Voting preference of the military

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The military is an interesting microcosm of society. I'd place the Dem/Republican breakdown at about 25/75 among its enlisted ranks and about 10/90 in its officer corps. I think there are myriad reasons for this, including the nature of the military itself and the nature of the issues each party supports and the methods employed to support them.

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Yeah, the "brainwashing"... wasn't that the part where they take you in the saucer and do the experiments on you?

what I loved was the first poster asked a really good question and I thought it was quite open and honest with no bias at all.

Then we had tons of crap thrown in from one side with no one really answering the question asked...To be honest Amazon did answer, but it was quite laced with attacks on the right.

Why must every question be used as a way to attack the "bad side"?

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Spelling is not my strong point, ask Kerry.

I never heard a leader push a party on a troop or troops in 20 + years. This to me, with all the Regs AGAINST it, seems a very large exageration.

But the troops I have served with had a lot of issues with Clinton and the ones I seve with now are feeling the same way about the current POTUS.

We still see troops having to use food stamps and "wick" to feed a family of three!

But the military also got used by Clinton in his "social experiment" for homosexuality.
I have no issue with ones sexual orientation and see no need for "extra" rights becuase they choose to sleep with the same gender. I also saw no need to change the way the military ran its self in this regard. The regs about it had pretty much been ingnored except by those trying to draw attention to thier "cause" and those who used it to get out.

I find that when it comes to the military both parties are full of ass clowns who are only truly looking out for them selves.

Want to know who the military is voting for next term? ask the thousands who are retiring at the first date of eligability. Look what party they are running under in Presidential Elections, Senate, House etc etc.

If the Sec Def had been fired last term Bush would have gotten 10 to 15 % more Mil votes acording a an Army times pole last year, I probably mis quoted that and it is Army votes now that I think about it.

McCain, Powel and Leiberman (sp) can we do that next time?

What is wrong with a three man oval office?

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I never heard a leader push a party on a troop or troops in 20 + years. This to me, with all the Regs AGAINST it, seems a very large exageration.

92% of all communication is non-verbal. Want to get isolated? Try being in the military and pronouncing your love of the Dems especially Clinton. You would be shunned. I didn't say or infer that there were lectures on who to support, just that there were overtones that cite you should hate the Dems and love the Repubs.

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But the troops I have served with had a lot of issues with Clinton and the ones I seve with now are feeling the same way about the current POTUS.

What were your issues with CLinton and with the current chimp in chief?

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But the military also got used by Clinton in his "social experiment" for homosexuality.

He didn't allow homosexuals to be in that were known, he merely put an end to the witchhunt. He made it so the superiors couldn't examine under french fry lights any troops as to their sexuality. At the same time, those homosexuals couldn't carry their purses on duty like Max Klinger. It was no experiment, it was the end to Republican witchhunts; detail the experimen phase of it and be sure to illustrate the data collection, unless you're sarcastically using 'experiment' as a loose metaphor.

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I have no issue with ones sexual orientation and see no need for "extra" rights becuase they choose to sleep with the same gender.

There were no extra rights, there was fewer persecution. How could they have rights if when they exposed themselves (no pun intented), they would be in violation of, "don't tell" and would then be kicked out? Do you wonder why I say the militay is a bunch of brainwashing? Read your post.

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The regs about it had pretty much been ingnored except by those trying to draw attention to thier "cause" and those who used it to get out.

I wouldn't speak so broadly. We had a crew chief blowing a captain in a parking lot..... both were married. Our squadron commander was also a married closeted gay, hell of a nice guy , but gay as it gets. He wa eventually kicked out too, that was after I got out. To say they all use the regs to get out or that the regs weren't shoved down people's throats (again, no pun intended), is again a very broad assertion. If they even thought a guy was gay they would watch him and get their evidence.

I can read the contempt for gays in your wriitings.

As for the rest of your post, I still think even tho the military troops dislike the clowns in office now, I still say they vote 80%+ Repub.

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

From this, I think it is clear you never went to basic either. Or maybe you just forgot what it was like.

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From this, I think it is clear you never went to basic either. Or maybe you just forgot what it was like.

