kallend 2,150 #126 November 6, 2006 QuoteWhat I find really funny is this...You make all kinds of claims with nothing to back them up. QuoteI don;t think soldiers are stupid, but I think they're not critical thinkers for the most part. I don't think the level of fitness is that much better than that of civilians. Then you insult the people you dont agree with for doing the SAME thing....HAHAHAHAAHAHA QuoteNow you’re speaking for most soldiers w/o any data……this supports my assertion and I don’t mean that in an attacking way, just that educated people tend not to speak in absolutes Quotebut I like to critically think like a white-collar person You posts do not show it. Here is a great example: you say : "By your grammar and punctuation I kind of doubt you are more than 100 level." But look in your OWN post :" I don;t think soldiers are stupid" He without grammer problems should cast the first stone That is obviously a typo - the ";" and "'" are on adjacent keys, and those of us who learned to type 40 years ago frequently make the same error due to keyboard evolution. P.S. It's "grammar", not "grammer".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #127 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuick quiz. Which of these statements is racist? Black men have a lower skin cancer risk than white men, everything else being equal. Blacks are intended to work outside. BiDil has been proven to be effective at treating heart failure in black patients, but not in white patients. Blacks should not be allowed to become pilots because they can have heart attacks. In a study of one school district in Chicago, african-american students scored lower on standardized IQ tests than white students. Blacks are stupid. See any differences there? I see the differences. But that does not change the fact that some will take *any* comment and claim the person making it is a racist if it fits their argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #128 November 6, 2006 QuoteThat is obviously a typo - the ";" and "'" are on adjacent keys, and those of us who learned to type 40 years ago frequently make the same error due to keyboard evolution. P.S. It's "grammar", not "grammer". But notice I am not claiming to be smarter than anyone else I just found his post full of him making accusations saying people did things and then he did the same things. Folks, I don't care who you are, thats funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #129 November 6, 2006 Quotemabye some will shift to Democrats. Democrats aren't necessarily the same thing as Liberals. there are conservative democrats too. Virtually all Democrats and Republicans are liberals. They only differ in which aspects of the government they want to expand and which aspects of your life they want to control. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #130 November 6, 2006 It's easy to see why the military generally votes Republican. Republican = more work = job security. Plus, Republicans are sure to give plenty of money to their defense contractor cronies, with the side benefit of cool new toys for the troops. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #131 November 6, 2006 QuoteIt's easy to see why the military generally votes Republican. Republican = more work = job security. Plus, Republicans are sure to give plenty of money to their defense contractor cronies, with the side benefit of cool new toys for the troops. I wish Kerry had made that argument. The military votes Republican because there will be more war, and therefore more need for their services (meaning = they are warmongers concerned with the need for their services more than their own safety or even what is good for the country). Also, they vote Republican because they are more likely to get better weapon systems (meaning = Dems don't support new weapon systems as much). At least the second part is quite true. Kerry insults them, then issues a defiant "I will apologize to no one", then apologizes to those that are stupid enough to have misinterpreted his remarks, but only on his website. In response to my question of why the military favors Republicans, you've proposed a different reason, not that they are brainwashed dummies, but that they are warmongers. I would like to see the Democratic leadership adopt that position.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #132 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteThat is obviously a typo - the ";" and "'" are on adjacent keys, and those of us who learned to type 40 years ago frequently make the same error due to keyboard evolution. P.S. It's "grammar", not "grammer". But notice I am not claiming to be smarter than anyone else If you were, some might claim it to be hypocritical behavior. Since you aren't not; you're gets to get away with its Scott freed. It's is a brave knew world; ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #133 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt just surprises me that you would even wonder why it is required. Isn't there a college of business where you teach, don't they offer communication degrees, even political science? You might as well ask the professors over there at the other colleges why such a field of study is offered. If you BOTHERED to read the post I was responding to, in which Royd wrote: "Education doesn't make you a leader. A lot of people go to school because they believe that it will entitle them to more money for less work. Learning something from the ground up makes you a far better leader than someone who just read a book." then my question to him makes more sense, doesn't it? You got the wrong end of the stick. So, are you saying that you do understand why they would require a college degree of officers?