kallend 2,148 #176 November 8, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteand, in the end, isn't clarity and understanding of each other our final goal? No well - thanks for settling that Why don't you read what was actually written instead of criticizing your own straw man?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #177 November 8, 2006 you first ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #178 November 8, 2006 QuoteIN the end seems that many posters are ok with pedophiles getting a standing ovation. UYh weren't you guys slobbering all over the fact tha Foley had made advances to young men who were over the age limit so it was therefore legal??????? You would think that applies to the thing 20 or 30 years ago too.. Personally I think its creepy for a 50 some year old guy to be hitting on 16 year old boys.... If you do not like that sort of thing ... raise the age limit...otherwise.. its more of a sexual harrasment issue than one of pedophilia. If they are found guilty of a sexual predator statute... CONVICT THEM and send them to a federal pound them in the ass prison. BUT when you have a member of the Morality Party.. who steps up to protect our young people from predators... and then abuses that trust.... and does exactly what it was he was in charge of protecting that from... and then his leadership who knows about it covers it up for political expediency...to protect others in the Morality party.... who campaigned on family values and morality.... people CAN and DO see just how corrupt that party has become. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #179 November 8, 2006 QuoteCONVICT THEM and send them to a federal pound them in the ass prison. even though they might enjoy that, at least it gets them out of circulation ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #180 November 8, 2006 It sure does..... personally I would like to see a life sentence for pedophiles since so many of them have ZERO fear of the repercussions of their actions that sentence others to a life sentence of remembering their crap.. and the prison can be on some of the Aluetian Islands..put ALL of them in one place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #181 November 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteIN the end seems that many posters are ok with pedophiles getting a standing ovation. UYh weren't you guys slobbering all over the fact tha Foley had made advances to young men who were over the age limit so it was therefore legal??????? You would think that applies to the thing 20 or 30 years ago too.. Communications with former page over age of consent (Foley) != SEX with underage, current page (Studds). Of course, Studds was a Dem, so what he did in his private life was "none of our business"...right?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #182 November 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIN the end seems that many posters are ok with pedophiles getting a standing ovation. UYh weren't you guys slobbering all over the fact tha Foley had made advances to young men who were over the age limit so it was therefore legal??????? You would think that applies to the thing 20 or 30 years ago too.. Communications with former page over age of consent (Foley) != SEX with underage, current page (Studds). Of course, Studds was a Dem, so what he did in his private life was "none of our business"...right? You could always try the truly novel approach of responding to what people actually write instead of what you would have liked them to write.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #183 November 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIN the end seems that many posters are ok with pedophiles getting a standing ovation. UYh weren't you guys slobbering all over the fact tha Foley had made advances to young men who were over the age limit so it was therefore legal??????? You would think that applies to the thing 20 or 30 years ago too.. Communications with former page over age of consent (Foley) != SEX with underage, current page (Studds). Of course, Studds was a Dem, so what he did in his private life was "none of our business"...right? You could always try the truly novel approach of responding to what people actually write instead of what you would have liked them to write. Unfortunately, some people tend to make disconnected rants, which makes it difficult to grasp their actual point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #184 November 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIN the end seems that many posters are ok with pedophiles getting a standing ovation. UYh weren't you guys slobbering all over the fact tha Foley had made advances to young men who were over the age limit so it was therefore legal??????? You would think that applies to the thing 20 or 30 years ago too.. Communications with former page over age of consent (Foley) != SEX with underage, current page (Studds). Of course, Studds was a Dem, so what he did in his private life was "none of our business"...right? You could always try the truly novel approach of responding to what people actually write instead of what you would have liked them to write. Unfortunately, some people tend to make disconnected rants, which makes it difficult to grasp their actual point. The ability to make connections between apparently disconnected items is a hallmark of superior human intelligence.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #185 November 9, 2006 QuoteYou could always try the truly novel approach of responding to what people actually write instead of what you would have liked them to write. Nice condescension.... and so truly typical of the literati. I guess I'm just not as 'nuanced' as y'all are. I'll recap for you - it turns out that Foley sending emails to a former page wasn't illegal. Creepy, yup... kinda slimey? yeah, that too... but not illlegal. HOWEVER, I'm pretty sure that slipping the bone to an underage page is, as our British cousins say... "right out". So, NO... I'm not qoing to say that Foley sending some emails is the same as Studds screwing a page. The Dems, of course, have no problems with that, as long as Studds wasn't speaking against having sex with underage pages...that would make him a (gasp) HYPOCRITE, after all...