kallend 2,182 #1 November 4, 2006 Good riddance. www.columbusdispatch.com/?story=dispatch/2006/11/04/20061104-A1-01.html... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 November 4, 2006 Yup... and yet, "Dirty Harry" Reid still gets a pass from the "mainstream" media...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #3 November 4, 2006 QuoteYup... and yet, "Dirty Harry" Reid still gets a pass from the "mainstream" media... How come you forgot to mention Willy's BJ? When you set yourselves up as the party of moral rectitude, saying "the other guys are just as bad" when you're caught doesn't make a good defense.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteYup... and yet, "Dirty Harry" Reid still gets a pass from the "mainstream" media... How come you forgot to mention Willy's BJ? When you set yourselves up as the party of moral rectitude, saying "the other guys are just as bad" when you're caught doesn't make a good defense. Neither does saying "our guys can do it, but yours can't", regardless of how the other guys set themselves up. I guess "equality under the law" (as in, being punished for wrongdoing) only applies if you're a Republican. *eta: I could give a flyin rat's ass about Bj getting a bj... I *do*, however, care that he lied under oath about it* slight takeoff from '94: "It's the perjury, stupid!"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #5 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteYup... and yet, "Dirty Harry" Reid still gets a pass from the "mainstream" media... How come you forgot to mention Willy's BJ? When you set yourselves up as the party of moral rectitude, saying "the other guys are just as bad" when you're caught doesn't make a good defense. Yes, Clinton did get a BJ from an intern (like a teacher/student relationship, or congressman/page relationship - usually that is not considered acceptable). He also had credible evidence accusing him of being a rapist, sexual imposition & harassment, making advances to a woman on the day of her husband's death, having the Arkansas state police help him cheat on his wife... The article you linked concerning the resignation of Rep. Ney includes a few quotes from his Republican colleagues and leadership that make it clear that they wanted him to quit a long time ago: "It’s about damn time," said Robert T. Bennett, chairman of the Ohio Republican Party. Where are the calls for William Jefferson, Democratic member of the House of Representatives from Louisiana to resign? Does the fact that the Democratic party does not make set high standards for themselves make this OK? The Democratic Party - The party of lower expectations.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #6 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteYup... and yet, "Dirty Harry" Reid still gets a pass from the "mainstream" media... How come you forgot to mention Willy's BJ? When you set yourselves up as the party of moral rectitude, saying "the other guys are just as bad" when you're caught doesn't make a good defense. So saying you're the party where mortality doesn't matter gives you a pass? Give me a break! steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #7 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteYup... and yet, "Dirty Harry" Reid still gets a pass from the "mainstream" media... How come you forgot to mention Willy's BJ? When you set yourselves up as the party of moral rectitude, saying "the other guys are just as bad" when you're caught doesn't make a good defense. So saying you're the party where mortality doesn't matter gives you a pass? Give me a break! Try reading what I wrote one more time. I wrote MORALITY, not MORTALITY. One party trumpets "Family Values" over and over, while recent events demonstrate that it does not practice what it preaches. THAT, my friend, is the the very definition of hypocrisy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #8 November 6, 2006 You imply that it is worthwhile to not set a high standard. Your complaints about hypocrisy are meaningless unless you are prepared to say that it would be OK for a Democrat to commit the same offense. Then you would have to explain why your standards are so low. The Democrats, the party of lower expectations. Where are the calls from Dem leadership for William Jefferson's resignation? Isn't what he did bad enough to pass even the Dem's threshold of expectations?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #9 November 6, 2006 QuoteYou imply that it is worthwhile to not set a high standard. Your complaints about hypocrisy are meaningless unless you are prepared to say that it would be OK for a Democrat to commit the same offense. Then you would have to explain why your standards are so low. The Democrats, the party of lower expectations. Where are the calls from Dem leadership for William Jefferson's resignation? Isn't what he did bad enough to pass even the Dem's threshold of expectations? Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning small, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 November 6, 2006 http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2003-06/8306315.pdfMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #11 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteYou imply that it is worthwhile to not set a high standard. Your complaints about hypocrisy are meaningless unless you are prepared to say that it would be OK for a Democrat to commit the same offense. Then you would have to explain why your standards are so low. The Democrats, the party of lower expectations. Where are the calls from Dem leadership for William Jefferson's resignation? Isn't what he did bad enough to pass even the Dem's threshold of expectations? Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning small, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself. You had some reason to suspect that the definition of hypocrisy was in dispute? If a Dem congressman had committed the same acts as Ney did, would he be expected to resign? Unless you are prepared to say no, then your complaint is not relevant. I've asked a simple question, are you willing to answer it?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #12 November 6, 2006 Hypocrisy is about not practising what you preach. The GOP has recently shown itself to be full of hypocrites. Chicago's Mayor Daley may be a crook but he is not a hypocrite, for he makes no pretence. Stubbs was a creep, but not a hypocrite. Foley and Haggard and their defenders in the party of "Family Values" ARE hypocrites.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #13 November 6, 2006 Quote Hypocrisy is about not practising what you preach. The GOP has recently shown itself to be full of hypocrites. Chicago's Mayor Daley may be a crook but he is not a hypocrite, for he makes no pretence. Stubbs was a creep, but not a hypocrite. Foley and Haggard and their defenders in the party of "Family Values" ARE hypocrites. Thanks for making your position clear. I would have thought that even Democrats would have agreed that they should obey the law. That would include laws regarding stealing and those involving pedophilia/child predator type of stuff. But, you've made it clear what your standards are, and what you think the standards of Democrats in general are. It is absolutely amazing that you're willing to admit that. If, for instance, a Republican congressman that opposed abortion was found to have had an abortion, that would be a case where a complaint of hypocrisy would be valid, but to admit that they don't even have standards that prohibit stealing or having sex with an underage page, that is really something! Thanks.