mnealtx 0 #26 November 6, 2006 QuoteThat is how I understood his posts -- thus my initial question that he sidetracked with my mistyping/spelling. No, that's not hypocrisy, guys...that's a Quoterightful double standard ...just ask Lucky.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #27 November 6, 2006 QuoteSo I can't type. I meant MORALITY. Yes, many in the GOP are hypoctites. I'm an independent, so I'm not defending the GOP whatsoever. I just wantto understand your position. Is it if you don't preach morality you (Democrats) can pretty much do as you please? That is the take I get from your posts. I'm sure that as a minister (you are, right?) you can differentiate between laws, ethics and morals. We are all obliged to obey laws. We voluntarily accept codes of ethics of our professions or organizations, but having accepted them we should abide by them. Morals are purely internally generated. Only one party claims to have a monopoly on moral rectitude and wishes to impose its version on all of us, and that's the GOP. So when the GOP gets caught with its pants down over infractions of its own moral code, it deserves the "HYPOCRITE" label. When even FOX News runs an article highlighting the hypocrisy in the GOP, it should tell you something.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #28 November 6, 2006 That is what most of us are understanding from his comments. How long until he answer the question without actually answering it?"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 November 6, 2006 QuoteI know kallend can fend for himself. I am just trying to figure out of maybe you responded to a different post?? Where in god's name did he say Democrats do not have to obey the law? What we have here......is a failure to communicate...especially when the right wing can not read what is written. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #30 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI know kallend can fend for himself. I am just trying to figure out of maybe you responded to a different post?? Where in god's name did he say Democrats do not have to obey the law? What we have here......is a failure to communicate...especially when the right wing can not read what is written. They can read it. They just can't admit to reading it because it destroys the only argument they have.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #31 November 6, 2006 Funny is how those readers asking to read fail to see that most of the people in his party were enfurated by his not resigning months ago. So much for suport from the GOP, isn't it? Do you see the same response when someone on the other side of the aisle committs a crime Kallend? Because there are many in these forum that don't see that happening."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #32 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt's a sign of desperation when you have to fabricate your opponents' positions in order to have something to attack. You're the one that admitted what your standards are. To which post do you refer? I think my standards are quite clear - I do not like crooks, pedophiles or hypocrites. You apparently don't like crooks or pedophiles but are OK with hypocrites. I guess I just have higher expectations than you What matters is that Ney was a crook. The fact that he is also a hypocrite is unimportant in comparison. So, as you said about Daley, he makes no pretense about not being a crook, so he is not a hypocrite. Of course Daley and other elected Democrats would not admit to that (although their actions do make their tolerance of crooks/pedophiles in their midst quite clear), but it is insightful that you would admit to it. If a Dem congressman had committed the same acts as Ney did, would Democrats be expecting him to resign? Unless you are prepared to say no, then your complaint about hypocrisy is not relevant. If you say yes, then you would rightly face criticism for low standards. You can't actually find any place where I wrote what you claim so you continue with the bluster. I do not approve of crooks, pedophiles, dopers or hypocrites. I am sure you don't approve of crooks, pedophiles, or dopers, but you sure seem to approve of hypocrites. And just FYI, I support neither Daley (Dem), Stroger (Dem) nor Blagojevitch (Dem) in Illinois, because I think they are crooks although none of them have yet been indicted.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #33 November 6, 2006 QuoteFunny is how those readers asking to read fail to see that most of the people in his party were enfurated by his not resigning months ago. So much for suport from the GOP, isn't it? Do you see the same response when someone on the other side of the aisle committs a crime Kallend? Because there are many in these forum that don't see that happening. I do not approve of crooks, pedophiles, dopers or hypocrites. I am sure you don't approve of crooks, pedophiles, or dopers, but you sure seem to approve of hypocrites.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #34 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo I can't type. I meant MORALITY. Yes, many in the GOP are hypoctites. I'm an independent, so I'm not defending the GOP whatsoever. I just wantto understand your position. Is it if you don't preach morality you (Democrats) can pretty much do as you please? That is the take I get from your posts. I'm sure that as a minister (you are, right?) you can differentiate between laws, ethics and morals. We are all obliged to obey laws. We voluntarily accept codes of ethics of our professions or organizations, but having accepted them we should abide by them. Morals are purely internally generated. Only one party claims to have a monopoly on moral rectitude and wishes to impose its version on all of us, and that's the GOP. So when the GOP gets caught with its pants down over infractions of its own moral code, it deserves the "HYPOCRITE" label. When even FOX News runs an article highlighting the hypocrisy in the GOP, it should tell you something. You are the one that picked on Ney's crime. Yes, what Ney did was a crime. Exactly what moral standards that have been violated by Repubs would the Dems exclude themselves from following.