jcd11235 0 #26 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteBut the Ohio and Florida votes are still brought up to this day! Investigations done and nothing found of any significance. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen Nothing? I took a quick look at the allegations within your link. Nothing new. For instance, the 98% turnout in some areas is easily assumed to be evidence of fraud because that kind of turnout never happens. However, the facts are a little different. As I remember it, there were many provisional ballots from people not realizing their precinct location changed, or there were overseas ballots (or something like that), that cannot be assigned to a particular area, but they need to be placed somewhere, so they did. The allegation was not that 98% of the people registered for a precinct voted, but simply that the number of votes cast was 98% of the number of registered voters. I'm basing this on my lousy memory, but each of the points I saw in your link fit a similar pattern - just stating the original allegation without any follow up info, which is really negligent journalism. The charge that so many were 'purged' from the voter rolls is an example of such bullshit, as the 'purging' was required by the state law. To say that the purging was done improperly is a different allegation, but not the allegation made in the Rolling Stone article. It seemed pretty well sourced to me. Of course I took more than a "quick look." Feel free to post evidence of any false or misleading statements the article may have made. If you can discredit every point the article makes, then you might even be justified in your unsubstantiated claim that "investigations [were] done and nothing [was] found of any significance."Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #27 October 27, 2006 QuoteAs to the last pharagraph, who are the one filing the law suits that have not yet gone anywhere significant and who is setting it up now?? Is the Supreme Court of the United States not significant?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #28 October 27, 2006 QuoteIt seemed pretty well sourced to me. Of course I took more than a "quick look." Being well sourced (having authoritative, complicated, lengthy footnotes) is completely meaningless. QuoteFeel free to post evidence of any false or misleading statements the article may have made. If you can discredit every point the article makes, then you might even be justified in your unsubstantiated claim that "investigations [were] done and nothing [was] found of any significance." You sure have a high standard for internet arguing. Maybe I'll bother to look up a couple links later. I didn't claim that "investigations were done and nothing was found of any significance", but when I already have knowledge that a couple big claims in the Rolling Stone article are obviously intentional misrepresentations, then I will not bother with examining the rest. I would not expect that all the allegations could be proven false. It is hard to prove the absence of voter fraud when the voting machine are, in fact, vulnerable. Too bad that so many thought the solution to punch card voting system problems was to spend a lot of money on a crap product. At least punch cards can't be hacked, and the possesion/transport of them can be monitored by all. The best way to stop voting fraud is to prevent it. Some proposals have been made in that regard. Why do you think the Dems resist them, while Repubs are advocates?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #29 October 27, 2006 QuoteI didn't claim that "investigations were done and nothing was found of any significance" I stand corrected. I confused your post with one written by Rushmc, who made that claim. I apologize. Quotewhen I already have knowledge that a couple big claims in the Rolling Stone article are obviously intentional misrepresentations While I am not saying this is untrue (I don't know one way or the other, but would like to.), I would like to see some sort of reputable or well cited source supporting this assertion.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #30 October 27, 2006 QuoteWhile I am not saying this is untrue (I don't know one way or the other, but would like to.), I would like to see some sort of reputable or well cited source supporting this assertion. Sorry, I'm not into research tonight, just arguing! Seriously, I live in Ohio, so there was a lot of news coverage of the allegations and investigations. Ohio was also the stage for many allegations in 2000, expecially the claim that minorities were being stopped by police. It doesn't matter that bipartisan investigations showed them to be without merit, they will get repeated by activists. Politicians are les likely to repeat the old, unproven charges than the Jesse Jackson's of the world. Rolling Stone has done some great reporting, but not this time.