Voting preference of the military

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

They must have REALLY changed things since the 80's, then...because there was none of that when I was in.

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Ah yes, one would think. But dems claim that Bush's policy is motivated by greed/power/oil/revenge for dad's attempted assassination/etc.

Damn, there's got to be something wrong with people that would be motivated by all that! Either that or there's something wrong with the people making the hate filled accusations.

Well when the motivation for war is so obviously fabricated, you're left to wonder why. The ties to oil, ties to Halliburton and all the rest makes you not wonder why the debt has matched 12 years of Reagan/Bush's then record 12 year run, in just 6 years.

The above 3 stooges don't care about the future of the country, or they wouldn't have given away the country to the corporations, so answer me this: What was the motivation for war, handing over prescription meds to teh corps and all the other goodies?

Dude - the "war for oil" and "war for Halliburton" rhetoric is SOOOO 2004... and again, if this was true... where's the indictments and convictions?

Mike
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Right, it's gong to take voter turnout to elminate the party that loves to jack uo the debt to eliminate that threat.

I'm sure AQ and the Taliban will be very impressed when the Dems pull the troops out... it sure showed them the light in Somalia, didn't it?

Mike
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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

Let's face it, how many 18 YO's know shit about politics, so they get the young dummies (me and most of them at that time) to play ball and be a team player. When I entered, Reagan gave us a double pay raise the first year, then gave us 0 the next. Clinton's pay raises for his entire 8 years was > Reagan's by a fair margin, but you wouldn't have known that by listening to the rhetoric.

...Which is why, as in the outside world, as you see more advanced education, you see more Dem votes, with the exception of education+fundie christianity, which votes GOP rabidly.

I saw far more Dem Officers. To see our underpaid junior enlisted being staunchly GOP was a testament to the GOP fucking over the poor.

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I saw far more Dem Officers.

Here's an interesting article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25656-2004Oct11.html

It's two years old and I assume Bush's popularity in the military has dropped considerably in that time, but the numbers cited are pretty compelling.

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We now have fairly compelling evidence, in the form of a Military Times survey of its readership (primarily career military officers and enlisted personnel), that reports of the demise of Bush's popularity were premature. By an astonishing 72 to 17 percent margin, the active-duty military personnel who took the survey favored Bush over Kerry (Guard and Reserve respondents favored Bush, 73 to 18 percent). Frankly, the margin greatly exceeds anything that I or any other analyst had expected.

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One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger.

Bush has done both of those things. Wouldn't you agree?

He more or less abandoned the fight against AQ and then increased the threat tremendously by invading Iraq.

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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire.

But you have, you have run away from the actual war on terrorism in Afghanistan.

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How did Karl Rove get into this discussion?

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I was wondering the same thing.

Its called DENIGRATION of those who SERVED and those who are serving.. By Mr Rove.. et al...the right wing holds itself out to be pro military... .. I am sorry but that little homilie of " thank you for serving" does not pay your families bills.. when your right wing chickenhawks send you off to war with substandard equipment.. for the individual troop.... yet they can spend billions with their buddies in the defence industry for all the new technology.. perhaps a little bit of that technology can help to keep you and your buddies alive. ACTIONS boys... ...ACTIONS...not your fucking same old telling what you are going to do for them and never doing it.

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I was wondering the same thing.

Its called DENIGRATION of those who SERVED and those who are serving.. By Mr Rove.. et al...the right wing holds itself out to be pro military... .. I am sorry but that little homilie of " thank you for serving" does not pay your families bills.. when your right wing chickenhawks send you off to war with substandard equipment.. for the individual troop.... yet they can spend billions with their buddies in the defence industry for all the new technology.. perhaps a little bit of that technology can help to keep you and your buddies alive. ACTIONS boys... ...ACTIONS...not your fucking same old telling what you are going to do for them and never doing it.

What does this have to do with why the military heavily supports the GOP or why the Dems can't get a larger share of this voter group?