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #35 November 6, 2006 QuoteIs it if you don't preach morality you (Democrats) can pretty much do as you please? That is the take I get from your posts.No. But the job performance should take precedence over the personal life when it comes to making a decision about whom to vote for. If you include morality in your job performance (which you do when including it in speeches, and legislation), then it becomes part of the job performance you wish to be judged on. If you don't (by sticking to school finance or bridges to nowhere), then criticism on the school finance or bridge to nowhere is more topical. If morality issues are great enough to interfere with the ability to lead, then it's a general issue. Until then, it's something that matters to some more than others. That line is in different places for different people. Some people will only listen to someone whom they can look up to on unrelated life issues. Others don't care. People are different. And one difference between the liberatives and the conservals seems to be their acceptance of what's OK. Especially for the other guy. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #36 November 6, 2006 I'm tolerant about that kind of flaw, as it is common norm that society by itself is very hypocritical. How many stories have you heard when people have money they have a lot of friends, and when they go bankrupt, they have none? That is not a crime. What really irks me, is that if a person is a crook, committs a crime, they should resign and be prosecuted, and not defended at partisan level."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #37 November 6, 2006 Quote Exactly what moral standards that have been violated by Repubs would the Dems exclude themselves from following. Morals are purely internally generated. GOP does not have the right to dictate anyone else's morality except its own, although it likes to tell all of us how to behave. So when the GOP gets caught with its pants down over infractions of its own moral code, it deserves the "HYPOCRITE" label.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #38 November 6, 2006 I'm not sure why you are being so obtuse about my question. Morality, while somewhat internally generated, there are certain moral codes most people have in a certain society. Being honest, faithful to your spouse, etc. are among those that most Americans prescribe to. However, you come across as one who believes it is okay for democrats to be immoral (from what most people believe is moral) as long as they don't say they have morals to begin with. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #39 November 6, 2006 QuoteI'm tolerant about that kind of flaw, as it is common norm that society by itself is very hypocritical. How many stories have you heard when people have money they have a lot of friends, and when they go bankrupt, they have none? That is not a crime. What really irks me, is that if a person is a crook, committs a crime, they should resign and be prosecuted, and not defended at partisan level. Are you suggesting that all congressmen, governors, mayors, etc., should resign. I'm sure all of them have committed a crime at some level. If on the other hand you'd like it proven, then you have to wait until they are found guilty by a court. However, hypocrisy is easy to see, and we are seeing it in the GOP right now.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #40 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuote Exactly what moral standards that have been violated by Repubs would the Dems exclude themselves from following. Morals are purely internally generated. GOP does not have the right to dictate anyone else's morality except its own, although it likes to tell all of us how to behave. So when the GOP gets caught with its pants down over infractions of its own moral code, it deserves the "HYPOCRITE" label. Why not just answer the question? You're the one that decided to pick on Ney for his crime, making a big deal about hypocrisy.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #41 November 6, 2006 The question about party hyposcrisy (and both parties CLAIM to be the ones in the right and more moral than the other) is simple: If you want to wallow in generalizing an entire group of people based on the action of an individual from that party, you are likely wrong. You need to wallow in generalizing an entire group of people based on their REACTION to the action of an individual in that party. That would then characterize some myth of a 'party' set of standards better. Not that I don't enjoy bashing the political system as a whole....... or as a hole...... but this is just an excuse for more partisan hackery - though we are a bit thin in SC in this kind of thing.. edit: the republican 'party' can correctly claim to be the "party of morality". they don't have to be truly moral, they just have to be incrementally more moral than the competition by even the tiniest amount and it's a valid claim the dems aren't 'just as bad', they are worse as they defend their assholes that get caught. The GOP alienates theirs (at least once they get caught.) I'd call that incrementally, for public viewing anyway, more moral (on the surface). