Gravitymaster 0 #1 November 2, 2006 Mideast terror leaders to U.S.: Vote Democrat Withdrawal from Iraq would embolden jihadists to destroy Israel, America -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Aaron Klein JERUSALEM – Everybody has an opinion about next Tuesday's midterm congressional election in the U.S. – including senior terrorist leaders interviewed by WND who say they hope Americans sweep the Democrats into power because of the party's position on withdrawing from Iraq, a move, as they see it, that ensures victory for the worldwide Islamic resistance. The terrorists told WorldNetDaily an electoral win for the Democrats would prove to them Americans are "tired." They rejected statements from some prominent Democrats in the U.S. that a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency, explaining an evacuation would prove resistance works and would compel jihadists to continue fighting until America is destroyed. They said a withdrawal would also embolden their own terror groups to enhance "resistance" against Israel. "Of course Americans should vote Democrat," Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group and the infamous leader of the 2002 siege of Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity, told WND. "This is why American Muslims will support the Democrats, because there is an atmosphere in America that encourages those who want to withdraw from Iraq. It is time that the American people support those who want to take them out of this Iraqi mud," said Jaara, speaking to WND from exile in Ireland, where he was sent as part of an internationally brokered deal that ended the church siege. Jaara was the chief in Bethlehem of the Brigades, the declared "military wing" of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party. Together with the Islamic Jihad terror group, the Brigades has taken responsibility for every suicide bombing inside Israel the past two years, including an attack in Tel Aviv in April that killed American teenager Daniel Wultz and nine Israelis. Muhammad Saadi, a senior leader of Islamic Jihad in the northern West Bank town of Jenin, said the Democrats' talk of withdrawal from Iraq makes him feel "proud." "As Arabs and Muslims we feel proud of this talk," he told WND. "Very proud from the great successes of the Iraqi resistance. This success that brought the big superpower of the world to discuss a possible withdrawal." Abu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the policy of withdrawal "proves the strategy of the resistance is the right strategy against the occupation." "We warned the Americans that this will be their end in Iraq," said Abu Abdullah, considered one of the most important operational members of Hamas' Izzedine al-Qassam Martyrs Brigades, Hamas' declared "resistance" department. "They did not succeed in stealing Iraq's oil, at least not at a level that covers their huge expenses. They did not bring stability. Their agents in the [Iraqi] regime seem to have no chance to survive if the Americans withdraw." Abu Ayman, an Islamic Jihad leader in Jenin, said he is "emboldened" by those in America who compare the war in Iraq to Vietnam. "[The mujahedeen fighters] brought the Americans to speak for the first time seriously and sincerely that Iraq is becoming a new Vietnam and that they should fix a schedule for their withdrawal from Iraq," boasted Abu Ayman. The terror leaders spoke as the debate regarding the future of America's war in Iraq has perhaps become the central theme of midterm elections, with most Democrats urging a timetable for withdrawal and Republicans mostly advocating staying the course in Iraq. President Bush has even said he would send more troops if Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Baghdad, said they are needed to stabilize the region The debate became especially poignant following remarks by Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., the 2004 presidential candidate who voted in support of the war in Iraq. Earlier this week he intimated American troops are uneducated, and it is the uneducated who "get stuck in Iraq." Kerry, under intense pressure from fellow Democrats, now says his remarks were a "botched joke." Terror leaders reject Nancy Pelosi's comments on Iraqi insurgency Many Democratic politicians and some from the Republican Party have stated a withdrawal from Iraq would end the insurgency there. In a recent interview with CBS's "60 Minutes," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, stated, "The jihadists (are) in Iraq. But that doesn't mean we stay there. They'll stay there as long as we're there." Pelosi would become House speaker if the Democrats win the majority of seats in next week's elections. WND read Pelosi's remarks to the terror leaders, who unanimously rejected her contention an American withdrawal would end the insurgency. Islamic Jihad's Saadi, laughing, stated, "There is no chance that the resistance will stop." He said an American withdrawal from Iraq would "prove the resistance is the most important tool and that this tool works. The victory of the Iraqi revolution will mark an important step in the history of the region and in the attitude regarding the United States." Jihad Jaara said an American withdrawal would "mark the beginning of the collapse of this tyrant empire (America)." "Therefore, a victory in Iraq would be a greater defeat for America than in Vietnam." Jaara said vacating Iraq would also "reinforce Palestinian resistance organizations, especially from the moral point of view. But we also learn from these (insurgency) movements militarily. We look and learn from them." Hamas' Abu Abdullah argued a withdrawal from Iraq would "convince those among the Palestinians who still have doubts in the efficiency of the resistance." "The victory of the resistance in Iraq would prove once more that when the will and the faith are applied victory is not only a slogan. We saw that in Lebanon (during Israel's confrontation against Hezbollah there in July and August); we saw it in Gaza (after Israel withdrew from the territory last summer) and we will see it everywhere there is occupation," Abdullah said. While the terror leaders each independently compelled American