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What does this have to do with why the military heavily supports the GOP or why the Dems can't get a larger share of this voter group?

I guess we are going to see in this election if the same old propaganda works like it has in the last few elections from the Ultra Right.

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What does this have to do with why the military heavily supports the GOP or why the Dems can't get a larger share of this voter group?

I guess we are going to see in this election if the same old propaganda works like it has in the last few elections from the Ultra Right.

Are you saying the only reason the military heavily supports the GOP is because of propaganda?

Is it possible that the kind of of person who joins the Armed Services (yes, I'm making a generalization here) might be idealogically inclined to support the GOP?

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Is it possible that the kind of of person who joins the Armed Services (yes, I'm making a generalization here) might be idealogically inclined to support the GOP?

I think you may find that no longer to be true.


I know a HELL of a lot of democrats.. who actually served this country. I know a bunch of independent voters who also served this country.

I think you will see a lot of those servicemembers who have been screwed over by this administration... having one hell of a dilema in their voting and who they supported in the past.. who have not supported them or their now dead brothers.

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I know a HELL of a lot of democrats.. who actually served this country...

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

They must have REALLY changed things since the 80's, then...because there was none of that when I was in.

An none of that in the 2000's either

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Kerry is a top leader of the dem party.

And here I thought it was Dean????? Hmmmmm.

I think you're confusing "a" with "the". Hmmmmm.

HUH? ---> Dean is the head of the Dems, Kerry is the guy who lost the presidential race.

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

They must have REALLY changed things since the 80's, then...because there was none of that when I was in.

None of what? Brainwashing? Perhaps you were alredy there so there was no need to "modify" your attitude.

As for puny pay raises, they were there, remember? Of course the fascist pig did spend tons on military toys, not just give it to the troops he pretended to love.

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Ah yes, one would think. But dems claim that Bush's policy is motivated by greed/power/oil/revenge for dad's attempted assassination/etc.

Damn, there's got to be something wrong with people that would be motivated by all that! Either that or there's something wrong with the people making the hate filled accusations.

Well when the motivation for war is so obviously fabricated, you're left to wonder why. The ties to oil, ties to Halliburton and all the rest makes you not wonder why the debt has matched 12 years of Reagan/Bush's then record 12 year run, in just 6 years.

The above 3 stooges don't care about the future of the country, or they wouldn't have given away the country to the corporations, so answer me this: What was the motivation for war, handing over prescription meds to teh corps and all the other goodies?

Dude - the "war for oil" and "war for Halliburton" rhetoric is SOOOO 2004... and again, if this was true... where's the indictments and convictions?

Right, all crimes go indicted and punished. I'm thinking here..... hmmmm, where would these investigations and indictments come from..... hmmmm, I can't think here.... oh yea, could it be Congress? OH YEA, but the Repugs have that lined with their buddies so that will never happen unless we get control of at least 1 house, which is why Bush is shitting his pants right now. He doesn;t give a shit abiout yoru party, just that he can slither out of office b4 the Dem storm becomes a reality.

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I get the feeling you've never been in the military. If so, you would understand that there is a severe brainwashing process they call basic training and although they never raise the Republican banners, they make it clear which side supports the military and which side supports the faggot commies, or so they would have you think.

They must have REALLY changed things since the 80's, then...because there was none of that when I was in.

None of what? Brainwashing? Perhaps you were alredy there so there was no need to "modify" your attitude.

As for puny pay raises, they were there, remember? Of course the fascist pig did spend tons on military toys, not just give it to the troops he pretended to love.

Yeah, the "brainwashing"... wasn't that the part where they take you in the saucer and do the experiments on you?

Mike
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Right, it's gong to take voter turnout to elminate the party that loves to jack uo the debt to eliminate that threat.

I'm sure AQ and the Taliban will be very impressed when the Dems pull the troops out... it sure showed them the light in Somalia, didn't it?

