Are Homophobic men really gay???

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Personally I kinda like it when I find a suprize tumescent male......


Ok back to the subject...

So.. they inteview the subjects... they find out which ones have homophobic tendencies...and which ones do not. ..and then they show them videos... the guys who did not have homophobic responses... did not get aroused.. while a statistically significant number of the homophobes did get aroused.....

Things that make you go HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM

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but is it proof of arousal?

If you were a man you'd know that hard ons can show up for a variety of reasons, the most common being that the owner is excited.

Rape videos seem to turn people on too, but I don't think those people are rapists.

Sorry, but I have to disagree here -- invalid comparison.

What is seen on the screen is a sexual act, that it constitutes a rape is a separate component. Your concious thought processes are influenced by the second part, but the more primitive parts of your brain will still show some sort of reaction to the first part as well.

Basically, if you showed the subjects homo- and heterosexual rape videos, the results would be similar; althought one hopes that the general level of arousal would be lower overall, as the concious mind does play a part as well...

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That is why liberals are more sanctimonious than 20 hookers in the first pew at church.

Or a president and Vice President in church at the National Prayer Service after the Inaugeration in the front pews laughing and playing around while the rest of the congregation were lifing up their voices to the Lord..

Well, in all fairness... that church in Yellowstone does overlook the Grand Tetons ("Big Tits" in French actually), so you can understand why Clinton attended.

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Uh wrong president.. the one doing that

The one I was referring to was your moral , born again one.. you know the guy who talks to GOD and then takes us to war...based on cherry picked lies.

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> but is it proof of arousal?

It's the primary indicator. In males, the clearest sign of arousal is tumescence.

>If you were a man you'd know that hard ons can show up for a variety
>of reasons, the most common being that the owner is excited.

That's correct. Males get erections when they are sexually excited; it physically prepares/enables them to have sex. That does _not_ mean that they are going to act on those feelings. Men might become aroused when they see nude pictures of syphilitic women, or pictures of rape, or of violent altercations between the sexes. That does not mean that they are planning on having sex with people in any of those situations - just that the image appeals to some part of their limbic system, and that's a part of the brain not generally under conscious control.

In other words, it does not mean that men who get aroused by gay porn are "going to go gay" or anything. It just means they become aroused when they see male sex acts.

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Personally I kinda like it when I find a suprize tumescent male......


Ok back to the subject...

So.. they inteview the subjects... they find out which ones have homophobic tendencies...and which ones do not. ..and then they show them videos... the guys who did not have homophobic responses... did not get aroused.. while a statistically significant number of the homophobes did get aroused.....

Things that make you go HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM

So. Now when I go to the doc and get my prostate checked and spring a big woody am I gay?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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Please provide an example of Rush's open homophobia. No need to do research for an exact quote, just a general paraphrasing will do.

I don't think you've answered a very important question - do you equate not supporting gay marriage as homophobia?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Uh wrong president.. the one doing that

Sorry, easy mistake. I thought you were discussing a discrepancy between moral action and moral posturing.

When a poll was done with 1,000 American women whether they would have sex with Clinton, 80% replied "never again". The NOW Legal Defense Group responded to the poll as preposterous because they had all done him and Hillary again.

But, since we are discussing studies.
One by Univ of New Hamp discusses "The Relationship between Hostility toward the Other Sex and Sexual Coercion". There were the allegations of coersion by Jones, Wiley, and a few others.

Based on this study, why do you exhibit so much hostility towards GWB ? Is this part of the Liberal-Sex-Dominant agenda as shown in the study?
Be honest. Admit your feelings.

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The subjects were shown gay porn.. and they got hard ons... there...does that help????

that sums it up!

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

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Please provide an example of Rush's open homophobia. No need to do research for an exact quote, just a general paraphrasing will do.

http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/343

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http://mediamatters.org/items/200411090003

LIMBAUGH: What's -- what's important when you go to school, Claire? Is it your sexual identity or learning? What's important when you go to school? Learning how to prepare yourself for the rest of your life or trumpeting your sexuality? You know, there --

CALLER: I don't think anyone's trumpeting their sexuality.