UH huh, right, I forgot about having that MF hit the lights and start swearing/sceaming at 4am. I forgot about having to get dressed and piss and be dressed downstairs in 4 minutes.... litterally. I forgot all that fucking fun.... sorry Charlie, me no forget.

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The military is an interesting microcosm of society. I'd place the Dem/Republican breakdown at about 25/75 among its enlisted ranks and about 10/90 in its officer corps. I think there are myriad reasons for this, including the nature of the military itself and the nature of the issues each party supports and the methods employed to support them.

For once, we agree.....

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Yeah, the "brainwashing"... wasn't that the part where they take you in the saucer and do the experiments on you?

what I loved was the first poster asked a really good question and I thought it was quite open and honest with no bias at all.

Then we had tons of crap thrown in from one side with no one really answering the question asked...To be honest Amazon did answer, but it was quite laced with attacks on the right.

Why must every question be used as a way to attack the "bad side"?

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Then we had tons of crap thrown in ...

That's ok, we're used to your posts

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That's ok, we're used to your posts

Cute, but I mean one guy gave a pretty good story of HIS military EXP and you responded with "I can read the contempt for gays in your wriitings. "

I can't sense anything bad about gays in his writtings. How do you? What clued you into his deep secret hatred?

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From this, I think it is clear you never went to basic either. Or maybe you just forgot what it was like.

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UH huh, right, I forgot about having that MF hit the lights and start swearing/sceaming at 4am. I forgot about having to get dressed and piss and be dressed downstairs in 4 minutes.... litterally. I forgot all that fucking fun.... sorry Charlie, me no forget.

So, which part of the fun really pissed you off?

I simply remember it as an experience in life, that every naive, coddled teenager should experience.

They did in nine short[ or, long] weeks, what life at its natural pace would take years, if ever, to do.

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

Let's face it, how many 18 YO's know shit about politics, so they get the young dummies (me and most of them at that time) to play ball and be a team player. When I entered, Reagan gave us a double pay raise the first year, then gave us 0 the next. Clinton's pay raises for his entire 8 years was > Reagan's by a fair margin, but you wouldn't have known that by listening to the rhetoric.

John Kerry said that he would never insult the members of the military (even though he did). However, you don't have any problem with calling them brainwashed dummies. Thanks for making your thoughts known.

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Why must every question be used as a way to attack the "bad side"?

I think it has something to do with the unaddressed fascists that akarunway brought up. I dont want to see my country turn into a religious fascist state that scares the whole world.

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From this, I think it is clear you never went to basic either. Or maybe you just forgot what it was like.

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UH huh, right, I forgot about having that MF hit the lights and start swearing/sceaming at 4am. I forgot about having to get dressed and piss and be dressed downstairs in 4 minutes.... litterally. I forgot all that fucking fun.... sorry Charlie, me no forget.

So, which part of the fun really pissed you off?

I simply remember it as an experience in life, that every naive, coddled teenager should experience.

They did in nine short[ or, long] weeks, what life at its natural pace would take years, if ever, to do.

Where did I write that it pissed me off?

I agree that every man should serve, many countries it is compulsory.

Yep, 9 weeks, a lot of good discipline, but I am not saying it's bad, it just made an impression on me.

Remember the original statement to me?

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From this, I think it is clear you never went to basic either. Or maybe you just forgot what it was like.

Forget.... not on your life.

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

Let's face it, how many 18 YO's know shit about politics, so they get the young dummies (me and most of them at that time) to play ball and be a team player. When I entered, Reagan gave us a double pay raise the first year, then gave us 0 the next. Clinton's pay raises for his entire 8 years was > Reagan's by a fair margin, but you wouldn't have known that by listening to the rhetoric.

John Kerry said that he would never insult the members of the military (even though he did). However, you don't have any problem with calling them brainwashed dummies. Thanks for the making your thoughts known.

That's your paraphrasation, not my words. I said there was a brainwashing process, basic training. And I said they were 18 YO dummies as I was, which I stand by. Kerry said the essence of if you don;t go to college, you might go to the military. If we took the IQ from the avergae soldier and that of the average 2nd year college student, I wonder who would register a higher score? I love the troops, if we ever engage in a neccessary war or police action, we will need them. Even with the BS wars/police actions we engage in now, they are still heros.