Why don't we turn 90% of the males in this country into soldiers and distribute them around the world so we can govern what tehy do? Is that your fantasy? When we pull out, now at almost 3k dead or in 20 years with 100k dead they will revert back to the way they were b4 we got there.

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Why don't we turn 90% of the males in this country into soldiers and distribute them around the world so we can govern what tehy do? Is that your fantasy?

No its not a fantasy... nor will it be a reality.. see the real reality is you will go to work for major "contractors"... to be sent overseas to make vast sums of money from the administrations "buddies" Halliburton...KBR....Blackwell etc... that much of is tax free because its made outside the country.

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Dude - the "war for oil" and "war for Halliburton" rhetoric is SOOOO 2004... and again, if this was true... where's the indictments and convictions?

Right, all crimes go indicted and punished. I'm thinking here..... hmmmm, where would these investigations and indictments come from..... hmmmm, I can't think here.... oh yea, could it be Congress? OH YEA, but the Repugs have that lined with their buddies so that will never happen unless we get control of at least 1 house, which is why Bush is shitting his pants right now. He doesn;t give a shit abiout yoru party, just that he can slither out of office b4 the Dem storm becomes a reality.

Hmm.... I'd say the whole Abramoff deal pretty much shoots THAT conspiracy theory out of the water.... what else ya got?

Mike
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Yeah, the "brainwashing"... wasn't that the part where they take you in the saucer and do the experiments on you?

No, that was fun tho

I wonder why most GI's are Repub? If you openly stated you were Dem you would be strung up. I didn't know/care about politics.

No comment on your fascist boy giving you raises smaller than Clinton gave you? I guess the topics that sting get ignored.

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Kerry is a top leader of the dem party.

And here I thought it was Dean????? Hmmmmm.

I think you're confusing "a" with "the". Hmmmmm.

HUH? ---> Dean is the head of the Dems, Kerry is the guy who lost the presidential race.

So, anyone claiming John Kerry was a high ranking Senator would be incorrect?

How about Hillary? Could she be considered a top leader in the Democratic Party?

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Dude - the "war for oil" and "war for Halliburton" rhetoric is SOOOO 2004... and again, if this was true... where's the indictments and convictions?

Right, all crimes go indicted and punished. I'm thinking here..... hmmmm, where would these investigations and indictments come from..... hmmmm, I can't think here.... oh yea, could it be Congress? OH YEA, but the Repugs have that lined with their buddies so that will never happen unless we get control of at least 1 house, which is why Bush is shitting his pants right now. He doesn;t give a shit abiout yoru party, just that he can slither out of office b4 the Dem storm becomes a reality.

Hmm.... I'd say the whole Abramoff deal pretty much shoots THAT conspiracy theory out of the water.... what else ya got?

So with one set of convictions from the same incident that means all are accounted for. We'll see what comes down if the Dems get control of one house.

BTW, these investigations DO come from Congress.

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Kerry is a top leader of the dem party.

And here I thought it was Dean????? Hmmmmm.

I think you're confusing "a" with "the". Hmmmmm.

HUH? ---> Dean is the head of the Dems, Kerry is the guy who lost the presidential race.

So, anyone claiming John Kerry was a high ranking Senator would be incorrect?

How about Hillary? Could she be considered a top leader in the Democratic Party?

They only count for 1 vote, just as the most obscure senator.

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>I'm sure AQ and the Taliban will be very impressed when the Dems
>pull the troops out...

Right now the Taliban is lovin' the Bush administration. He gave his approval for the new Taliban sanctuary in Pakistan. They've been wanting a safe haven for a while now; thoughful of Pervez to give them one. And the war in Iraq is generating more recruits for the Taliban and Al Qaeda than they've ever managed before.

Problem is, if democrats get back in power, they may change course, go back and win the war in Afghanistan - and that would suck for the Taliban. Might even end the war in Iraq, which would reduce the number of recruits and remove their training grounds. Might even make them angry! And we wouldn't want that.