Kerry's recent comments

[TheAnvil 0]

My, my, but was the rhetoric from Monsieur Kerry most vitriolic today or what? LoL. Though I'm sure he meant his remarks to be a swipe at the White House more than anything else, I believe the remarks for which he is being castigated would not have come out of his mouth if Kerry truly had a respect for military service today. I think such remarks indicative of the contempt with which many on the ultra left - most certainly not moderate or even most left leaning folks - have towards the military. Such remarks would go over well in the presence of Dean, Soros, Pelosi, and their ilk.

"I apologize to no one." said Mr. Kerry. Well, I'm wondering who was expecting an apology. If memory serves, he never apologized for his despicable remarks he made in front of Congress after leaving the army so many years ago. Why should anyone expect an apology now?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Royd 0]

Then, he called everyone who supposedly misunderstood his words, crazy.

[billvon 3,120]

>I believe the remarks for which he is being castigated would not
>have come out of his mouth if Kerry truly had a respect for military
>service today.

Neither side has any respect for military service today. Remember who called soldiers interchangeable "fungible" resources? Heck, look at the hate the right wing poured onto a grieving mother who had the gall to speak her mind.

[Andy9o8 2]

1. There's already a thread about this; you're wasting bandwidth, Tiny.

2. He was in the Navy. White uniforms, and all that.

3. One may love or hate what he said before Congress as a very young man. Either sentiment is understandable. But at least he had the stones to volunteer for, and serve in, actual combat; and he also had the willingness to speak out in an extremely public forum, knowing it would subject him to as much scorn as praise.

4. Back during Nam, mostly the poor & blue collar types got drafted; the wealthier ones like Cheney got college deferments, or like Bush and Quayle got choice slots in the National Guard. Nowadays the demographics still skew to less-affluent, less-educated kids going into the service, because without an education there are fewer employment options, and college is damned expensive, so for many the service is both an employment alternative and a way to get money to pay for college. That's a simple fact. So Kerry pointed that out kind of crudely, and is now being called out for not being P.C. But I thought Republicans scorn being P.C.? I guess the shoe hurts when it's on the other foot (not referring to you, Vinnie, but more to the "outrage" of the Rightie mouthpieces like Tony Snow and Bay Buchanan).

Admit it, Vinnie – you're not pissed so much because you think he's wrong. You're pissed because he's a sanctimonious Massachusetts rich boy.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Ouch!!! that's what I call a Smackdown.

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What's unclear is if Kerry's comments will help rally Republican voters or help their party portray Democrats as against the troops to score victories next Tuesday. A Democratic congressman told ABC News, Tuesday, "I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2619383&page=2

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[billvon 3,120]

>"I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."

You know, it wouldn't suprise me if there are people out there so dumb that they are thinking he's running for something this election.

Hmm. Democrats might use this to their advantage! Maybe they can get the GOP to dump millions into the defeat-Kerry fund. After all, the election is only a week away! Get busy, conservatives!

[rushmc 23]

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>I believe the remarks for which he is being castigated would not
>have come out of his mouth if Kerry truly had a respect for military
>service today.

Neither side has any respect for military service today. Remember who called soldiers interchangeable "fungible" resources? Heck, look at the hate the right wing poured onto a grieving mother who had the gall to speak her mind.

I really do not believe that is the way you percieve that whole mess. If anyone is making her the victum here it is the left and the drive by media. I think you know that!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>"I guess Kerry wasn't content blowing 2004, now he wants to blow 2006, too."

You know, it wouldn't suprise me if there are people out there so dumb that they are thinking he's running for something this election.

Hmm. Democrats might use this to their advantage! Maybe they can get the GOP to dump millions into the defeat-Kerry fund. After all, the election is only a week away! Get busy, conservatives!

I think the D's greatest fear is Kerry reminding the R's what the D's really stand for. D's are counting heavily on a low R turnout due to anger over Foley and the War. Almost no D's are discussing the issues (nor are a lot of R's) but Kerry could help blow that for them as this election is about Bush and not the issues.