LIMBAUGH: Well, how do we know then that they're gay if they're not --

CALLER: Certainly (overlapping conversations; inaudible) --

LIMBAUGH: -- how do we know it? I mean, there's -- there's -- how do we know who's gay and who's straight unless somebody's out there making a big case about it? I think --

CALLER: No, no one's making a big case --

LIMBAUGH: -- some people are inviting dissent.

CALLER: I have -- I have --

LIMBAUGH: I think some of the militants in the gay community are actually asking for this fight, because --

CALLER: Well, remember, I'm in South Carolina --

LIMBAUGH: -- they want to be confrontational.

CALLER: I'm in South Carolina. We don't have militant gays. I have students who have been hurt and have come to me to talk about it

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Like I said before. I do not hate GW... I find him disingenuous.. a coward.. even a religious hypocrite....GWB has hurt this country.. far more than Clinton EVER did..But it seems incompetence is highly prized by those of you on the right.

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In other words, it does not mean that men who get aroused by gay porn are "going to go gay" or anything. It just means they become aroused when they see male sex acts.

I think that's the point, is it not? I mean, if they are aroused, it doesn't mean they are gay per se, but it means if they were open to it they might be, or they might be bisexual. (I say might because it definitely isn't an absolute.)

I think the phobia part of it is that they are subconsiously afraid they might be gay and don't want to be. (They don't have to know they have this subconsious dilemma to have it, either.) If they accepted that it is OK to be gay, they may actually become gay. (And they may not, even if they accepted it is OK to be gay.) But keep in mind that doesn't mean they don't also like women. They may.

Many species of animals don't care what the sex is of their partner and have gay and straight sex, except of course for procreation. It is natural.

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I think that you and Amazon should also look into the definition of priapism. Your answers are leaving out other possibilities/cause/etc.

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So telling a gay joke qualifies as an example of homophobia?

All that time spent researching and you still couldn't dig up an example.

What is your definition of homophobia?

Your other example is equally weak. I don't think that a student's sexual orientation is a topic that belongs in the classroom. Is it possible to hold this position without being a homophobe? Is it possible to oppose anything that gay rights advocates want without being vilified with the 'phobe label?

Also, the index of homophobia test referenced in your original post seems to have a bunch of questions having nothing to do with whether a person has an irrational fear of them. Crappy test, worthless result. Of course the psychologists that developed it will disagree. I wish I could post the test, I found a copy of the test earlier, but I could not find it again (without having to buy it).

There should be a new word created to describe the rational fear of being labeled a bigot if you oppose any part of some liberal special interest group's cause.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Ask Archie Bunker

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

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All that time spent researching and you still couldn't dig up an example.

What is your definition of homophobia?

Gee all you have to do is read right here on DIZZIE DOT COM.. there are a couple of posters.. who are the poster boys for it...

You are good at searching.. perhaps YOU can find some examples of what YOU would consider to be homophobic...

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There should be a new word created to describe the rational fear of being labeled a bigot if you oppose any part of some liberal special interest group's cause.

Hell the right wing has LOTS of those already...they use them to demonize anyone who does not agree with themYou just have to listen to Lush Rimjob and Micheal the Thavage to get your daily fix of Bigotry Racism and Homophobia..

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>I mean, if they are aroused, it doesn't mean they are gay per se, but
>it means if they were open to it they might be, or they might be bisexual.

That's right. All it indicates is that they have a reaction to that sort of material. Like someone else said - being aroused by a depiction of rape does NOT make one a rapist.

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All that time spent researching and you still couldn't dig up an example.

What is your definition of homophobia?

Gee all you have to do is read right here on DIZZIE DOT COM.. there are a couple of posters.. who are the poster boys for it...