citizens to vote for Democratic candidates, not all believed the Democrats would actually carry out a withdrawal from Iraq. Saadi stated, "Unfortunately I think those who are speaking about a withdrawal will not do so when they are in power and these promises will remain electoral slogans. It is not enough to withdraw from Iraq. They must withdraw from Afghanistan and from every Arab and Muslim land they occupy or have bases." He called both Democrats and Republicans "agents of the Zionist lobby in the U.S." Abu Abdullah commented once Democrats are in power "the question is whether such a courageous leadership can [withdraw]. I am afraid that even after the American people will elect those who promise to leave Iraq, the U.S. will not do so. I tell the American people vote for withdrawal. Abandon Israel if you want to save America. Now will this Happen? I do not believe it." Still Jihad Jaara said the alternative is better than Bush's party. "Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #2 November 2, 2006 Hmm, then maybe we should occupy & dominate all of the Middle East forever. otherwise the terrorists will have won. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 November 2, 2006 What is the link you use to check the political leanings of the journalist???? To see if you want to read ANYTHING they write that might be LEFTIST??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #4 November 2, 2006 QuoteHmm, then maybe we should occupy & dominate all of the Middle East forever. otherwise the terrorists will have won. I think gradual withdrawl as Iraqi Troops and Police take over is a better plan. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #5 November 2, 2006 Why would terrorist leaders want to remove or weaken the administration who has done more for them than any administration in recent history? (with the possible exception of the Reagan administration.) Al Qaeda's getting stronger, they have record numbers of new recruits, they pulled off 9/11, and the US has made it easy for terrorists to claim that westerners hate all muslims. The Iraq war has provided them with a perfect training ground, and they're using that to full advantage. Musharraf (with Bush's approval) recently gave them a sanctuary in Pakistan to operate out of. Terrorist attacks are up worldwide, and are becoming more effective. And they'd want to give all this up . . . why? Sounds like the Orrin Hatch gambit again - "maybe if we claim terrorists want people to vote democratic, voters will think democrats are just like terrorists!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #6 November 2, 2006 QuoteWhat is the link you use to check the political leanings of the journalist???? To see if you want to read ANYTHING they write that might be LEFTIST??? If you don't want to read it, then don't read it. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #7 November 2, 2006 Quote"Bush is a sick person, an alcoholic person that has no control of what is going on around him. He calls to send more troops but will very soon get to the conviction that the violence and terror that his war machine is using in Iraq will never impose policies and political regimes in the Arab world." I wonder if his intel is more up to date than his appraisal of Bush's alcoholism? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 November 2, 2006 QuoteWhy would terrorist leaders want to remove or weaken the administration who has done more for them than any administration in recent history? (with the possible exception of the Reagan administration.) Al Qaeda's getting stronger, they have record numbers of new recruits, they pulled off 9/11, and the US has made it easy for terrorists to claim that westerners hate all muslims. The Iraq war has provided them with a perfect training ground, and they're using that to full advantage. Musharraf (with Bush's approval) recently gave them a sanctuary in Pakistan to operate out of. Terrorist attacks are up worldwide, and are becoming more effective. And they'd want to give all this up . . . why? Sounds like the Orrin Hatch gambit again - "maybe if we claim terrorists want people to vote democratic, voters will think democrats are just like terrorists!" I think that was made very clear with direct quotes from the terrorists. Unless you are now going to claim they mispoke and should apologize. - - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #9 November 2, 2006 Here's another quote from the Terrorists after the Madrid bombings in 2004: QuoteSpanish authorities suspect an Al Qaeda-linked cell carried out the bombings. Moroccan authorities have said the emerging evidence in the Madrid attacks points toward Ansar al-Islam, a guerrilla group blamed for terrorist strikes in Iraq, Jordan, Turkey and Morocco. Other groups believed to be involved in the bombings are Salafia Jihadia (search) and Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group (search). In its statement, Abu Hafs al-Masri said it was calling a truce in Spain to give the socialist government that was elected Sunday, three days after the train attacks, time to carry out its pledge to withdraw troops from Iraq. The group appeared to boast it had the power to change governments. "We change and destroy countries," the statement said. "We even influence the international economy, and this is God's blessing to us." The statement tells American voters that Abu Hafs al-Masri supports the re-election campaign of President Bush: "We are very keen that Bush does not lose the upcoming elections." The statement said Abu Hafs al-Masri needs what it called Bush's "idiocy and religious fanaticism" because they would "wake up" the Islamic world. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #10 November 2, 2006 Sounds like a crock of shit to me. Despite what this reporter says the terrorists said, most Dems do not advocate an immediate withdrawl from Iraq. They just favor a plan other than 'stay the course'. As far as Israel goes in this mess, maybe they need to step up and deal with Iran. We can't fight all of their battles for them. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #11 November 2, 2006 >I think that was made very clear with direct quotes from the terrorists. Glad you trust them so much! Interesting that you'd take the word of a terrorist over a US National Intelligence Estimate. But whatever wins an election, eh? Personally, I think terrorists sometimes stretch the truth. Sometimes, they may even lie to accomplish their aims! (Hard to believe, but true.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #12 November 2, 2006 QuoteWhat is the link you use to check the political leanings of the journalist???? To see if you want to read ANYTHING they write that might be LEFTIST??? Google.com is a good place to start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #13 November 2, 2006 QuoteSounds like a crock of shit to me. Despite what this reporter says the terrorists said, most Dems do not advocate an immediate withdrawl from Iraq. They just favor a plan other than 'stay the course'. . But "stay the course" now means whatever you want it to mean.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #14 November 2, 2006 Quote>I think that was made very clear with direct quotes from the terrorists. Glad you trust them so much! Interesting that you'd take the word of a terrorist over a US National Intelligence Estimate. But whatever wins an election, eh? Personally, I think terrorists sometimes stretch the truth. Sometimes, they may even lie to accomplish their aims! (Hard to believe, but true.) Where did I say anything even close to that? I never even said whether I believed the article. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #15 November 2, 2006 >Where did I say anything even close to that? Ah, so you meant to say "nothing was made clear with direct quotes from the terrorists?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 November 2, 2006 QuoteWhat is the link you use to check the political leanings of the journalist???? To see if you want to read ANYTHING they write that might be LEFTIST??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Google.com is a good place to start. I get so confused these days... I mean I need to make sure my news is coming from approved news sources. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 November 2, 2006 Quote>Where did I say anything even close to that? Ah, so you meant to say "nothing was made clear with direct quotes from the terrorists?" I was trying to point out that those were direct quotes from the terrorists as opposed to the writers opinion. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #18 November 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteSounds like a crock of shit to me. Despite what this reporter says the terrorists said, most Dems do not advocate an immediate withdrawl from Iraq. They just favor a plan other than 'stay the course'. . But "stay the course" now means whatever you want it to mean. Yeah.... My wife asked what I'd like to do Saturday night, and I said I'd like to "stay the course." Which, of course, means ass sex. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #19 November 2, 2006 QuoteWhy would terrorist leaders want to remove or weaken the administration who has done more for them than any administration in recent history? (with the possible exception of the Reagan administration.) Al Qaeda's getting stronger, they have record numbers of new recruits, they pulled off 9/11, and the US has made it easy for terrorists to claim that westerners hate all muslims. The Iraq war has provided them with a perfect training ground, and they're using that to full advantage. Musharraf (with Bush's approval) recently gave them a sanctuary in Pakistan to operate out of. Terrorist attacks are up worldwide, and are becoming more effective. And they'd want to give all this up . . . why? Sounds like the Orrin Hatch gambit again - "maybe if we claim terrorists want people to vote democratic, voters will think democrats are just like terrorists!" Before the war in Iraq, this claim was already taking place. They hated the western world, and then started to build up on that, not the other way around."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 November 2, 2006 WorldNetDaily Uh . . . great source. I laughed. For those that don't know WHY I laughed . . . click here.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #21 November 2, 2006 My quote about the terrorists wanting us to vote for Bush in 2004 came from FOX news! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 November 2, 2006 QuoteWorldNetDaily Uh . . . great source. I laughed. For those that don't know WHY I laughed . . . click here. What's even funnier is quoting Wikipedia as a source to refute WND. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #23 November 2, 2006 QuoteMy quote about the terrorists wanting us to vote for Bush in 2004 came from FOX news! That conclusion apparently came from the CIA. I guess the right is going to just call that more "bad intel". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,112 #24 November 2, 2006 >Before the war in Iraq, this claim was already taking place. I recall the Iran hostage crisis, where terrorists used hostages to get a republican elected president. Are you referring to something else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #25 November 2, 2006 QuoteWhy would terrorist leaders want to remove or weaken the administration who has done more for them than any administration in recent history? (with the possible exception of the Reagan administration.) Al Qaeda's getting stronger, they have record numbers of new recruits, they pulled off 9/11, and the US has made it easy for terrorists to claim that westerners hate all muslims. The Iraq war has provided them with a perfect training ground, and they're using that to full advantage. Musharraf (with Bush's approval) recently gave them a sanctuary in Pakistan to operate out of. Terrorist attacks are up worldwide, and are becoming more effective. And they'd want to give all this up . . . why? Because they are getting the crap kicked out of them. What about the letter from the Al Qaeda leader (can't remember which, but it was one of the biggies) that went on about how much they have been hurt, how their operations have been damaged? The letter was not intended for the western press.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
