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Everybody lies about sex...remember?

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From what I've read the claims have been denied by Haggart and the alleged gay lover has failed a polygraph test.

I'm wonder about the whole burden of proof aspect.

Then, I withdraw my statements about the priest dude until more is known. The concept stands though.

Withdrawal your withdrawal damnit, it's true

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Here ya go cupcake

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- The president of the National Association of Evangelicals resigned Thursday after accusations by a male prostitute that the pastor paid him for sex over three years.

The Rev. Ted Haggard said he also is temporarily stepping aside from the pulpit of his church in Colorado Springs pending an internal investigation by the church.

The church official who temporarily has assumed Haggard's post said late Thursday that there has been "some admission of guilt," but not to all of the allegations. He did not give any more details

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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10231729/detail.html?rss=den&psp=news

From the article;
On Wednesday he denied the allegations:: "I've never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife. I'm faithful to my wife."

However, the acting senior pastor at New Life, Ross Parsley, said in an e-mail sent to parishioners late Thursday that Haggard admitted to some of the accusations:

"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true," Parsley said in the e-mail.

Considering that there are only two allegations against him and that he admits to "some" of them well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out.

Maybe he used the same Bill Clinton line about not having sexual relations with that man, considering sex not to be oral copulation. Hmmm, I wonder iof he was one of the haters, hatin in Clinton at that time?

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Hey.. next thing you know.. the Right will come out with some semantic bullshit that hypocrisy is actually good and godlike.


Do as they say... not as they do....

Every good right winger should know this one.

In the latter days... you will know them by their deeds.

I'm sure they can find a swell passage out of the Old Testament, possibly right next to the ones that support capital punishment and antimiscegenation.

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And Clinton, Kennedy, etc... did what??

They did not rail against the same groups they were now found to be members of...that is called hypocrisy...but I am beginning to think its neccessary to be a hypocrite to be a good republican nowadays.

Are the republicans going to spin this that hypocrisy is good next???

Byt as far as Clinton and Kennedy....
both of them.. being christian.and both who have lived their faith and tried to do good for their fellow human beings. went and asked for forgiveness from their god.....but it seems the "good Christians" in the religious wrong.... cant even follow their own good book.

Nice to know there are plenty of the Right wing hypoctires out there.

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The email did not indicate what Haggard had admitted to, however.

But we all know which acts he participated in. nudge, nudge, wink, wink... a little hot tar here... a sack of feathers there... it's all good.

And then there's the matter of his accuser failing the polygraph test.

I wonder why the accuser didn't come forward a month ago, allowing some time to investigate the validity of his claims. If it's all valid, why the last minute blindside? Hmmm.

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Everybody lies about sex...remember?

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In response to what??????

Not everyone tries to criminalize the kinks of others tho, only the right, which is why this is unexcusable. Can I write this in another language, or are you just going to keep ignoring everyone saying that when you demonize the same activity you then engage in, you will be treated more harshly than if you never demonized that activity?

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>I wonder why the accuser didn't come forward a month ago . . .

You're right! The accuser is trying to get his opponent elected to the senate! I urge you to vote for Haggard to protest this sleazy November suprise!

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>I wonder why the accuser didn't come forward a month ago . . .

You're right! The accuser is trying to get his opponent elected to the senate! I urge you to vote for Haggard to protest this sleazy November suprise!

It's a double-cross, the accuser is blowing the opposition too.

So Nclimber is more concerned with the political ramification than the hypocrisy? Amazon is right, the new honest is hypocrisy.

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And then there's the matter of his accuser failing the polygraph test.

The validity of a polygraph is open to debate and that there are a far number of variables that may affect the outcome of the test. The accuser, however, has asked to take another test.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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But we all know which acts he participated in. nudge, nudge, wink, wink... a little hot tar here... a sack of feathers there... it's all good.

And then there's the matter of his accuser failing the polygraph test.

I wonder why the accuser didn't come forward a month ago, allowing some time to investigate the validity of his claims. If it's all valid, why the last minute blindside? Hmmm.