You are good at searching.. perhaps YOU can find some examples of what YOU would consider to be homophobic...

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There should be a new word created to describe the rational fear of being labeled a bigot if you oppose any part of some liberal special interest group's cause.

Hell the right wing has LOTS of those already...they use them to demonize anyone who does not agree with themYou just have to listen to Lush Rimjob and Micheal the Thavage to get your daily fix of Bigotry Racism and Homophobia..

You're the one saying he is a homophobe, now you expect me to show you an example!

I'd like to know what you think homophobe means. I've already said that I think it should mean an irrational fear of them.

Please, also let us know if you think it is possible to hold the position that the subject of a students's sexuality doesn't belong in the classroom without being a homophobe?

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Like I said before. I do not hate GW... I find him disingenuous.. a coward.. even a religious hypocrite....GWB has hurt this country.. far more than Clinton EVER did..But it seems incompetence is highly prized by those of you on the right.

Clinton just thought it would be cool to be pres. and it was his sandbox. Now, he insists that he should have some kind of great legacy.

Kind of like someone who lives to 100, who has never done anything adventurous, insisting that they have led a great life.

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I'm just guessing, but I'd say more times than not, people are repulsed by things because they actually find them repulsive, rather than a suppression of desire.

What about pedophilia? Necrophilia? Zoophilia?

I'd say most people find all three repulsive. Is that repulsion a manifestion of repressed desire?

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You don't see many people actively campaigning against necrophilia, though.

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What does it mean if you pop a boner while watching Saw III?

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>I'm just guessing, but I'd say more times than not, people are
> repulsed by things because they actually find them repulsive, rather
> than a suppression of desire.

Definitely true. But the issue discussed above is not revulsion, it's sexual arousal. In other words, if you saw a depiction of gay sex, you can be repulsed and/or turned on by it. The two are not mutually exclusive.

The "repressed desire" thing comes in when someone has a physical reaction to something (say a depiction of gay sex) and is so disgusted by their arousal that they have an unusually strong reaction against the subject. This isn't always a conscious decision; sometimes such decisions happen below the level of awareness. If that's the case, it's a phobia - a strong dislike/fear of something that does not have a known logical base.

An example of this is vertigo. Some people get near to the edges of buildings and have a very basic fear that they will jump. (Call it a 'desire to jump.') Intellectually they are scared to death of this impulse and so they experience a disorienting conflict of drives. This often is expressed as acrophobia, an irrational fear of heights. Doesn't mean they really _would_ jump, doesn't mean they would never jump - it's just their reaction to the two conflicting impulses.

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The point I was trying to address is that there's a widely held belief that homophobia is just (key word there) about repressed desire. This term (and it's understanding) is used as a tool to intimidate people who openly speakout against gays or gay issues. I was just trying to show that we dislike many things because we find them repulsive or undesirable, not because we're suppressing our desires.

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The idea that anyone who is rabidly against, or for, a position would secretly harbor the other opinion is interesting if it is evenly applied. It never is.

I'd fully agree to that statement in the context in which you put it. That being said, the article quoted in the original post specified homophobic men...

The text does not necessarily apply to all those who rant and rave against homosexuals, but only to those who's behaviour is typical for someone with a phobia. That's the guys who fear to enter a room with an openly gay man present; or, if they don't have a choice, don't move away from the wall, and always stand facing the gay person.

Sounds somewhat silly, but I've actually worked in a company where the head of our department was openly gay, and the CEO of a daughter company acted in precisely the above manner...

Given the circumstances outlined above, I wholeheartedly buy into the article.

What he said. It seems entirely probable to me that homophobic people are likely repressing homosexual desires. It's equally clear to me that one need not be homophobic to be a close-minded, bigoted asshole. Thus, those loud mouths who seem keen on discriminating against people on the basis of sexual preference are not NECESSARILY closeted gays.

Blues,
Dave

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