Kerry's recent comments

[Royd 0]

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Face the fact that Bush is a liar, a coward and is responsible for more death than Saddam is.

Yea, we'll buy that bs. Got some real numbers?

[Lucky... 0]

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>But most combat veterans who served with John Kerry in Vietnam see
>him in a very different light.

The thread starts out with people who are DISGUSTED! OUTRAGED! AGHAST! that Kerry would smear servicemen.

Then, a few pages down, we have the same people smearing a serviceman.

SC at its finest.

Bill, that is a total load of crap.

Kerry has insulted all of the military, and done it more than once.

The swift boater's campaign ads in '04 insulted just one member of the military.

Huge difference.

Utilitarianism at its finest.

[billvon 3,120]

>Oh, and you generalize once again.

Sorry, I'll add a caveat:

Some loyal Bush apologists believe that the Swift Boaters were simply speaking their own conscience, and that the millions they received from the GOP had NOTHING to do with what they said. How's dat?

[billvon 3,120]

>Huge difference.

Of course. Like I said, it was a democrat that was being smeared. Which makes it completely different.

[sundevil777 102]

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No one believes the Swift Boaters were standing on principle - they were standing on a very big pile of GOP money.

Your contempt is showing, that is OK, good to let everyone know what you really think of others, just in case they haven't been able to pick it up already.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[sundevil777 102]

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>Huge difference.

Of course. Like I said, it was a democrat that was being smeared. Which makes it completely different.

What makes it different is that an individual was attacked for his specific actions. Kerry attacked the military as a whole.

Huge difference.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Amazon 7]

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Kerry attacked the military as a whole.

Yet he has done more for the military and veterans more than MOST of the republican party...

AGAIN... know them by their DEEDS... not the words... the RIGHT is BIG with words.. and a LACK of deeds.

[rushmc 23]

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No one believes the Swift Boaters were standing on principle - they were standing on a very big pile of GOP money.

Your contempt is showing, that is OK, good to let everyone know what you really think of others, just in case they haven't been able to pick it up already.

I did not post this. billvon did.......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

This is just rehashing the "discussion" from 2 years ago. No-one is listening, no-one can prove anything, and no-one will change their position.

Time to lock the thread.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[juanesky 0]

Really? Was the pay increase, life insurance, reserve and National guards reforms-pay etc done because of Kerry? I did not know that.

I know there are people that fall through the cracks, but not having your records updated and copied accordingly has been a life time issue in the military.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[Amazon 7]

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Really? Was the pay increase, life insurance, reserve and National guards reforms-pay etc done because of Kerry? I did not know that.

I know you will not believe this..
BUT ITS DA FACT >>>>JACK
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0421103&type=category&category=Defense&go.x=9&go.y=6

- Authorizes a pay raise between 5 and 10 percent for all active-duty military personnel


- $8.3 billion for ballistic missile defense, but allows the President to allot $1.3 billion of these funds towards Homeland Security

- $125 billion for Pentagon operations and maintenance

- $10.5 billion for military construction and family housing

- $47.8 billion for research and development

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3643&can_id=S0421103


S Amdt 1937 to HR 2863: To ensure that future funding for health care for former members of the Armed Forces takes into account changes in population and inflation.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act to allow for adoption of an amendment that increases funding for the Veterans Health Administration in order to account for inflation and changes in the number of veterans using the health services.



Looks to me that he has done one hell of a lot for the military and veterans.... but go ahead and keep HATING the man.

[sundevil777 102]

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No one believes the Swift Boaters were standing on principle - they were standing on a very big pile of GOP money.

Your contempt is showing, that is OK, good to let everyone know what you really think of others, just in case they haven't been able to pick it up already.

I did not post this. billvon did.......

Quite right, I had replied and edited down from the wrong post. Previous post edited to reflect.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[mnealtx 0]

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Kerry attacked the military as a whole.

Yet he has done more for the military and veterans more than MOST of the republican party...

AGAIN... know them by their DEEDS... not the words... the RIGHT is BIG with words.. and a LACK of deeds.

Yeah.. like that 87 billion dollar defense spending bill he voted against... that had 300 million in it for body armor?

HMMWV? Stryker LAV? The HMMVW was never designed to be a line of battle vehicle, and even with upgrades, does not handle the weight of up-armor kits well. The Stryker has better armor, but the same limitations on off-road mobility as the HMMWV.

Mike
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