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #134 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt just surprises me that you would even wonder why it is required. Isn't there a college of business where you teach, don't they offer communication degrees, even political science? You might as well ask the professors over there at the other colleges why such a field of study is offered. If you BOTHERED to read the post I was responding to, in which Royd wrote: "Education doesn't make you a leader. A lot of people go to school because they believe that it will entitle them to more money for less work. Learning something from the ground up makes you a far better leader than someone who just read a book." then my question to him makes more sense, doesn't it? You got the wrong end of the stick. So, are you saying that you do understand why they would require a college degree of officers? You could be right. I attended a Navy and Marine Corps Birthday Ball in Chicago last Saturday. Lots of very well educated officers in attendance.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #135 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteJust as mysterious as why it is required for an educator to have a college degree. Right - structural engineering should be taught by high school dropouts. Our bridges and airplanes would be much safer.I have to say on that one me thinks engineers need 5 yrs in the FIELD (of their choice) before they ENGINEER> I spend half my time fixing all their fuckups. Last job I was on (a big one) I had to ask 10 fuckin engineers a simple question to get an answer. "1/8 inch per foot = how many degrees?" Took 10 engineers 1/2 hour to give me an answer. I wanted to wrestle their computers out from in front of them. JeeshI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #136 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust as mysterious as why it is required for an educator to have a college degree. Right - structural engineering should be taught by high school dropouts. Our bridges and airplanes would be much safer.I have to say on that one me thinks engineers need 5 yrs in the FIELD (of their choice) before they ENGINEER> I spend half my time fixing all their fuckups. Last job I was on (a big one) I had to ask 10 fuckin engineers a simple question to get an answer. "1/8 inch per foot = how many degrees?" Took 10 engineers 1/2 hour to give me an answer. I wanted to wrestle their computers out from in front of them. Jeesh They really are incompetent, it only takes a calculator, and to have paid attention during high school trigonometry. I doubt that 5 years in the field would have corrected their deficiency. The answer is arctan (.125/12)=0.597 deg, and even if the 12 inches is along the angle instead of along the horizontal, it would then be arcsin (.125/12)=.597 deg. The answer is only different if you go out to 4 places, because the tangent and sin of an angle are nearly the same at such small angles.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #137 November 6, 2006 QuoteIt's easy to see why the military generally votes Republican. Republican = more work = job security. Plus, Republicans are sure to give plenty of money to their defense contractor cronies, with the side benefit of cool new toys for the troops. Blues, DaveYeah. Like all the body/truck armor they DIDN'T have when first deployedI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #138 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust as mysterious as why it is required for an educator to have a college degree. Right - structural engineering should be taught by high school dropouts. Our bridges and airplanes would be much safer.I have to say on that one me thinks engineers need 5 yrs in the FIELD (of their choice) before they ENGINEER> I spend half my time fixing all their fuckups. Last job I was on (a big one) I had to ask 10 fuckin engineers a simple question to get an answer. "1/8 inch per foot = how many degrees?" Took 10 engineers 1/2 hour to give me an answer. I wanted to wrestle their computers out from in front of them. Jeesh They really are incompetent, it only takes a calculator, and to have paid attention during high school trigonometry. I doubt that 5 years in the field would have corrected their deficiency. The answer is arctan (.125/12)=0.597 deg, and even if the 12 inches is along the angle instead of along the horizontal, it would then be arcsin (.125/12)=.597 deg. The answer is only different if you go out to 4 places, because the tangent and sin of an angle are nearly the same at such small angles. Even (360/2*pi)*.125/12 gives 0.597, no trig needed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #139 November 6, 2006 Something we can agree on! Probably could have found more in common if you had been at SDC when Airspeed was there, but Nooo, you had to be away that weekend. