SkyDekker 1,465 #26 November 2, 2006 QuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 November 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #28 November 2, 2006 >At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored . . . True! By those standards, Hirohito was the best emperor Japan ever had. He paid attention to the American threat that all the other emperors foolishly ignored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 November 2, 2006 Quote>At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored . . . True! By those standards, Hirohito was the best emperor Japan ever had. He paid attention to the American threat that all the other emperors foolishly ignored. You are the master of twist spin bob and weave. I have yet to see you stay focused in a thread. Abstract conversation only distracts............."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 November 2, 2006 QuoteAt least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored well, according to the intelligence community, Bush really has only increased the threat to the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #31 November 2, 2006 >I have yet to see you stay focused in a thread. Well, since I'm not a republican, I can't just derail the thread into "Clinton got a blowjob!" at the drop of a hat. >Abstract conversation only distracts . . . And abstract concepts only confuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 November 2, 2006 Quote>I have yet to see you stay focused in a thread. Well, since I'm not a republican, I can't just derail the thread into "Clinton got a blowjob!" at the drop of a hat. >Abstract conversation only distracts . . . And abstract concepts only confuse. See, you are good at it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #33 November 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteAt least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored well, according to the intelligence community, Bush really has only increased the threat to the US. that is what PART of it said. but parts are all the left can use because the report in totall puts out a different story huh?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #34 November 2, 2006 Quotethat is what PART of it said. Yup, but I am sure it was all Clinton's fault in your eyes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 November 2, 2006 QuoteQuotethat is what PART of it said. Yup, but I am sure it was all Clinton's fault in your eyes. Now you gotta put words in my mouth to distract from the topic??"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 November 2, 2006 QuoteNow you gotta put words in my mouth to distract from the topic?? Do you agree that Bush has only added to the threat against the US. or do you disagree with the US Intelligence community? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 November 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteNow you gotta put words in my mouth to distract from the topic?? Do you agree that Bush has only added to the threat against the US. or do you disagree with the US Intelligence community? I believe he has consentrated them and probably increased the numbers of them. (as would happen with any group in a fight) I also believe the current threat the US is less right now because the terrorists are consentrating on Iraq. I also believe if we leave now the numbers and the threat to the US will be multiplied by many. I believe the current violence rate will drop dramaticly in a week as I think the current level is because of the elections. The terrorists are smart and know they can not beat our military but they have seen a history of us running when the going gets tough. And as Osam has said, that is how they intend to defeat us. Some of my beliefs. Time will tell if I am even close."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #38 November 2, 2006 QuoteAnd as Osam has said, that is how they intend to defeat us. Some of my beliefs. Time will tell if I am even close. DUDE.. please.. by all means go get into the fight...we are all feeling SOOOO helpless here in the land of the free and the hom e of the brave.. but someone needs to be brave and go get us more freedom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #39 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored Clinton didn't ignore the threat. He just didn't go off gung ho without a plan, on poor intelligence. He may not have gotten OBL, but he didn't get him for a whole lot less money and fewer lives than Bush has wasted not getting him.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored Clinton didn't ignore the threat. He just didn't go off gung ho without a plan, on poor intelligence. He may not have gotten OBL, but he didn't get him for a whole lot less money and fewer lives than Bush has wasted not getting him. I was refering to North Korea"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 November 3, 2006 Quote>Self imposed blindness does not become you Are you now claiming that North Korea did NOT develop a nuclear weapon on Bush's watch? Hmm. Did the Iraqis really welcome us as liberators, as well? Why are you so damed intent with screwing with the context?? Framing a question to screw with reality is insulting. You and others on the site try constantly to put words in to others mouths Knock it off...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #42 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored Clinton didn't ignore the threat. He just didn't go off gung ho without a plan, on poor intelligence. He may not have gotten OBL, but he didn't get him for a whole lot less money and fewer lives than Bush has wasted not getting him. I was refering to North Korea In that case, Bush ignored the threat from the time they announced to the world that they had a nuclear program until they tested a nuclear device. Maybe he was just confused and didn't realize what was going on since NK never announced a nukular program.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored Clinton didn't ignore the threat. He just didn't go off gung ho without a plan, on poor intelligence. He may not have gotten OBL, but he didn't get him for a whole lot less money and fewer lives than Bush has wasted not getting him. I was refering to North Korea In that case, Bush ignored the threat from the time they announced to the world that they had a nuclear program until they tested a nuclear device. Maybe he was just confused and didn't realize what was going on since NK never announced a nukular program. No, he didn't. He simply stated that one on one talks did not work. He said he learned that from Clintons attempt. So, he said the US would be involved in talks only when China, Russia, Japan and others were at the table too because he know that NK would not listen to just the US along. Looks like good leadership and proper understanding to me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #44 November 3, 2006 QuoteFraming a question to screw with reality is insulting. You and others on the site try constantly to put words in to others mouths THE EIB ( Butt Boil Draft Dodger Broadcasting )does it every day to some right wingers here...I mean he is the Poster Boy for the Republican party's hypocrisy.. yet a lot of his words come flying out of some peoples mouths on a daily basis... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #45 November 3, 2006 QuoteNo, he didn't. He simply stated that one on one talks did not work. He said he learned that from Clintons attempt. So, he said the US would be involved in talks only when China, Russia, Japan and others were at the table too because he know that NK would not listen to just the US along. Looks like good leadership and proper understanding to me So North Korea announces their nuclear weapons program and Bush invades Iraq in response sound like good leadership and proper understanding? It is fair to say you and I hold our leaders to different standards.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 November 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI think it is more that someone created the mess and someone who now has the benetit of hind sight has to clean it up. Yeah, like the next President will have to clean up the mess Bush has created. And the President after and the President after that and quite possibly the President after that too. (and that is all double terms too) At least he is paying attention to the thread that clinton ignored Clinton didn't ignore the threat. He just didn't go off gung ho without a plan, on poor intelligence. He may not have gotten OBL, but he didn't get him for a whole lot less money and fewer lives than Bush has wasted not getting him. I was refering to North Korea In that case, Bush ignored the threat from the time they announced to the world that they had a nuclear program until they tested a nuclear device. Maybe he was just confused and didn't realize what was going on since NK never announced a nukular program. No, he didn't. He simply stated that one on one talks did not work. He said he learned that from Clintons attempt. So, he said the US would be involved in talks only when China, Russia, Japan and others were at the table too because he know that NK would not listen to just the US along. Looks like good leadership and proper understanding to me So North Korea announces their nuclear weapons program and Bush invades Iraq in response sound like good leadership and proper understanding? It is fair to say you and I hold our leaders to different standards. These are parallel events. Can't two things happen at once? Oh, and yes it does given the circumstances."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #47 November 3, 2006 QuoteThese are parallel events. Can't two things happen at once? Oh, and yes it does given the circumstances. Personally, I didn't consider either country a threat to our security. Having said that, which makes more sense for a leader worried about WMD: Invading a country that might, but probably doesn't, have a nuclear weapons program or Doing something about a country that openly announces to the world that they have a nuclear weapons program.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #48 November 3, 2006 The Associated Press Thursday, November 2, 2006; 9:20 PM WASHINGTON -- A former State Department official who maintains contact with North Korea said Thursday U.S. dealings with that country have been hampered by missteps and lack of a coherent policy. "You can't get anywhere without a clear roadmap, and we don't have one," said Kenneth Quinones, who served as State Department liaison with North Korea's U.N. mission between 2004 and 2006. He said a promising efforts last year to resume six-party nuclear disarmament talks fell by the wayside when President Bush referred to North Korean Chairman Kim Jong Il as a "tyrant." Quinones, who spoke at the U.S.-Korea Institute, said the North Koreans told U.S. officials, "We're not coming back until the president stops the criticism." Weeks later, he said, there was fresh progress toward a new round, but Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld soured the atmosphere when he announced stealth fighter planes were being sent to South Korea. Talks were finally resumed in Beijing in September 2005, and the session ended with a breakthrough communique that included broad agreement on a number of issues, including a North Korean commitment to dismantle its nuclear weapons. But the good feelings dissipated within 48 hours, Quinones said, when a dispute erupted over whether North Korea should receive light water reactors before carrying out nuclear disarmament. North Korea agreed recently to return to the six-party talks after a boycott of almost a year. Since the last round, the North has tested missiles and a nuclear device. As a result, Quinones said, "the price for a diplomatic resolution will be far higher than it would have been last year." The next round could start before the end of the year. Quinones said that North Korea is eager to revive the 1994 Agreed Framework under which it was to receive two light water nuclear reactors in return for the freezing of nuclear facilities at Yongbyon. That agreement lapsed in late 2002, one element in a steady deterioration in relations with the United States. Work on the reactors, financed by Japan and South Korea, has been suspended for several years. Quinones once served as North Korea desk officer at the State Department. He retired from the diplomatic corps in 1996 but was recalled to duty in 2004 for the intermediary role with the North Korean U.N. mission. He said mistrust has permeated the U.S.-North Korean relationship. "The North Koreans don't want to negotiate with a government they do not comprehend," he said. "They found that the rules constantly changed." Mistrust "can be devastating to diplomacy," he said.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 November 3, 2006 doing a google on Kennth reveals he did not like Clintons aproach either......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 November 3, 2006 QuotePresident Bush referred to North Korean Chairman Kim Jong Il as a "tyrant." tyrant –noun 1. a sovereign or other ruler who uses power oppressively or unjustly. 2. any person in a position of authority who exercises power oppressively or despotically. 3. a tyrannical or compulsory influence. 4. an absolute ruler, esp. one in ancient Greece or Sicily. Or coming to a country near you soon. Good old George....I guess it takes one to know one... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