I respect military people, but with that, I don't have to artificailly say they are brilliant because most are not, but the sacrifices they make are often remarkable.

I don't RAH-RAH, I speak/write the truth. This is why I'm so repelled from teh Republican Party; you have to pull for your side even if they are wrong, dumb, lack discretion, etc.... Dems don't cheerlead nearly as much as the right, barely at all.

The right operates off of cliche, established protocol, strict norms, whereas the left is progressive and operates of off new ideas.

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From this, I think it is clear you never went to basic either. Or maybe you just forgot what it was like.

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UH huh, right, I forgot about having that MF hit the lights and start swearing/sceaming at 4am. I forgot about having to get dressed and piss and be dressed downstairs in 4 minutes.... litterally. I forgot all that fucking fun.... sorry Charlie, me no forget.

So, which part of the fun really pissed you off?

I simply remember it as an experience in life, that every naive, coddled teenager should experience.

They did in nine short[ or, long] weeks, what life at its natural pace would take years, if ever, to do.

All they did was/is make me a meaner asshole/bastard than I was/am

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Why must every question be used as a way to attack the "bad side"?

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I think it has something to do with the unaddressed fascists that akarunway brought up. I dont want to see my country turn into a religious fascist state that scares the whole world.

Well at least you admit you do it....Kinda makes trying to dscuss anything with you pointless however.

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If we took the IQ from the avergae soldier and that of the average 2nd year college student, I wonder who would register a higher score?

I find it a shame someone as "enlightend" as you claim to be holds such prejudeces. Are Blacks breed to be lazy also?

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This is why I'm so repelled from teh Republican Party; you have to pull for your side even if they are wrong, dumb, lack discretion, etc.... Dems don't cheerlead nearly as much as the right, barely at all.

Maybe you are not welcomed by the Republican party since you seem to attack people a bunch? And maybe since you admit to not like them, they don't tend to want to have you around?

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The right operates off of cliche, established protocol, strict norms, whereas the left is progressive and operates of off new ideas.

HAHAHAHAHA. Then maybe the left works off only insulting others?

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>I find it a shame someone as "enlightend" as you claim to be holds
>such prejudeces. Are Blacks breed to be lazy also?

Speaking about average differences in intelligence between college kids and military (or even black vs white college students) has nothing to do with prejudice. Indeed, someone who knows what those differences are is more enlightened than someone who does not.

However, the conclusion that "therefore black students should not be in high-tier colleges" or "college students should not join the military" may well be a conclusion motivated by prejudice.

>Maybe you are not welcomed by the Republican party since you seem to attack people a bunch?

Take a look at any national political ad. Someone who can pull off effective attacks will be welcomed by _both_ sides, if those ads are any indication.

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UH huh, right, I forgot about having that MF hit the lights and start swearing/sceaming at 4am. I forgot about having to get dressed and piss and be dressed downstairs in 4 minutes.... litterally. I forgot all that fucking fun.... sorry Charlie, me no forget.

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So, which part of the fun really pissed you off?

I simply remember it as an experience in life, that every naive, coddled teenager should experience.

They did in nine short[ or, long] weeks, what life at its natural pace would take years, if ever, to do.

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Where did I write that it pissed me off?

Whining, and complaining about something that happened to you years ago in the course of life is an indication that you resented the experience.

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I will address you post point by point:

I AM IN THE U.S. MILITARY! 20+ YEARS! I also have voted for each party and spoke up to my "superiors" on all occasions when we have discussed politics. never did I feel "Isolated".

I never felt President Clinton did well as Commander in Chief, he didn't give us the equipment and authorizations we wanted in Somalia (yes, I KNOW he inherited the situation but he could have helped the soldiers there when he did).

His "Don't ask Don't Tell" policy was some thing his admin and supporters came up with and injected into a military who for the most part was just moving along and ignoring Sexual orientation issues (at least in the units I was in) it only became an issue if it envovled adultery of the "higher" ranks or was in addition too a charge already levied.

He agreed with his political supporters who wanted "Gay Rights", seems silly to need them to me, just acknowledge and allow Human Rights regardless of who one sleeps with. I would hope one day we could just live in that manner, buut as you have shown me there are plenty of bigots who still believe in a way that will not allow it.