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[sundevil777 102]

I'd like to know if Kerry still has his medals, but he refuses to show them. When asked during the '04 election, he said he didn't really toss them.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[TheAnvil 0]

Actually, I'm not pissed at all - merely amused. It's unlike Kerry to say something that dumb. He is sticking to his guns and not apologizing though - out of character for him not to flip-flop or backpedal, but commendable in a way I suppose.

I don't like his insinuation, nonetheless. There are more options out there than college and the military for young people. Some people entering the military's enlisted ranks aren't that bright, and some others are some of the sharpest people you'll ever meet - the same holds true for its officer corps. The military itself being somewhat of a microcosm of society, the intellectual abilities of its members does vary a bit. There are minimum entrance requirements, however. I digress. The military recruiting commands can't be all that pleased with Comrade Kerry's remarks, that's for sure.

Kerry's lies back in the 60's were despicable then and despicable now. I am a bit suprised at the level of vitriol coming out of him today, however. Quite surprised, in fact. Political rhetoric has gotten much more vitriolic as a general rule of thumb over the past few years, I've noticed.

Bill - the military itself often refers to its members as resources and human capital at the flag/SES level. The term Human Capital Strategy has been a buzzword at the five-sided wind tunnel in DC for the past couple of years, in fact. I don't recall the 'fungible' gaffe GWB made, but if he was briefed by military officials on troop strengths, disposition, recruiting levels, manning projections, etc, I'm quite sure the word 'resources' would have been used to describe soldiers/sailors/marines/airmen more than once or twice during the brief. 'Fungible' - that's pretty funny. I think I like 'misunderestimated' the best, though.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[freethefly 6]

It was a botched joke aimed at the WH, not neccesarily at the troops. I agree that he should give an apology but, beyond that, what's the big deal? So, Kerry can not tell a joke very well? No big deal. Bush is far worst at running the country and even worst at running the military, which should be the greater concern and is a big deal.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[billvon 3,120]

>If anyone is making her the victum here it is the left and the drive by media.

The left didn't call her a whore.

[billvon 3,120]

>I think the D's greatest fear is Kerry reminding the R's what the D's really stand for.

Careful with that line of thinking. If Kerry represents all democrats just because he _is_ a democrat, then Foley/Cunningham/DeLay/Ney surely represent all republicans. So what's worse - the party that thinks that only poor kids join the military, or the party of pedophilia, fraud and embezzlment?

I understand the GOP's desperate attempts to find a "bad" democrat to smear, but it's going to backfire if they push very hard.

[rushmc 23]

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>I think the D's greatest fear is Kerry reminding the R's what the D's really stand for.

Careful with that line of thinking. If Kerry represents all democrats just because he _is_ a democrat, then Foley/Cunningham/DeLay/Ney surely represent all republicans. So what's worse - the party that thinks that only poor kids join the military, or the party of pedophilia, fraud and embezzlment?

I understand the GOP's desperate attempts to find a "bad" democrat to smear, but it's going to backfire if they push very hard.

Ya,

And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but the D's will keep Jim Webb.

Why? Because it is not about all the crap they spew about Foley, it is about regaining power.

Now, you decide what is worse

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>If anyone is making her the victum here it is the left and the drive by media.

The left didn't call her a whore.

Funny, off topic but funny.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>I think the D's greatest fear is Kerry reminding the R's what the D's really stand for.

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Careful with that line of thinking. If Kerry represents all democrats just because he _is_ a democrat, then Foley/Cunningham/DeLay/Ney surely represent all republicans.

You're right. I keep forgetting because many D's paint all R's as Bush clones. I gotta watch that.

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So what's worse - the party that thinks that only poor kids join the military, or the party of pedophilia, fraud and embezzlment?

You mean the party that thinks only dumb kids join the military don't you?

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I understand the GOP's desperate attempts to find a "bad" democrat to smear, but it's going to backfire if they push very hard.

As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles? I guess it's true, all's fair in love, war and politics.

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[billvon 3,120]

>And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but
>the D's will keep Jim Webb.

