SkyDekker 1,465 #26 October 30, 2006 QuoteHave you agreed to give up a Professional License when you did nothing wrong? Nope, but I would happily give up any Professional License for million dollar speaking engagements. ie. the Professionl License really was no benefit to him anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #27 October 30, 2006 QuoteQuoteNice post. Bummer it doesn't offer any specifics How could anybody provide specifics as to what Bill Clinton thought? I don't know, but it would be interesting to hear an explanation from someone involved, why a President of the United States of America would agree to such an unfavorable deal... not just a hypothetical "In my line of work, we sometimes blah, blah, blah" that has nothing to do with the actual situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #28 October 30, 2006 I am not in the lawyer business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,184 #29 October 30, 2006 QuoteWould someone please explain to me why Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850,000.00, paid fines of $90,000.00 & $25,000.00 and agreed to have his law license suspended for five years? Was it because he did nothing wrong? I'd guess it's much the same reason that most companies, faced with a liability lawsuit, settle out of court regardless of whether they have done anything wrong, simply to save the nuisance value and cost of fighting it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #30 October 30, 2006 Wow. Using this kind of non-specific thinking one could say Bush invaded Iraq because the thought it best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #31 October 30, 2006 QuoteHave you agreed to give up a Professional License when you did nothing wrong? I wouldn't. I might pay someone who didn't deserve the money to get rid of them and because of the damage it might do to the company's image, but I'd fight like hell before giving up a professional license if I was innocent. Do you really expect a former president to go back to practicing law? Is there really a cost associated with a temporary loss of his ability to practice? edit: Skydekker said it first.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #32 October 31, 2006 I've posted my response to you before on this topic.http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2419025#2419025 He was not convicted of perjury by the Senate. However, he did pay a $90k fine, lost his law license for obstruction of justice, and resigned from the Supreme Court Bar rather than face those penalties. "the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false.." - the Judg'e sfindings. He was found to have lied about it. Under Oath. He didn't go to jail for it. Am I wrong? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #33 October 31, 2006 QuoteI've posted my response to you before on this topic.http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2419025#2419025 He was not convicted of perjury by the Senate. However, he did pay a $90k fine, lost his law license for obstruction of justice, and resigned from the Supreme Court Bar rather than face those penalties. "the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false.." - the Judg'e sfindings. He was found to have lied about it. Under Oath. He didn't go to jail for it. Am I wrong?Did I mention Clinton got his dick sucked?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #34 October 31, 2006 QuoteMe thinks world affairs and the respect of the Oval Office are/were way more important So, which are more important? The affairs of state or the affairs of state? Come on. I am no Bush apologist - I never even voted for the guy. But we're talking about lying under oath and going to jail for it. What I am saying is that Bush's guy and Clinton did the exact same thing wrong - they both lied under oath and obstructed justice. Clinton didn't do time for it. IT seems everyone else IS doing time for it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #35 October 31, 2006 Quotethe president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false.." - the Judg'e sfindings I haven't looked up the "alone" part. But the then curren definition of sexual relations did specifically exclude oral sex. Hence, he did not lie when he said he did not have sexual relations with her. Technicality? Yes indeed, but I am sure you deal with those often councillor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #36 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteMe thinks world affairs and the respect of the Oval Office are/were way more importantWhat I am saying is that Bush's guy and Clinton did the exact same thing wrong - they both lied under oath and obstructed justice. Clinton didn't do time for it. IT seems everyone else IS doing time for it. Clinton was impeached and was acquitted. Are you saying the legal process is broken?