Well again in my units it was not an issue you may have seen some thing different, AF right? (guessing by the "blowing" part of your post)

Don't read some thing between the lines that does not happen to be there. I will tell you all you have to do is ask (no Pun was intended). I have no issue with any one at all in regards to sexual orientation, I actually vote in line, at times, with those who wear the "liberal" tag, in regards to "same sex" marriage.

Don't know about all services but I think the Army Times showed in was more like 50/50 in the Officer Ranks and 60/40 in the Enlisted ranks (thats Rep/Dem).

I guess we will just disagree that those in the military make up their own mind at the voting booth and that politics doesn't stop soldiers from doing their job along side each other, no matter which POTUS got them there.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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And I said they were 18 YO dummies as I was, which I stand by. Kerry said the essence of if you don;t go to college, you might go to the military. If we took the IQ from the avergae soldier and that of the average 2nd year college student, I wonder who would register a higher score? I love the troops, if we ever engage in a neccessary war or police action, we will need them.

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So from your post I take it that in your opinions soldiers are for the most part equivalant to Forrest Gump? We're a bunch of big strong loveable retards right? Don't worry about the fact that it is now common place among soldiers to be taking college courses in our spare time, which makes us.......come on you know the answer to this. College students, the ones that you said we are all stupider than. Most soldiers that choose the military over college don't choose it because they aren't smart enoguh, instead choose it because they don't have a rich mommy and daddy to pay for it. the funny part is you say college students could be seen as much smarter than soldiers, in what terms. If you are looking for what someone may call being simply "book smart" then you may be correct, but as for having life experience, which brings maturity, and IMO does a lot more for a persons intellect than sitting in some classroom listening to a professor who has never seen the world outside his classroom, a soldier is far beyond your typical college student. If you really want some good stats how's this, everyone on my team has some college education, we were all excellent students in high school, personally I graduated with distinct honors and could've gotten into just about any school I wanted. Just about everyone on my team is pursuing some type of degree in our spare time. But what would I know, I'm just an idiot who know's nothing but killing and doing what people tell me.

So I gess ill jus go bak to wurk now and mak pretty tings wif my safeti sissors and kunstrukshun papr kuz i r 2 dum ta go to da skewl.

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

Let's face it, how many 18 YO's know shit about politics, so they get the young dummies (me and most of them at that time) to play ball and be a team player. When I entered, Reagan gave us a double pay raise the first year, then gave us 0 the next. Clinton's pay raises for his entire 8 years was > Reagan's by a fair margin, but you wouldn't have known that by listening to the rhetoric.

John Kerry said that he would never insult the members of the military (even though he did). However, you don't have any problem with calling them brainwashed dummies. Thanks for the making your thoughts known.

That's your paraphrasation, not my words. I said there was a brainwashing process, basic training. And I said they were 18 YO dummies as I was, which I stand by. Kerry said the essence of if you don;t go to college, you might go to the military. If we took the IQ from the avergae soldier and that of the average 2nd year college student, I wonder who would register a higher score? I love the troops, if we ever engage in a neccessary war or police action, we will need them. Even with the BS wars/police actions we engage in now, they are still heros.

I respect military people, but with that, I don't have to artificailly say they are brilliant because most are not, but the sacrifices they make are often remarkable.

I don't RAH-RAH, I speak/write the truth. This is why I'm so repelled from teh Republican Party; you have to pull for your side even if they are wrong, dumb, lack discretion, etc.... Dems don't cheerlead nearly as much as the right, barely at all.

The right operates off of cliche, established protocol, strict norms, whereas the left is progressive and operates of off new ideas.

You said they're brainwashed, you said they're dummies.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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You said they're brainwashed, you said they're dummies.

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Well I R, didunt u no dat? after 7 years in the military i can't even pee without someone telling me what to do, BTW can you tell me to go pee now please, cause I really have to go but nobody has told me to yet

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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So from your post I take it that in your opinions soldiers are for the most part equivalant to Forrest Gump?

No, Forrest Gump was awkward and simple, but intelligent, didn't you watch the movie? I don;t think soldiers are stupid, but I think they're not critical thinkers for the most part.

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We're a bunch of big strong loveable retards right?

I don't think the level of fitness is that much better than that of civilians.