This is one of the reasons the GOP is headed for a loss. Republicans are actually equating someone who preys on children over the internet with someone who writes sexy books. Would you want a government leader to pass off pedophilia as no worse than someone who writes a letter to Penthouse Forum?

Most voters realize that one is plain old porn, the other a crime.

>Now, you decide what is worse

Pedophilia is worse.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>If anyone is making her the victum here it is the left and the drive by media.

The left didn't call her a whore.

Iirc she was called a Media-Whore.

[billvon 3,120]

>As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles?

The more the republicans try to claim that "one democrat is like all democrats" the more voters will believe that the GOP is the party of pedophiles. Want to avoid that label? Start debating the issues, rather than trying to smear a party based on one guy's dumb remarks.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but
>the D's will keep Jim Webb.

This is one of the reasons the GOP is headed for a loss. Republicans are actually equating someone who preys on children over the internet with someone who writes sexy books. Would you want a government leader to pass off pedophilia as no worse than someone who writes a letter to Penthouse Forum?

Most voters realize that one is plain old porn, the other a crime.

>Now, you decide what is worse

Pedophilia is worse.

I got too busy to keep up. Was it ever established that Foley actually had sex with a minor? Or was it just about what he wrote?

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[rushmc 23]

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>And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but
>the D's will keep Jim Webb.

This is one of the reasons the GOP is headed for a loss. Republicans are actually equating someone who preys on children over the internet with someone who writes sexy books. Would you want a government leader to pass off pedophilia as no worse than someone who writes a letter to Penthouse Forum?

Most voters realize that one is plain old porn, the other a crime.

>Now, you decide what is worse

Pedophilia is worse.

Hmm, I did not think Foley had any contact with a minor. did you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Gravitymaster 0]

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>As the D's have tried to smear the R's as the party of pediphiles?

The more the republicans try to claim that "one democrat is like all democrats" the more voters will believe that the GOP is the party of pedophiles. Want to avoid that label? Start debating the issues, rather than trying to smear a party based on one guy's dumb remarks.

Since Kerry ran for President, he is still an important icon of the D's and represents much of what they stand for (or don't stand for) to many people. Whats dumb about Kerry's remarks isn't so much what he said, but the timing. He's gotta know anything he says is going to be used as a hammer against his party. Right or wrong, that's what will happen.

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[rushmc 23]

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>And you need to remember the R's got rid of Foley very quickly.......but
>the D's will keep Jim Webb.

This is one of the reasons the GOP is headed for a loss. Republicans are actually equating someone who preys on children over the internet with someone who writes sexy books. Would you want a government leader to pass off pedophilia as no worse than someone who writes a letter to Penthouse Forum?

Most voters realize that one is plain old porn, the other a crime.

>Now, you decide what is worse

Pedophilia is worse.

You know as I thought more about your post this came to mind.

You either don't know the facts (just the talking points) or you don't really care.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tbrown 26]

As a California voter (who voted for Kerry in '04), I wish he'd have stayed the fuck out of our election. He was speaking at a rally for Phil Angelides, the Demo candidate who is running against Arnold the Governator, background for those of you non-Cali types.

He said something like "you can do well in school or end up stuck in Iraq". It pissed me off because even though I'm against the war in Iraq (no apologies either), I know a lot of well educated people who have gone and served there. I deeply respect their service and oppose the war entirely because I've always believed it was a poorly planned strategic blunder that is only squandering a lot of lives and treasure in the wrong place.

Anyway, lets see if I can wrap this up. I should've said I held my nose and voted for Kerry in '04. Ever since losing the election, he has been a complete asshole. The guy has an uncanny knack for showing up in the wrong places at the worst possible times and saying stupid things that embarass the shit out of me as an American AND as a Democrat. And yet this joker thinks he can actually win the noimination to run again ?

Fuck it, I gotta go (so does Kerry). At least I have trick-or-treaters at my door...

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[sundevil777 102]

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If Kerry represents all democrats just because he _is_ a democrat, then Foley/Cunningham/DeLay/Ney surely represent all republicans.

Gee whiz, he isn't just a democrat! Kerry was the Dem candidate for president. That is a huge difference that I think should be obvious.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am