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #42 November 6, 2006 QuoteI'm not sure why you are being so obtuse about my question. Morality, while somewhat internally generated, there are certain moral codes most people have in a certain society. Being honest, faithful to your spouse, etc. are among those that most Americans prescribe to. However, you come across as one who believes it is okay for democrats to be immoral (from what most people believe is moral) as long as they don't say they have morals to begin with. If you put yourself on a pedestal and then fail to live up to your own hype, you deserve to be criticized as a hypocrite. The GOP has done that, and the Dems have not. The GOP has not shown itself to be any more moral than the Democrats, but it claims that it is. Whenever a GOP moral failure occurs, the defense is "Well, the Dems are just as bad". I'm sure the Dems ARE just as bad, but the Dems have not been puffing out their chests and claiming moral ascendancy like the GOP has.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #43 November 6, 2006 Quoteedit: the republican 'party' can correctly claim to be the "party of morality". they don't have to be truly moral, they just have to be incrementally more moral than the competition by even the tiniest amount and it's a valid claim So I guess their RUBBER STAMPING all the crap( right wing legislation) that has been put out by their masters in the white house has NOTHING at all to do with the perception.... uh huh....riiiiiiigggghhhhttttt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #44 November 6, 2006 QuoteThe question about party hyposcrisy (and both parties CLAIM to be the ones in the right and more moral than the other) is simple: .. No they don't. The GOP claims "Family Values" as its own. The rest of your post is, therefore, moot. It's all about pretending to be something that you are not. In the moral realm this appears to be the monopoly of the GOP.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #45 November 6, 2006 Dr. Kallend: What sort of housepets do you have?Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #46 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm not sure why you are being so obtuse about my question. Morality, while somewhat internally generated, there are certain moral codes most people have in a certain society. Being honest, faithful to your spouse, etc. are among those that most Americans prescribe to. However, you come across as one who believes it is okay for democrats to be immoral (from what most people believe is moral) as long as they don't say they have morals to begin with. If you put yourself on a pedestal and then fail to live up to your own hype, you deserve to be criticized as a hypocrite. The GOP has done that, and the Dems have not. The GOP has not shown itself to be any more moral than the Democrats, but it claims that it is. Whenever a GOP moral failure occurs, the defense is "Well, the Dems are just as bad". I'm sure the Dems ARE just as bad, but the Dems have not been puffing out their chests and claiming moral ascendancy like the GOP has. Well, I suppose that some how makes you feel better about yourself or your party (DEMS) but it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #47 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure why you are being so obtuse about my question. Morality, while somewhat internally generated, there are certain moral codes most people have in a certain society. Being honest, faithful to your spouse, etc. are among those that most Americans prescribe to. However, you come across as one who believes it is okay for democrats to be immoral (from what most people believe is moral) as long as they don't say they have morals to begin with. If you put yourself on a pedestal and then fail to live up to your own hype, you deserve to be criticized as a hypocrite. The GOP has done that, and the Dems have not. The GOP has not shown itself to be any more moral than the Democrats, but it claims that it is. Whenever a GOP moral failure occurs, the defense is "Well, the Dems are just as bad". I'm sure the Dems ARE just as bad, but the Dems have not been puffing out their chests and claiming moral ascendancy like the GOP has. Well, I suppose that some how makes you feel better about yourself or your party (DEMS) but it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. You don't know what my party is, just that it isn't the GOP. It should leave a bitter taste know that YOUR party has its share of crooks, pedophiles, liars and hypocrites.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #48 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe question about party hyposcrisy (and both parties CLAIM to be the ones in the right and more moral than the other) is simple: .. No they don't. The GOP claims "Family Values" as its own. The rest of your post is, therefore, moot. It's all about pretending to be something that you are not. In the moral realm this appears to be the monopoly of the GOP. your first sentence is wrong, therefore the rest of your post is moot ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #49 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe question about party hyposcrisy (and both parties CLAIM to be the ones in the right and more moral than the other) is simple: .. No they don't. The GOP claims "Family Values" as its own. The rest of your post is, therefore, moot. It's all about pretending to be something that you are not. In the moral realm this appears to be the monopoly of the GOP. your first sentence is wrong, therefore the rest of your post is moot your first sentence is wrong, therefore the rest of your post is moot... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #50 November 6, 2006 your dog has fleas. finding 10 of them takes about 10 seconds - which happens to be a decent delay between groups when the uppers are low ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