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 November 6, 2006 QuoteThanks for making your position clear. I would have thought that even Democrats would have agreed that they should obey the law. That would include laws regarding stealing and those involving pedophilia/child predator type of stuff I know kallend can fend for himself. I am just trying to figure out of maybe you responded to a different post?? Where in god's name did he say Democrats do not have to obey the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #15 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteThanks for making your position clear. I would have thought that even Democrats would have agreed that they should obey the law. That would include laws regarding stealing and those involving pedophilia/child predator type of stuff I know kallend can fend for himself. I am just trying to figure out of maybe you responded to a different post?? Where in god's name did he say Democrats do not have to obey the law? I didn't. He had to make that up because he cannot defend his own position. It's a sign of desperation when you have to fabricate your opponents' positions in order to have something to attack.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #16 November 6, 2006 QuoteWhere in god's name did he say Democrats do not have to obey the law? He didn't actually say they didn't have to obey the law, just that in his opinion he is not a hypocrite. It was quite clear in his post: QuoteChicago's Mayor Daley may be a crook but he is not a hypocrite, for he makes no pretense. Stubbs was a creep, but not a hypocrite. I'm not actually sure that what Stubbs did was a crime, I don't know how the age of consent affects that. Stubbs was vigorously defended by his colleagues, though, and was thoroughly defiant of the criticism for having sex with an underage page. Although the Dems defended Stubbs back then, I don't think they would actually admit to having the same low standards as Kallend. Instead of admitting to the low standards, they just tolerate without much complaint the crooks of their party such as William Jefferson.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #17 November 6, 2006 QuoteIt's a sign of desperation when you have to fabricate your opponents' positions in order to have something to attack. You're the one that admitted what your standards are. Aren't you willing to defend your position?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #18 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's a sign of desperation when you have to fabricate your opponents' positions in order to have something to attack. You're the one that admitted what your standards are. To which post do you refer? I think my standards are quite clear - I do not like crooks, pedophiles or hypocrites. You apparently don't like crooks or pedophiles but are OK with hypocrites. I guess I just have higher expectations than you ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #19 November 6, 2006 QuoteAlthough the Dems defended Stubbs back then, I don't think they would actually admit to having the same low standards as Kallend. Instead of admitting to the low standards, they just tolerate without much complaint the crooks of their party such as William Jefferson. He was talking about some being sypocrites because of their public stances on matters and others merely being idiots or creeps. Where in there do you find anything about crime, legallity or illigality, defendability etc? Calling somebody a hypocrite says nothing about the action calle dout being legal or illegal or if the person should go to prison. It just means that they talk big, but can't back it up with their own actions. The current administration has been caught in that, telling the american people how easy a victory in Iraq will be. Now a decent share of Republican politicians and sympathisers are getting caught the same way....they say one thing and do the exact opposite.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #20 November 6, 2006 I don't think so. Apparently for the Dems, it is ok to be a pedophile, thief, etc, as long as you don't speak out against those issues they are guilty of. If you follow this rule, you will be defended, and maintain your elected position, without the need to resign. So far, seems that the Hypocrisy is far more binding rule of law than is a criminal offense."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #21 November 6, 2006 So I can't type. I meant MORALITY. Yes, many in the GOP are hypoctites. I'm an independent, so I'm not defending the GOP whatsoever. I just wantto understand your position. Is it if you don't preach morality you (Democrats) can pretty much do as you please? That is the take I get from your posts. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #22 November 6, 2006 QuoteI don't think so. Apparently for the Dems, it is ok to be a pedophile, thief, etc, as long as you don't speak out against those issues they are guilty of. If you follow this rule, you will be defended, and maintain your elected position, without the need to resign. So far, seems that the Hypocrisy is far more binding rule of law than is a criminal offense. Right now it seems the majority of offenses are coming from the "conservatives" so there's no conflict... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #23 November 6, 2006 They resign, and are not backed up by the party, unlike what seems to be a democratic common denominator, everything is ok unless you are not speaking openly against those offenses you committ. You make clear that regardless of the crime, you are willing to support those criminals to maintain their elected position. Thanks for the insight."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #24 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's a sign of desperation when you have to fabricate your opponents' positions in order to have something to attack. You're the one that admitted what your standards are. To which post do you refer? I think my standards are quite clear - I do not like crooks, pedophiles or hypocrites. You apparently don't like crooks or pedophiles but are OK with hypocrites. I guess I just have higher expectations than you What matters is that Ney was a crook. The fact that he is also a hypocrite is unimportant in comparison. So, as you said about Daley, he makes no pretense about not being a crook, so he is not a hypocrite. Of course Daley and other elected Democrats would not admit to that (although their actions do make their tolerance of crooks/pedophiles in their midst quite clear), but it is insightful that you would admit to it. If a Dem congressman had committed the same acts as Ney did, would Democrats be expecting him to resign? Unless you are prepared to say no, then your complaint about hypocrisy is not relevant. If you say yes, then you would rightly face criticism for low standards.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #25 November 6, 2006 QuoteThey resign, and are not backed up by the party, unlike what seems to be a democratic common denominator, everything is ok unless you are not speaking openly against those offenses you committ. You make clear that regardless of the crime, you are willing to support those criminals to maintain their elected position. Thanks for the insight That is how I understood his posts -- thus my initial question that he sidetracked with my mistyping/spelling. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