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #31 October 27, 2006 Bring Back the Harold Ford Ad. Now that is just plan funny, I don't care who you are, just plan funny. Not to mention TRUE. The Forehead and Russert crying foul was classic....its going to be an interesting election. Now if I can just figure out who is running for Congress in my district other than Nick Lampson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #32 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhile I am not saying this is untrue (I don't know one way or the other, but would like to.), I would like to see some sort of reputable or well cited source supporting this assertion. Sorry, I'm not into research tonight, just arguing! Seriously, I live in Ohio, so there was a lot of news coverage of the allegations and investigations. Ohio was also the stage for many allegations in 2000, expecially the claim that minorities were being stopped by police. It doesn't matter that bipartisan investigations showed them to be without merit, they will get repeated by activists. Politicians are les likely to repeat the old, unproven charges than the Jesse Jackson's of the world. Rolling Stone has done some great reporting, but not this time. The really funny thing is that I've lived in Florida since a couple days after the 2000 election. There was a lot of voting irregularities in the local news that never made it to the national media. I'm sure it was the same in Ohio in 2004. To be honest, I'm not sure which one would be worse, to find out about vote count fraud, or find out that the media is that far from the truth. I believe most all outlets have their biases in one direction or another, and few can be accepted as a standalone source for much information. I think our voting system is in serious need of overhaul. The Founding Fathers did not envision real time international communications when they came up with the idea of the electoral college. Our nation suffers from an entrenched two party system, and our current systems enables that entrenchment. I'm not sure the Democrats want to fight the alleged fraud too much, because if the system got fixed, they'd get kicked out of power as well. I don't know that that would be such a bad thing.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #33 October 27, 2006 Sorry, I'm not into research tonight, just arguing! lol....but you haven't argued against anyone's analogy yet tonight. Surely you're not gonna hang it up before you say, "Lousy analogy," or "crappy analogy." Where's your spunk? linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #34 October 27, 2006 QuoteSorry, I'm not into research tonight, just arguing! lol....but you haven't argued against anyone's analogy yet tonight. Surely you're not gonna hang it up before you say, "Lousy analogy," or "crappy analogy." Where's your spunk? linz You missed it! http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2499641#2499641 It was a crappy analogy... People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #35 October 27, 2006 Ummm....that was 3:20pm by my clock. That was this afternoon. Not tonight. Shouldn't be so hung up on time, though, I was just thinking as I notice that my legs really do look 40 years old. It's prob'ly time to go ahead and die....arghhhh. Is there a good analogy for that???? linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #36 October 27, 2006 That is a subject for the bonfire. Crappy analogies are much more likely to go without objection there. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #37 October 27, 2006 QuoteThat is a subject for the bonfire. Crappy analogies are much more likely to go without objection there. yeah....you're prob'ly right. Off to the garbage heap for me....lol. I don't think I can take it though. Wonder what limbo's like. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #38 October 27, 2006 QuoteWonder what limbo's like. Maybe it is like freefall Maybe you meant purgatory instead of limbo?People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #39 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteWonder what limbo's like. Maybe it is like freefall Maybe you meant purgatory instead of limbo? No. I meant limbo. Purgatory's far to demeaning to contain me. Freefall's not a bad choice however....-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 October 27, 2006 Quote It seemed pretty well sourced to me. Of course I took more than a "quick look." Feel free to post evidence of any false or misleading statements the article may have made. If you can discredit every point the article makes, then you might even be justified in your unsubstantiated claim that "investigations [were] done and nothing [was] found of any significance." Feel free to post the exact number of votes that were tainted. If you can prove that every vote purported to be tainted, actually WAS tainted, then you might even be justified in your claim that the Rolling Stones story was accurate...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #41 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuote It seemed pretty well sourced to me. Of course I took more than a "quick look." Feel free to post evidence of any false or misleading statements the article may have made. If you can discredit every point the article makes, then you might even be justified in your unsubstantiated claim that "investigations [were] done and nothing [was] found of any significance." Feel free to post the exact number of votes that were tainted. If you can prove that every vote purported to be tainted, actually WAS tainted, then you might even be justified in your claim that the Rolling Stones story was accurate... - Prove OJ didn;t kill anyone. Oh that's right, the jury found the evidence to be insufficient, he didn't do it. - Prove Ollie North and friends didn't trade guns for hostages. Oh, he just couldn;t recall, they must not have done it, even tho Reagan admitted it happened. SOme things don't need proving to realize they happened to some degree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote It seemed pretty well sourced to me. Of course I took more than a "quick look." Feel free to post evidence of any false or misleading statements the article may have made. If you can discredit every point the article makes, then you might even be justified in your unsubstantiated claim that "investigations [were] done and nothing [was] found of any significance." Feel free to post the exact number of votes that were tainted. If you can prove that every vote purported to be tainted, actually WAS tainted, then you might even be justified in your claim that the Rolling Stones story was accurate... - Prove OJ didn;t kill anyone. Oh that's right, the jury found the evidence to be insufficient, he didn't do it. - Prove Ollie North and friends didn't trade guns for hostages. Oh, he just couldn;t recall, they must not have done it, even tho Reagan admitted it happened. SOme things don't need proving to realize they happened to some degree. Couldn't read the tags in my response to the quote, huh? Poor baby... need a tissue? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #43 October 27, 2006 Quote And by the way, you misquote Hannity too HANNITY: Now, one other thing here. You know what? I think some of you need to stay home on Election Day. What? That's right. I think -- I know it sounds terrible. I don't want everybody to vote; I want well-informed people to vote. You know what we're gonna do on our man-on-the-street segment tomorrow, man-on-the-street Thursday? I'm gonna have three pictures -- Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Hastert, and Harry Reid -- and I'm gonna ask people if they know who they are. And you know what I bet? I bet you nobody knows. But I think -- look, I think for some, I think you've gotta accept -- and I want you to stay home on Election Day because you must accept the fact that your party has abandoned you. You've gotta accept the fact that your vote doesn't matter anyway. So all you Democrats, stay home. So, you know, why don't you stay home on Election Day? This is how the press is going to report this: "Hannity says Democrats should stay home on Election Day." After all, your vote won't change who occupies the White House. Your candidates have absolutely no ideas how to win the war on terrorism. The only ideas that they espouse are ways to undermine the troops in harm's way and undermine their commander in chief while they're at war. Your candidates have no idea how to keep this economy strong. [...] They have no ideas except more tax-and-spend policies and rescinding the tax cuts that every American family has benefited from. They have no idea how to protect the border -- only solution they have there is to give us amnesty. They support open borders. In other words, the Democrats, if you listen to them beyond [former Rep.] Mark Foley [R-FL], beyond amnesty, beyond tax raising, beyond bashing Bush, they have literally not a single solitary policy or idea that's going to benefit this country, keep you safe, and make the country stronger. I don't think abandoning our troops on the battlefield or closing your eyes to enemy communications or listening to enemy communications in our country, or killing the economy, or supporting illegal immigration, I don't think that's something to run on. So I'm saying, for the sake of the nation, I think you Democrats should stay home. For you there's no reason to vote. But you Republicans out there, the ones -- there's enough people in this audience to make a real, significant difference in really key important states. Basically he lays out a bunch of bullshit assertions and tries to spread it over a straw man Democratic party and then tells them to stay home. But that's what he thinks Democrats stand for so he is actually telling Democrats to stay home. I've been listening to his fearful rants for months now about how the country is going down the shitter if the R's lose power. And somehow he thinks that by spreading disinformation that he's cultivating "educated listeners". Indoctrinated is more like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuote And by the way, you misquote Hannity too HANNITY: Now, one other thing here. You know what? I think some of you need to stay home on Election Day. What? That's right. I think -- I know it sounds terrible. I don't want everybody to vote; I want well-informed people to vote. You know what we're gonna do on our man-on-the-street segment tomorrow, man-on-the-street Thursday? I'm gonna have three pictures -- Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Hastert, and Harry Reid -- and I'm gonna ask people if they know who they are. And you know what I bet? I bet you nobody knows. But I think -- look, I think for some, I think you've gotta accept -- and I want you to stay home on Election Day because you must accept the fact that your party has abandoned you. You've gotta accept the fact that your vote doesn't matter anyway. So all you Democrats, stay home. So, you know, why don't you stay home on Election Day? This is how the press is going to report this: "Hannity says Democrats should stay home on Election Day." After all, your vote won't change who occupies the White House. Your candidates have absolutely no ideas how to win the war on terrorism. The only ideas that they espouse are ways to undermine the troops in harm's way and undermine their commander in chief while they're at war. Your candidates have no idea how to keep this economy strong. [...] They have no ideas except more tax-and-spend policies and rescinding the tax cuts that every American family has benefited from. They have no idea how to protect the border -- only solution they have there is to give us amnesty. They support open borders. In other words, the Democrats, if you listen to them beyond [former Rep.] Mark Foley [R-FL], beyond amnesty, beyond tax raising, beyond bashing Bush, they have literally not a single solitary policy or idea that's going to benefit this country, keep you safe, and make the country stronger. I don't think abandoning our troops on the battlefield or closing your eyes to enemy communications or listening to enemy communications in