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Don't worry about the fact that it is now common place among soldiers to be taking college courses in our spare time, which makes us.......come on you know the answer to this. College students, the ones that you said we are all stupider than.

Common place? Let me guess you’re not one of the college students. I bet the rate of enlisted guys attending even 1 college class per semester is <10%. I wouldn’t call it commonplace, although I do know some guys even go to OCS, and they make the best officers in that they’re not peckers like the college kids that go right in.

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Most soldiers that choose the military over college don't choose it because they aren't smart enoguh, instead choose it because they don't have a rich mommy and daddy to pay for it.

Now you’re speaking for most soldiers w/o any data……this supports my assertion and I don’t mean that in an attacking way, just that educated people tend not to speak in absolutes, at least not very often, and they don’t continually speak for others of whom they don’t know. My perception is that kids go in the military enlisted because their life sucks and they want to get away. It was that way for me and I doubt it has changed, but it would be impossible for either one of us to establish the motives of the rest of the military. As for funds, have you heard of, FAFSA? FAFSA is a federal loan and is essentially guaranteed, so where does rich mommy/daddy come in? People enlist because home life sucks and they don’t wanna go to college, hence they aren’t the intellectual type.

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the funny part is you say college students could be seen as much smarter than soldiers, in what terms. If you are looking for what someone may call being simply "book smart" then you may be correct, but as for having life experience, which brings maturity, and IMO does a lot more for a persons intellect than sitting in some classroom listening to a professor who has never seen the world outside his classroom, a soldier is far beyond your typical college student.

See, you really make my case here. I grew up with the pathetic, “I gots street smarts” mentality. Although being a naïve punk-ass rich boy is as pathetic, reading and understanding the history of the nation, the world makes you a much more well rounded person. Uneducated = subservience / education = command. Education is like that trailer at the circus, the ignorant who have never entered will claim:

A) They know what is in there

B) It doesn’t really matter what is in there, they don’t need to see it

However, those who exit tell the outsiders what is in there, but the outsiders can never really understand, so they get angry about what is in there and we have the divide of the ignorant versus the intelligent.

Book smart isn’t the ability to understand life thru the Pythagorean theorem, it’s the whole knowledge where if someone speaks of the structure of Congress, you know it, if someone speaks of ant miscegenation, you understand that this country selectively forbade interracial marriages at one time, 16 states in 1968. Education is understanding the racial plight of the south including details of Rosa Parks. Understanding that we had Indian Schools where we ethnocentrically shoved Christianity down their throat. Street smarts are like the contemporary Huggy Bear selling crack down the way. I doubt you’re in college, but you won’t understand what I wrote until after you graduate and then spend some time in life.

You probably think I’m a white-collar punk; just the opposite. I’m all blue-collar, but I like to critically think like a white-collar person. Also, many professors have seen tons more than you, so quit stereotyping professors. I had one that witnessed an execution, so where does your street smarts equate to that?

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If you really want some good stats how's this, everyone on my team has some college education, we were all excellent students in high school, personally I graduated with distinct honors and could've gotten into just about any school I wanted. Just about everyone on my team is pursuing some type of degree in our spare time. But what would I know, I'm just an idiot who know's nothing but killing and doing what people tell me.

By your grammar and punctuation I kind of doubt you are more than 100 level. As for statistics, have you heard the term, “sample size?” Also, have you heard the term, “Bias?” I reject your data on both of those terms. This is the RAH-RAH that I was talking about. In fact, I remember the cliché, “A superior is NEVER wrong, he might be mistaken, but never wrong.” Fuck that, this is what helps me to think the military isn’t all that bright. They don’t want intelligence, as then they might have a conscientious objector, they want blind, stupid subservience and they do what they can to take reasonably intelligent kids and dumb them down as much as possible.

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You said they're brainwashed, you said they're dummies.

Yes, basic training is a brainwashing process. Granted they don't try to disconnect your total memory, but they want to suppress the part of your mind that you use to reason.

Dummies, yep, but hell, mist 18YO kids are, donlt you think? Show examples of intelligent kids other than child prodogies. Military or not, 18 YO kids are dummies, can you reject that?

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Americans sleep soundly in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do them harm.

That doesn't help your case Is that from Jack Nicholson?

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It's a quote by George Orwell:

People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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