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #140 November 6, 2006 QuoteI have to say on that one me thinks engineers need 5 yrs in the FIELD (of their choice) before they ENGINEER> Did you used to work for me? I recognize that attitude. I'm pretty quick to note to new grads that they have an 'engineering degree' and they are now working to become 'engineers'. The degree doesn't mean they can call themselves that yet. However, I know old hands, technicians and field operators with serious chips on their shoulders being total assholes to the new hire. Especially on questions as simple as calculating an angle. And I've seen it in person, they state the request, on purpose, in a very confusing way to validate their anger at them for having gone to school. These guys need to retire. (and, no - it's instigated more by this group typically than by cocky new grads. But it's usually the same people over and over, not all.) I also know some terrific ones that never do this and work to bring the new grads up to speed. Kind of like master sargeants and chiefs in the military. These guys are absolutely the most valuable people in the company. I take extremely good care of these guys - they are worth 10 new engineers on any project and they never talk bad about their teammates regardless of experience levels. The hourly guys need to decide what kind of person they want to be. The new grads need to learn that they are just starting and need to listen for their first 6 months. If they approach the others with the respect they deserve, they'll get along better, sooner. Best bet, listen, be respectful, don't get outraged or cocky at ANYTHING until up to speed. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #141 November 6, 2006 I'm sure promotion isn't given just on the basis of study, but being admitted to the officer corps in the first place seems to depend on having a college degree. We have quite a few enlisted men and women come into our ROTC program as officer candidates. If they don't get the degree, they go back into the enlisted ranks. If they get the degree they are commisoned. But hey, it's not my rule, it comes from DoD. Get a degree, pass the physical, do some (very) basic, get commissioned. Quote I was just trying to lighten up these forums a bit And BTW, I'm pretty sure you are 100 percent correct when you mentioned earlier that it takes a masters to progress to the higher end of the officer ranks. I'll ask my CO next time I see him exactly when that is, but I do know that once they hit that point they are sent by the military to complete it. I believe it's before the rank of Major. As for promotion base on education though, you get extra points when looking for promotion to SGT or SSG if you have some civilian education. and I don't know exactly how much weight it holds for senior NCO promotions but I know it is included in the records that are looked at. Just thought I'd mentionHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #142 November 6, 2006 QuoteSomething we can agree on! Probably could have found more in common if you had been at SDC when Airspeed was there, but Nooo, you had to be away that weekend. Airspeed? I remember them. Stood next to them on the podium at the 2002 Nationals. Nice bunch of fellas, pretty good skydivers too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #143 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust as mysterious as why it is required for an educator to have a college degree. Right - structural engineering should be taught by high school dropouts. Our bridges and airplanes would be much safer.I have to say on that one me thinks engineers need 5 yrs in the FIELD (of their choice) before they ENGINEER> I spend half my time fixing all their fuckups. Last job I was on (a big one) I had to ask 10 fuckin engineers a simple question to get an answer. "1/8 inch per foot = how many degrees?" Took 10 engineers 1/2 hour to give me an answer. I wanted to wrestle their computers out from in front of them. Jeesh They really are incompetent, it only takes a calculator, and to have paid attention during high school trigonometry. I doubt that 5 years in the field would have corrected their deficiency. The answer is arctan (.125/12)=0.597 deg, and even if the 12 inches is along the angle instead of along the horizontal, it would then be arcsin (.125/12)=.597 deg. The answer is only different if you go out to 4 places, because the tangent and sin of an angle are nearly the same at such small angles.. Yeah yeah yeah. I didn't have my caculator at the time. The answer BECHTEL engineers gave me was more along the lines of .11'. And the cheap degree finder (they supplied)couldn't register somthing that infinitesimal. By the way. Did you know they work w/ Halliburton?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #144 November 6, 2006 You said they were warmongers, not me. I said they like job security, just like everyone else. I also said that the cool new toys are a "side benefit", emphasis on both words. "Side" because such developments are not the primary focus of these expenditures...lining the pockets of corporations is. "Benefits" because it is nice that our troops get such improvements, though also unfortunate that they need them so often. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #145 November 6, 2006 QuoteI'm sure promotion isn't given just on the basis of study, but being admitted to the officer corps in the first place seems to depend on having a college degree. We have quite a few enlisted men and women come into our ROTC program as officer candidates. If they don't get the degree, they go back into the enlisted ranks. If they get the degree they are commisoned. But hey, it's not my rule, it comes from DoD. Get a degree, pass the physical, do some (very) basic, get commissioned. Quote I was just trying to lighten up these forums a bit And BTW, I'm pretty sure you are 100 percent correct when you mentioned earlier that it takes a masters to progress to the higher end of the officer ranks. I'll ask my CO next time I see him exactly when that is, but I do know that once they hit that point they are sent by the military to complete it. I believe it's before the rank of Major. As for promotion base on education though, you get extra points when looking for promotion to SGT or SSG if you have some civilian education. and I don't know exactly how much weight it holds for senior NCO promotions but I know it is included in the records that are looked at. Just thought I'd mention Pity this didn't come up 2 days ago, I could have asked. I was sat at a table wth 2 O6's, an O5 and an O4 at the Chicago Navy/Marine Corps Birthday Ball on Saturday. They all had Master's degrees and I think one of the O6's has a PhD.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #146 November 6, 2006 Yeah. Like all the body/truck armor they DIDN'T have when first deployed Quote You should check the facts before you go pointing fingers, the body armor and up armored vehicles that you see all around the military nowadays weren't readily available when we deployed. The government contracted companies to make them for us, and the companies were cranking them out full speed but could not field them fast enough. If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a couple of years. The type of body armor we have today was being fielded to upper level Special Operations units prior to Somalia. The military budget back then was too small for the rest of the military to get the armor, as soon as Bush took over he upped the budget so the rest of the military could have it. And as for vehicles, the type of armor we see has only been around for a few years, again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore, but you can only move so fast.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #147 November 7, 2006 I was sat at a table wth 2 O6's, an O5 and an O4 Quote My friend you are a far braver man than myself, I won't hesitate to jump into a firefight but I will chew my arm off to avoid sitting at a table like thatHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #148 November 7, 2006 A master's degree is preferred, but not required for getting past the O-4 level. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #149 November 7, 2006 >If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a >couple of years. To 2004? >again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore . . . If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #150 November 7, 2006 If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Watching the armor come to us down-range the new vehicles with the armor built on was coming in-country as fast as I could see humanly possible, and the vehicles that didn't have armor when they werw built were having armor welded on as fast as welders could go. There was more armor in-country than we could have welded on, and this was before the incident you mentioned. Again I point back to the prior administration and say why is it that more than an entire decade passed between when the Army first started seeing body armor with the plates and when the last soldiers finally had them. More of that time passed under Clinton than under Bush. But hey with Clinton we had a smaller deficit, so who cares about the soldiers body-armor right? People compalin about Bush over spending and then at the same time yell at him for not getting us the equipment we need.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. 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kallend 2,150 #142 November 6, 2006 QuoteSomething we can agree on! Probably could have found more in common if you had been at SDC when Airspeed was there, but Nooo, you had to be away that weekend. Airspeed? I remember them. Stood next to them on the podium at the 2002 Nationals. Nice bunch of fellas, pretty good skydivers too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #143 November 6, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust as mysterious as why it is required for an educator to have a college degree. Right - structural engineering should be taught by high school dropouts. Our bridges and airplanes would be much safer.I have to say on that one me thinks engineers need 5 yrs in the FIELD (of their choice) before they ENGINEER> I spend half my time fixing all their fuckups. Last job I was on (a big one) I had to ask 10 fuckin engineers a simple question to get an answer. "1/8 inch per foot = how many degrees?" Took 10 engineers 1/2 hour to give me an answer. I wanted to wrestle their computers out from in front of them. Jeesh They really are incompetent, it only takes a calculator, and to have paid attention during high school trigonometry. I doubt that 5 years in the field would have corrected their deficiency. The answer is arctan (.125/12)=0.597 deg, and even if the 12 inches is along the angle instead of along the horizontal, it would then be arcsin (.125/12)=.597 deg. The answer is only different if you go out to 4 places, because the tangent and sin of an angle are nearly the same at such small angles.. Yeah yeah yeah. I didn't have my caculator at the time. The answer BECHTEL engineers gave me was more along the lines of .11'. And the cheap degree finder (they supplied)couldn't register somthing that infinitesimal. By the way. Did you know they work w/ Halliburton?