our country, or killing the economy, or supporting illegal immigration, I don't think that's something to run on. So I'm saying, for the sake of the nation, I think you Democrats should stay home. For you there's no reason to vote. But you Republicans out there, the ones -- there's enough people in this audience to make a real, significant difference in really key important states. Basically he lays out a bunch of bullshit assertions and tries to spread it over a straw man Democratic party and then tells them to stay home. But that's what he thinks Democrats stand for so he is actually telling Democrats to stay home. I've been listening to his fearful rants for months now about how the country is going down the shitter if the R's lose power. And somehow he thinks that by spreading disinformation that he's cultivating "educated listeners". Indoctrinated is more like it. I know what he said. I know exactly what he said. Your quotes (the parts you posted anyway) are entirely correct. The assurtions and context you put them in however are bullshit. Pure bullshit. I know that doesn't matter to you. I know you don't listen. I do and the context and his meaning have been totally hijacked by you for your own agenda. Sad but so be it..........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #45 October 27, 2006 Quote I know what he said. I know exactly what he said. Your quotes (the parts you posted anyway) are entirely correct. The assurtions and context you put them in however are bullshit. Pure bullshit. I know that doesn't matter to you. I know you don't listen. I do and the context and his meaning have been totally hijacked by you for your own agenda. Sad but so be it........... I've been hearing a lot about this "out of context" stuff but I don't hear much pointing to what the "in context" version is. Rush is "out of context" all the time, Bush is "out of context" on the "stay the course", Hannity is "out of context" on most of the stupid crap that he says. Is there some secret decoder ring that they give out? I do listen so that I know what sort of talking point crap I'm going to be bombarded with and so that I can marvel at the amount of disinformation that they can dish out between their 10 min commercial breaks. There's a kool aid crowd out there but it's not who you think it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #46 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote I know what he said. I know exactly what he said. Your quotes (the parts you posted anyway) are entirely correct. The assurtions and context you put them in however are bullshit. Pure bullshit. I know that doesn't matter to you. I know you don't listen. I do and the context and his meaning have been totally hijacked by you for your own agenda. Sad but so be it........... Here's something that is in context. Here's something else.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #47 October 27, 2006 Quote Is there some secret decoder ring that they give out? Why yes... yes they do... but you have to go to church on Sunday morning and get all pious before they will let you have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #48 October 27, 2006 Nothing wrong with deficit spending as long as it's an investment that produces a return. I seriously doubt even you would disagree that deficit spending on a home or education is good fiscal policy. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites idrankwhat 0 #49 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuote Is there some secret decoder ring that they give out? Why yes... yes they do... but you have to go to church on Sunday morning and get all pious before they will let you have one. Gotta get it somewhere else. My dad's a member of the Clergy and he didn't get one. He still thinks for himself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #50 October 27, 2006 QuoteGotta get it somewhere else. My dad's a member of the Clergy and he didn't get one. He still thinks for himself. Is that one of the old religious denominations??? Only the Evangelicals get them.. or didnt you get that memo... and if you are really special you get it directly from GOD on when to go start wars of convienience so you can protect GOD's OIL from the evil doers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 2 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Amazon 7 #47 October 27, 2006 Quote Is there some secret decoder ring that they give out? Why yes... yes they do... but you have to go to church on Sunday morning and get all pious before they will let you have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #48 October 27, 2006 Nothing wrong with deficit spending as long as it's an investment that produces a return. I seriously doubt even you would disagree that deficit spending on a home or education is good fiscal policy. - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #49 October 27, 2006 QuoteQuote Is there some secret decoder ring that they give out? Why yes... yes they do... but you have to go to church on Sunday morning and get all pious before they will let you have one. Gotta get it somewhere else. My dad's a member of the Clergy and he didn't get one. He still thinks for himself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 October 27, 2006 QuoteGotta get it somewhere else. My dad's a member of the Clergy and he didn't get one. He still thinks for himself. Is that one of the old religious denominations??? Only the Evangelicals get them.. or didnt you get that memo... and if you are really special you get it directly from GOD on when to go start wars of convienience so you can protect GOD's OIL from the evil doers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
