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What possibly gave you that idea. Clinton was charged. Clinton was prosecuted. Clinton was acquitted. What more do you want?



To know what were the key factors to the deal he cut, with federal prosecutors, on his last day in office???



Why would he need a deal. He had already been persecuted and prosecuted. If there was additional evidence of a crime, I have no doubt Ashcroft would have pursued that evidence vigorously.
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Clinton was charged. Clinton was prosecuted. Clinton was acquitted. What more do you want? We have laws against double jeopardy in the US.



From the impeachment standpoint, yes he was. From the criminal standpoint, no he wasn't.

Think OJ Simpson, okay? OJ was found "not guilty" of the crime of murder. OJ was later found "liable" for the death of his ex-wife. Double Jeopardy? No.



So you think we should sue Clinton in civil court? :S

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I don't think that what you are syaing makes sense. Here's why - I have posited to you that impeachment and conviction removes a POTUS from the office of presidency. The process does not result in jail time or other such punishment that denies the POTUS of freedoms.

Under your theory, the worst a President could face is removal from office. Let's say a President accepts $2 million to veto legislation. This is an impeachable offense. This is also a federal crime. You are saying that the House has a choice - either impeach him and let him walk free or letting him remain as POTUS - from jail. Such a set-up would make zero sense - it isn't double jeopardy.



It's not my theory, it the Constitution. A sitting president is tried for a crime via impeachment. If you are not happy with that then your grief should be with the Constitution, and not Clinton. With Clinton, persecution aside, the system worked exactly as it was designed. He was charged, impeached and acquitted.

BTW The reason Ford had to pardon Nixon was because Nixon was not impeached; he did not face prosecution as Clinton did.
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If the Senate vote on his impeachment was the end of it, what was all the hubbub with the deal he cut on his last day in office?



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"I tried to walk a fine line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now recognize that I did not fully accomplish this goal and am certain my responses to questions about Ms. Lewinsky were false," Clinton said in a written statement released Friday by the White House.



http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/19/clinton.lewinsky/

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So, would you then agree that Clinton lied under oath



I would liek to see some evidence on where he lied under oath, other than related to his comment about "sexual relations". If he lied about anything under oath, then I agree with you completely. Though it has been said many times, technically he did not lie about the "sexual relations" part.



Oh boy this is fun....Here is the Clinton impeachment process. Look up January 17. He can not "recall" if he was ever alone with Lewinsky in the Oval office.

It was in the Paula Jones trial as you can see.:|
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He can not "recall" if he was ever alone with Lewinsky in the Oval office.



How would you ever prove if that was a lie at that point? I know it is semantics, but everything in law is. Hard to base a perjury case on that.

So far I am still waiting to see actual evidence he lied. We all know he played a semantics game, knowingly. But, where did he actually lie?

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Apparently you did not read the link. You need to look it up. http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/impeachments/clinton.htm

Even Gravitymaster quoted what Clinton declared to the media following the termination of the impeachment process, and you still have doubts?

Not worse blind than those who refuse to see....
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Oh boy this is fun....Here is the Clinton impeachment process. Look up January 17. He can not "recall" if he was ever alone with Lewinsky in the Oval office.



Given the close proximity of Secret Service agents, it does not seem unreasonable for him to not recall whether or not he and Monica were ever alone.
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Apparently you did not read the link. You need to look it up. http://www.historyplace.com/...achments/clinton.htm

Even Gravitymaster quoted what Clinton declared to the media following the termination of the impeachment process, and you still have doubts?



They are all semantics games. testifying falsly can be difefernt from lieing under oath. See, he may now recall that he was alone with her in the oval office. That would mean his testimony might have been false, yet he still did not lie. he may not have recalled at the time of teh question.

Yes, I know, semantics. But, still waiting to see where, in a perjury trial, you would get the evidence to prove he lied under oath?

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Yes, we all can see that he had always the SS present while.....never mind.:|



Do you really think they would have said anything had they been present? It is entirely plausible they were there.
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Yes, we all can see that he had always the SS present while.....never mind.

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Do you really think they would have said anything had they been present? It is entirely plausible they were there.



Hell I had an Ultra Right Wing NUTJOB here in the local area try to tell me that a friend of his who is friends of a SS agent was told that Hillary was having other women snuck into the White House at night by the Secret Service....:S:S

SOOO since this story has NEVER come out... I would take it the SS is VERY DISCREET:ph34r:

Actually Considering this source.. another Clinton HATER.... I dont even give it any form of credible possibility...that would just be TOO BIG of a story to cover up.. with as many Clinton Haters there are out there and here on DIZZIE DOT COM.:S:S:S:S:S

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Yes, we all can see that he had always the SS present while.....never mind.:|



Do you really think they would have said anything had they been present? It is entirely plausible they were there.



In all the movies and tv shows that had Oval Office scenes, how many times were Secret Service agents actually in the office? :S

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In all the movies and tv shows that had Oval Office scenes, how many times were Secret Service agents actually in the office? :S



We obviously get our information from different sources. I tend to not rely on movies and television shows (excepting the occasional news program) for my info.
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I can imagine the prez taking a dump with many SSS agents around him:D:D:D. Reminds me of Chapelle's show sketch of the "first" black using a white only bathroom...
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In all the movies and tv shows that had Oval Office scenes, how many times were Secret Service agents actually in the office? :S



We obviously get our information from different sources. I tend to not rely on movies and television shows (excepting the occasional news program) for my info.



Do you have any information on where SS agents are, while the POTUS is in the Oval Office? Are you merely trying to discount my point?

Regarding Amazon's latest vitriol - I heard Chelsea was conceived when Bill "raped" Hillary. Sounds like a healthy hetero relationship to me.

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>I heard Chelsea was conceived when Bill "raped" Hillary.

And I heard the Bush twins were conceived during a coke-and-booze bender Bush was on - which is why they can't get enough of the stuff now!

Now, what can we make up about Kerry? Maybe those Swift Boat guys have a few more ideas.

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>I heard Chelsea was conceived when Bill "raped" Hillary.

And I heard the Bush twins were conceived during a coke-and-booze bender Bush was on - which is why they can't get enough of the stuff now!

Now, what can we make up about Kerry? Maybe those Swift Boat guys have a few more ideas.



I heard Kerry was involved in massacring civilians in free-fire zones. I wonder if there's any truth to that?

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