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #144 November 6, 2006 You said they were warmongers, not me. I said they like job security, just like everyone else. I also said that the cool new toys are a "side benefit", emphasis on both words. "Side" because such developments are not the primary focus of these expenditures...lining the pockets of corporations is. "Benefits" because it is nice that our troops get such improvements, though also unfortunate that they need them so often. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #145 November 6, 2006 QuoteI'm sure promotion isn't given just on the basis of study, but being admitted to the officer corps in the first place seems to depend on having a college degree. We have quite a few enlisted men and women come into our ROTC program as officer candidates. If they don't get the degree, they go back into the enlisted ranks. If they get the degree they are commisoned. But hey, it's not my rule, it comes from DoD. Get a degree, pass the physical, do some (very) basic, get commissioned. Quote I was just trying to lighten up these forums a bit And BTW, I'm pretty sure you are 100 percent correct when you mentioned earlier that it takes a masters to progress to the higher end of the officer ranks. I'll ask my CO next time I see him exactly when that is, but I do know that once they hit that point they are sent by the military to complete it. I believe it's before the rank of Major. As for promotion base on education though, you get extra points when looking for promotion to SGT or SSG if you have some civilian education. and I don't know exactly how much weight it holds for senior NCO promotions but I know it is included in the records that are looked at. Just thought I'd mention Pity this didn't come up 2 days ago, I could have asked. I was sat at a table wth 2 O6's, an O5 and an O4 at the Chicago Navy/Marine Corps Birthday Ball on Saturday. They all had Master's degrees and I think one of the O6's has a PhD.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #146 November 6, 2006 Yeah. Like all the body/truck armor they DIDN'T have when first deployed Quote You should check the facts before you go pointing fingers, the body armor and up armored vehicles that you see all around the military nowadays weren't readily available when we deployed. The government contracted companies to make them for us, and the companies were cranking them out full speed but could not field them fast enough. If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a couple of years. The type of body armor we have today was being fielded to upper level Special Operations units prior to Somalia. The military budget back then was too small for the rest of the military to get the armor, as soon as Bush took over he upped the budget so the rest of the military could have it. And as for vehicles, the type of armor we see has only been around for a few years, again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore, but you can only move so fast.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #147 November 7, 2006 I was sat at a table wth 2 O6's, an O5 and an O4 Quote My friend you are a far braver man than myself, I won't hesitate to jump into a firefight but I will chew my arm off to avoid sitting at a table like thatHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #148 November 7, 2006 A master's degree is preferred, but not required for getting past the O-4 level. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #149 November 7, 2006 >If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a >couple of years. To 2004? >again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore . . . If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #150 November 7, 2006 If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Watching the armor come to us down-range the new vehicles with the armor built on was coming in-country as fast as I could see humanly possible, and the vehicles that didn't have armor when they werw built were having armor welded on as fast as welders could go. There was more armor in-country than we could have welded on, and this was before the incident you mentioned. Again I point back to the prior administration and say why is it that more than an entire decade passed between when the Army first started seeing body armor with the plates and when the last soldiers finally had them. More of that time passed under Clinton than under Bush. But hey with Clinton we had a smaller deficit, so who cares about the soldiers body-armor right? People compalin about Bush over spending and then at the same time yell at him for not getting us the equipment we need.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 6 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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GQ_jumper 4 #146 November 6, 2006 Yeah. Like all the body/truck armor they DIDN'T have when first deployed Quote You should check the facts before you go pointing fingers, the body armor and up armored vehicles that you see all around the military nowadays weren't readily available when we deployed. The government contracted companies to make them for us, and the companies were cranking them out full speed but could not field them fast enough. If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a couple of years. The type of body armor we have today was being fielded to upper level Special Operations units prior to Somalia. The military budget back then was too small for the rest of the military to get the armor, as soon as Bush took over he upped the budget so the rest of the military could have it. And as for vehicles, the type of armor we see has only been around for a few years, again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore, but you can only move so fast.