akarunway 1 #1 October 28, 2006 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article1935945.ece And if so, I wonder where they got them?I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2 October 28, 2006 You had doubts? Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 October 28, 2006 is your question a serious one? Israel has been a nuclear power since the 60s. That's the reason why the Yom Kippur War was the last attack by other nations in the early 70s. Though they have never officially announced this truth, it is believed that they could have up to 1000 warheads. They developed it with French assistance, and some American help, perhaps including 'missing' nuclear material. They later teamed up with South Africa who has uranium and once upon a time a desire to have weapons too. I don't find the summary of that article very believable, but I'm not willing to blow a british pound to read yet another unfounded attack on Israel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 October 28, 2006 Israel has never publicly acknowledged its nuclear capability, though it's widely accepted that they have at least a few hundred weapons. As for where they got it, don't blame the US first. It was France that sold them their first reactor (not complaining, just putting the flames out).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #5 October 28, 2006 have you never seen 'the sum of all fears'? if i am correct, the Fighter that crashed and dropped the warhead was a Isreal jet. -SPACE- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #6 October 28, 2006 QuoteI'm not willing to blow a british pound to read yet another unfounded attack on Israel. Check this out for free.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jasmin 0 #7 October 28, 2006 QuoteAs for where they got it, don't blame the US first. It was France that sold them their first reactor (not complaining, just putting the flames out). Umm what was the point you were trying to make? There are over 65 countries who have (or had) nuclear reactors, but there are only 8 declared weapons states (plus Israel). Having a reactor does not equal having weapons.xj "I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #8 October 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteAs for where they got it, don't blame the US first. It was France that sold them their first reactor (not complaining, just putting the flames out). Umm what was the point you were trying to make? Read my reply in the context of the original post. The "I wonder where they got them from" comment can be construed as innuendo that the US proliferates nuclear weapons to selected "friends". The reality is quite different.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 October 28, 2006 Quotehave you never seen 'the sum of all fears'? if i am correct, the Fighter that crashed and dropped the warhead was a Isreal jet. you know that's a fictional book/movie, right? Though plausible (we've lost nukes off B-52s), it's not proof. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 October 28, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm not willing to blow a british pound to read yet another unfounded attack on Israel. Check this out for free. You're directing me to a website titled: "What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine." Forgive me for not taking that very seriously either. couldn't see a reference to nukes either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #11 October 28, 2006 QuoteForgive me for not taking that very seriously either. Such a shame. I think pert of the problems in the US are due to people using their personal preconceptions to determine the validity of a source instead of judging the source on the merits of its methodology.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #12 October 29, 2006 Quoteis your question a serious one? Israel has been a nuclear power since the 60s. That's the reason why the Yom Kippur War was the last attack by other nations in the early 70s. Though they have never officially announced this truth, it is believed that they could have up to 1000 warheads. They developed it with French assistance, and some American help, perhaps including 'missing' nuclear material. They later teamed up with South Africa who has uranium and once upon a time a desire to have weapons too. I don't find the summary of that article very believable, but I'm not willing to blow a british pound to read yet another unfounded attack on Israel. South Africa had six Nukes but dismantled them during the late 1980s.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #13 October 29, 2006 Quoteis your question a serious one? Israel has been a nuclear power since the 60s. That's the reason why the Yom Kippur War was the last attack by other nations in the early 70s. Though they have never officially announced this truth, it is believed that they could have up to 1000 warheads. They developed it with French assistance, and some American help, perhaps including 'missing' nuclear material. They later teamed up with South Africa who has uranium and once upon a time a desire to have weapons too. I don't find the summary of that article very believable, but I'm not willing to blow a british pound to read yet another unfounded attack on Israel.SARCASM. Jeesh. EVERYBODY knows they have nukes out the ass. JeeshI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
udder 0 #14 October 29, 2006 Being South African, it is widely acknowldged that South Africa used to be a nuclear power, but relinquished/dismantled it's weapons before the handover of government in 1994. We had them as far back as the mid-seventies, when preparations were made for a test(1975) that was subsequently cancelled due to international pressure. Only to be carried out a few years later at sea. Though that may have been an Israeli/South african collaboration. No side will admit responsibility. (1979) Edit to add : They were dismantled in 1990 and we had 6 operational, one testing type, and another near completion(another testing type) at the time the program was shut down. And we did it with very little resources. With less than 100 people actively working on the project at any one time. Bok Befok."In one way or the other, I'm a bad brother. Word to the motherf**ker." Eazy-E Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 October 29, 2006 QuoteQuoteForgive me for not taking that very seriously either. Such a shame. I think pert of the problems in the US are due to people using their personal preconceptions to determine the validity of a source instead of judging the source on the merits of its methodology. Too many times the opponents of Israel have been caught making up shit. The original article, btw, now shows up in full. And it's pretty uncompelling stuff. Fissionable uranium is a fairly rare substance and I don't see the practicality in replacing depleted uranium with it. The evidence is lacking, the possible motivations by the Israelis nonexistent. It's a perfect piece of shit to throw out in public, virtually impossible to disprove. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 October 29, 2006 Quote SARCASM. Jeesh. EVERYBODY knows they have nukes out the ass. Jeesh People say a lot of stupid things in Speaker's Corner. In many cases they actually believe them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #17 October 29, 2006 Was that you that Jonny was 'teaching' in the DVD? Classic!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 October 29, 2006 QuoteDr Busby's initial report states that there are two possible reasons for the contamination. "The first is that the weapon was some novel small experimental nuclear fission device or other experimental weapon (eg, a thermobaric weapon) based on the high temperature of a uranium oxidation flash ... The second is that the weapon was a bunker-busting conventional uranium penetrator weapon employing enriched uranium rather than depleted uranium." A photograph of the explosion of the first bomb shows large clouds of black smoke that might result from burning uranium. Its interesting but I suspect that either Mr Fisk has selectivly pulled from the report or Dr Busby has not published all his findings. For Uranium 235 to be classed as HEU it must have a enrichment of at least 20% below this it is not possible to produce a fission reaction. For it to be weapons grade (Enriched enough to produce a long chain reaction) it must be 90% HEU or above. It would have been easy enough from a sample to know the level of enrichment and therefore the use of the HEU in the weapon.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