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #37 October 31, 2006 QuoteAre you saying the legal process is broken? Fuckin' A, bubba!!! That's a topic for another thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #38 October 31, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteMe thinks world affairs and the respect of the Oval Office are/were way more importantWhat I am saying is that Bush's guy and Clinton did the exact same thing wrong - they both lied under oath and obstructed justice. Clinton didn't do time for it. IT seems everyone else IS doing time for it. Clinton was impeached and was acquitted. Are you saying the legal process is broken? Impeachment is the indictment used by a legislative body to remove a government official from office. It is not criminal in nature. Fro example, bigot Arizona ex-governor Evan Mecham was impeached and convicted and thereby removed from office. He then faced federal criminal charges, on whihc he was acquitted on all six felony counts. Remember how Nixon got pardoned by Ford? He resigned rather than get impeached and still had a federal rap hanging over him. Clinton, on the other hand, did not get the criminal charges against him. Like Bush's guy who just got sent to the can, the underlying conduct was not criminal. The obstruction of justice and perjury was. So, what's the difference? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #39 October 31, 2006 QuoteImpeachment is the indictment used by a legislative body to remove a government official from office. It is not criminal in nature. Fro example, bigot Arizona ex-governor Evan Mecham was impeached and convicted and thereby removed from office. He then faced federal criminal charges, on whihc he was acquitted on all six felony counts. Remember how Nixon got pardoned by Ford? He resigned rather than get impeached and still had a federal rap hanging over him. Clinton, on the other hand, did not get the criminal charges against him. Like Bush's guy who just got sent to the can, the underlying conduct was not criminal. The obstruction of justice and perjury was. So, what's the difference? Clinton was subjected to the justice system, as dictated by the US Constitution. He was impeached and acquitted. It is that simple.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 October 31, 2006 Personally I wonder if the World Court will indict Bush and Cheney.. Wolfowitz et al for crimes against humanity....let them prove their innocense for the deaths of so many of their fellow human beings. They might even finally be put under oath... but since they are accomplished liars....who know what will come out of their mouths. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #41 October 31, 2006 And what part of "Impeachment is the indictment used by a legislative body " don't you understand? A legislative action as lawrocket is trying vey eloquently to explain is not the same as a "justice process"."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #42 October 31, 2006 > And what part of "Impeachment is the indictment used by a >legislative body " don't you understand? And what part of "he was not found guilty of perjury by ANY body" don't you understand? (Ain't this fun? Could go on all day!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike111 0 #43 October 31, 2006 QuoteHope there's room in his cell for the rest of them Many officials are competent Tony, such as Condi Rice and Bush himself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #44 October 31, 2006 QuoteAnd what part of "Impeachment is the indictment used by a legislative body " don't you understand? A legislative action as lawrocket is trying vey eloquently to explain is not the same as a "justice process". And what you seem to not understand is that impeachment is the first step in the judicial process for a sitting President.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #45 October 31, 2006 You keep mentioning is a judicial process. Refer to this link so you can understand the impeachement process. http://www.abanet.org/publiced/impeach2.html Impeachements are different process from criminal and civil courts, refer to article 1 section 2 of the constitution. Clinton got off easy for the same offense this guy is now in jail for."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 October 31, 2006 QuoteClinton got off easy for the same offense this guy is now in jail for. Clinton was not convicted... this guy was... Clinton got a blow job.. This guy was part of the Abramoff culture of corruption that was and is butt fucking the american people..now its time for him to go play with bubba in jail... and there will be a lot more to follow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #47 October 31, 2006 As you can see, the offense this guy is in jail, is for perjury and obstruction of justice. I will repeat myself, very slowly now, Bubba got off easy for the same offenses."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #48 October 31, 2006 I guess in your mind we should do the South American thing and stand the fucker up against a wall with a firing squad... for gettiting a blow job... DUDE.. just hang in there you may get your wish yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #49 October 31, 2006 QuoteYou keep mentioning is a judicial process. Refer to this link so you can understand the impeachement process. http://www.abanet.org/publiced/impeach2.html Impeachements are different process from criminal and civil courts, refer to article 1 section 2 of the constitution. Clinton got off easy for the same offense this guy is now in jail for. Of course impeachments are different than criminal and civil courts. Just like state courts are different than federal courts or local courts. But they are all part of America's system of justice. Why is that so hard for you to understand?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #50 October 31, 2006 <> Hi Mike ... You having a fucking larf or what? - He's a C**T (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
