, and car pool lanes. TRAFFIC LIGHTS are evil, the rest are just bad.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #99 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow did we get get from: QuoteWhat I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. To: QuoteTypical! The rest of the world doesn't count. Ever hear of the Holy Roman Empire? The Spanish Inquisition? Non sequitur? There are other logical fallacies besides the oh so popular "strawman". Very "sequitur", you just need to cast aside the US-centric blinkers That might make sense if the discussion wasn't about the US government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #100 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow did we get get from: QuoteWhat I do have a problem with is this gov't making things illegal because God says it is bad. To: QuoteTypical! The rest of the world doesn't count. Ever hear of the Holy Roman Empire? The Spanish Inquisition? Non sequitur? There are other logical fallacies besides the oh so popular "strawman". Very "sequitur", you just need to cast aside the US-centric blinkers That might make sense if the discussion wasn't about the US government. Actually it's about the resignation of a GOP scumbag, take a look at the title . But since Christians forcing their agenda on the rest of us came up as a topic in the discussion, the Inquisition is fair game. If you don't like it you can volunteer your services as a greenie.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