I know you want to BELIEVE so badly.... its such a horrible let down when your heros do not do as they say and are probven to be major hypocrites

.....I have been there..... Guess what you will survive.. but your criteria.. if you are honest with yourself.. may just change for the better... rather than blindly believing.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/midterms2006/story/0,,1938920,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1

It just gets funnier as it goes!!!!LOL
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Jerry Falwell, a prominent conservative Christian and Republican party loyalist, sought to play down Mr Haggard's importance.

"He (Haggard) doesn't really lead the (evangelical) movement. ... He is the president of an association that is very loosely knit and I've never been a member of it," Mr Falwell told CNN.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Kerry? Kerry who?

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

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Will this affect the daily lives of Manx kittens?

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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> Will this affect the daily lives of Manx kittens?

As long as John Kerry doesn't go around cutting their tails off like he used to. That would be horrible. Fortunately, the tails of Manx kittens are safe from that lunatic nowadays. (They are, right? I mean, those kittens still have their tails, right? Tell me they still have their tails!)

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> Will this affect the daily lives of Manx kittens?

As long as John Kerry doesn't go around cutting their tails off like he used to. That would be horrible. Fortunately, the tails of Manx kittens are safe from that lunatic nowadays. (They are, right? I mean, those kittens still have their tails, right? Tell me they still have their tails!)

The Manx kittens are safe from Kerry's butcher knife, as they lack tails. However, methinks there is Dem legislation to study the feasability of tail grafts, so that said Manx kittens will not suffer discrimination at the cruel paws of tailed kittens.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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I understand there is 503 called "Swiftboat veterans for manx kittens" that intends to prove Kerry is in fact still cutting tails off

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I understand there is 503 called "Swiftboat veterans for manx kittens" that intends to prove Kerry is in fact still cutting tails off

...Thereby creating fake Manx kittens...The bastard, counterfeit Manx kittens... He should be impeached...

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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>as they lack tails.

WHAT? He's succeeded? Oh the humanity.

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Oh, how far the Libs have come since they days of

"what a person does in their personal life is nobodys business".

Then they try to justify it by saying it's OK for us to be hypocrites if that person is a hypocrite.

To flip, hpw far we've come from the aveage Republican saying, "It DOES matter what a politician does in his private life" and now you say it doesn't. Careful of teh witch hunt, you may one day be laberled a witch.

Haggard has stepped down and Sherwood has admitted it and apologized. The voters will decide his fate.

And Clinton, Kennedy, etc... did what??

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They didn't put themselves on a "family values" pedestal like Haggard and Foley.

Seems like Republicans are redefining "hypocrite".

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I know you want to BELIEVE so badly.... its such a horrible let down when your heros do not do as they say and are probven to be major hypocrites

.....I have been there..... Guess what you will survive.. but your criteria.. if you are honest with yourself.. may just change for the better... rather than blindly believing.

Why would you believe such a thing. My hero? I had never heard of the guy until this morning. He's a bigwig among Fundamentalist Evangelicals. What have I ever said that would give you the opinion that I'm associated with them?

It's easy to just make crap up about people. It's a whole different ballgame accurately sizing them up.

Rush Limbaugh has made millions by dishonestly vilifying others. It's too bad such a nasty practice has gone mainstream.

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dishonestly vilifying others. It's too bad such a nasty practice has gone mainstream.

perhaps, but it makes it much easier to post on internet forums

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perhaps, but it makes it much easier to post on internet forums

And so many right wingers here are sooooo good at it.

Its a bitch when some of it comes back to you.

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It's all those rightwing, NEO-CON, ultra fundie, lush rimjob lovin', vile, evil, hypocritical, pollutin', Constitution stealin', child molestin', election stealin', conservative assholes who are to blame. It's all their fault.

I cry myself to sleep just about every night fretting about how the corrupt tyranny of Bush and Co., is destroying our Constitution, our rights, our environment and our way of life, while enabling evil Corporexploitation all around us.

Oh, woe.