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #187 November 9, 2006 QuoteThe ability to make connections between apparently disconnected items is a hallmark of superior human intelligence. I think I'll just quote this, for the next time Doc calls PA on someone not paying proper respect to his intelligence....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #188 November 9, 2006 Studds began the affair in 1973.. and it came to light in 1983... Mike I do not know how old you are but I lived thru that time period. Times they were far different. It was the time in American history when sex was not seen as a possible death sentence.. it was fun.. many people engaged in it.. hell even the gay boys engaged in it . Your Ultra Right Wing Conservative values were shunted to the FAR Back burner.. untill around the time that this story broke.. MANY of them were getting AIDS.. then called GRID. Gay Related Immune DEficiency. The Replublican President President Regan.. pretty much made sure that the disease spread... because he would not allow for any federal funding to go to the CDC even to find out what it was....It was seen as gods retribution to gays. The difference though is that a Right Wing Conservative... the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children... was preforming grooming behavior on 16 year old boys. That was happening after MANY laws have been enacted to protect our children from these kinds of predators. Those laws did not exist 33 years ago. I wonder in the near term... if Foley will be found to actually have had some physical contacts with underage boys.. I guess we will wait and see how the investigations progress. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #189 November 9, 2006 QuoteStudds began the affair in 1973.. and it came to light in 1983... Mike I do not know how old you are but I lived thru that time period. Times they were far different. It was the time in American history when sex was not seen as a possible death sentence.. it was fun.. many people engaged in it.. hell even the gay boys engaged in it . Your Ultra Right Wing Conservative values were shunted to the FAR Back burner.. untill around the time that this story broke.. MANY of them were getting AIDS.. then called GRID. Gay Related Immune DEficiency. The Replublican President President Regan.. pretty much made sure that the disease spread... because he would not allow for any federal funding to go to the CDC even to find out what it was....It was seen as gods retribution to gays. We all have our unique recollection of the past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #190 November 9, 2006 You forgot the bottom lines ... times change and peoples values have changed... The religious right has brought a new level of hypocrisy to the fore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #191 November 9, 2006 QuoteQuoteUnfortunately, some people tend to make disconnected rants, which makes it difficult to grasp their actual point. The ability to make connections between apparently disconnected items is a hallmark of superior human intelligence. There are those who support any irrelevant, disconnected rant, as long as it is in line with their ideology. And let's not overlook those who get pissy and start going about free speech and such, when they get called for such nonsense. It's all fun and games until someone gets their feelings hurt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #192 November 9, 2006 Being a teenager during those years, I do remember the general activities, yes... Reagan's legacy in regards to AIDS is shameful, as well as the reactions by Falwell and his ilk. Too little, too late. QuoteStudds began the affair in 1973.. and it came to light in 1983... Yes, and Congress not only failed to remove him from office, but allowed him to be re-elected 6 more times. QuoteThe difference though is that a Right Wing Conservative... the chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children... was preforming grooming behavior on 16 year old boys. That was happening after MANY laws have been enacted to protect our children from these kinds of predators. Those laws did not exist 33 years ago. Was there some new info that I didn't get? I basically quit reading after the first week or so out of disgust. My understanding was that the page was over the age of consent (if not over the age of majority) when the contact started. If he had started the emails while the page was underage, I'm pretty sure the FBI wouldn't have declined to investigate/prosecute. As for the "Ultra Right Wing Conservative" comments... I'm just about a straight up small "L" libertarian, so far as political leanings go. I point out the fact that the Dems aren't really any different that the Republicans (and they aren't anymore, by and large) as a counterpoint to the constant "Bush/Republicans BAD" mantra in SC. I *do* hold Dems in a bit more contempt than Republicans only because of their attitude of "yeah, that's how we are, so what?"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #193 November 9, 2006 Mike, NC, Kallend - cut it out. If you want to bash each other so badly, do it in PM's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #194 November 9, 2006 QuoteYou forgot the bottom lines ... times change and peoples values have changed.... You're right. Times do change. Tolerance of homosexuals has grown exponentially since the 70s and 80s. Back then, there was hardly any open tolerance of gays. Maybe in certain pockets, but generally speaking it was open season on gay bashing. Thanks for the prompt. It's good to put things in perspective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