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #147 November 7, 2006 I was sat at a table wth 2 O6's, an O5 and an O4 Quote My friend you are a far braver man than myself, I won't hesitate to jump into a firefight but I will chew my arm off to avoid sitting at a table like thatHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #148 November 7, 2006 A master's degree is preferred, but not required for getting past the O-4 level. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #149 November 7, 2006 >If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a >couple of years. To 2004? >again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore . . . If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #150 November 7, 2006 If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Watching the armor come to us down-range the new vehicles with the armor built on was coming in-country as fast as I could see humanly possible, and the vehicles that didn't have armor when they werw built were having armor welded on as fast as welders could go. There was more armor in-country than we could have welded on, and this was before the incident you mentioned. Again I point back to the prior administration and say why is it that more than an entire decade passed between when the Army first started seeing body armor with the plates and when the last soldiers finally had them. More of that time passed under Clinton than under Bush. But hey with Clinton we had a smaller deficit, so who cares about the soldiers body-armor right? People compalin about Bush over spending and then at the same time yell at him for not getting us the equipment we need.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 6 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
GQ_jumper 4 #147 November 7, 2006 I was sat at a table wth 2 O6's, an O5 and an O4 Quote My friend you are a far braver man than myself, I won't hesitate to jump into a firefight but I will chew my arm off to avoid sitting at a table like thatHistory does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites TheAnvil 0 #148 November 7, 2006 A master's degree is preferred, but not required for getting past the O-4 level. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #149 November 7, 2006 >If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a >couple of years. To 2004? >again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore . . . If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #150 November 7, 2006 If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Watching the armor come to us down-range the new vehicles with the armor built on was coming in-country as fast as I could see humanly possible, and the vehicles that didn't have armor when they werw built were having armor welded on as fast as welders could go. There was more armor in-country than we could have welded on, and this was before the incident you mentioned. Again I point back to the prior administration and say why is it that more than an entire decade passed between when the Army first started seeing body armor with the plates and when the last soldiers finally had them. More of that time passed under Clinton than under Bush. But hey with Clinton we had a smaller deficit, so who cares about the soldiers body-armor right? People compalin about Bush over spending and then at the same time yell at him for not getting us the equipment we need.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 6 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
TheAnvil 0 #148 November 7, 2006 A master's degree is preferred, but not required for getting past the O-4 level. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #149 November 7, 2006 >If you want to point fingers how about you wind the clock back a >couple of years. To 2004? >again once GW took over he had it being fielded full-bore . . . If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #150 November 7, 2006 If that was true, the hullabaloo surrounding a US serviceman asking Donald Rumsfeld for more armor wouldn't have made a difference. But it turned out to be a good thing he did, because the result was an increase in armor shipments to Iraq. Quote Watching the armor come to us down-range the new vehicles with the armor built on was coming in-country as fast as I could see humanly possible, and the vehicles that didn't have armor when they werw built were having armor welded on as fast as welders could go. There was more armor in-country than we could have welded on, and this was before the incident you mentioned. Again I point back to the prior administration and say why is it that more than an entire decade passed between when the Army first started seeing body armor with the plates and when the last soldiers finally had them. More of that time passed under Clinton than under Bush. But hey with Clinton we had a smaller deficit, so who cares about the soldiers body-armor right? People compalin about Bush over spending and then at the same time yell at him for not getting us the equipment we need.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Next Page 6 of 9 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
