The Desperation Begins??

[rushmc 23]

Polls are showing Repubs gaining is some states (for house and senate races) where the Dems were once considered locks. (this is background only and i do not claim it is correct)

One example of this is a race in Florida. My over all point however is not about the polls or the considered "locks".

What I do find interesting however is that in one of these races a paper (again in Florida) is already making claims of voting "iregularities".

We may find out by Feb 07 (if we are lucky) who wins. It might take that long for the courts to sort it all out.

In any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[akarunway 1]

GOP gotta go down LOL. 1.6 billion in negative ad campaigns? LOLTalk about DESPERATION

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[rushmc 23]

Warning warning Will Robinson!!! Thread hijack in progress!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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In any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

And they'll probably have pleny of examples of how it was done, such as those listed in the Conyers report of the 2004 Ohio election. Or, quite possibly, there will be no record at all. If you want a tutorial on how to do it, watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0cxSJwG9Q0

[rushmc 23]

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In any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

And they'll probably have pleny of examples of how it was done, such as those listed in the Conyers report of the 2004 Ohio election. Or, quite possibly, there will be no record at all. If you want a tutorial on how to do it, watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0cxSJwG9Q0

Thanks for proving my point!!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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In any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

And they'll probably have pleny of examples of how it was done, such as those listed in the Conyers report of the 2004 Ohio election. Or, quite possibly, there will be no record at all. If you want a tutorial on how to do it, watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0cxSJwG9Q0

Thanks for proving my point!!!!!

No, thank you! You just proved that your opinions are fixed and that you're not interested in hearing anything that migh contradict it. You replied within two minutes of me sending you a nine minute video

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What I do find interesting however is that in one of these races a paper (again in Florida) is already making claims of voting "iregularities".

How can there be any voting irregularities if we haven't even had an election yet? Good grief, cry wolf after the election if you gotta whine about something...

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Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,148]

The only desperation I've seen is Bush's departure from "stay the course", and the decision that both the Foley investigation report and the Baker report on Iraq will be kept secret until after the election..

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The only desperation I've seen is Bush's departure from "stay the course", and the decision that both the Foley investigation report and the Baker report on Iraq will be kept secret until after the election..

Really? That's the only desperation you've seen?

What about this thread?

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[rushmc 23]

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In any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

And they'll probably have pleny of examples of how it was done, such as those listed in the Conyers report of the 2004 Ohio election. Or, quite possibly, there will be no record at all. If you want a tutorial on how to do it, watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0cxSJwG9Q0

Thanks for proving my point!!!!!

No, thank you! You just proved that your opinions are fixed and that you're not interested in hearing anything that migh contradict it. You replied within two minutes of me sending you a nine minute video

I didn't have to see your video. I listened to Rush's actual show and I have seen Fox's add.
Anything else?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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What I do find interesting however is that in one of these races a paper (again in Florida) is already making claims of voting "iregularities".

How can there be any voting irregularities if we haven't even had an election yet? Good grief, cry wolf after the election if you gotta whine about something...

If, and I do mean if, the Dems get neither the house or senate they will have to have a reason other than the people will not vote for them. We all know they think they know what is best for everyone so if they loose it has to be a Republican plot

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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The only desperation I've seen is Bush's departure from "stay the course", and the decision that both the Foley investigation report and the Baker report on Iraq will be kept secret until after the election..

Missed the point........or you didn't

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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The only desperation I've seen is Bush's departure from "stay the course", and the decision that both the Foley investigation report and the Baker report on Iraq will be kept secret until after the election..

Really? That's the only desperation you've seen?

What about this thread?

How do you figure. I am only making a comment to the claims of voter fraud before the voting even begins??? And they not talking about absentee ballots....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[idrankwhat 0]

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I didn't have to see your video. I listened to Rush's actual show and I have seen Fox's add.
Anything else?

What ad? Yes, I could not give a shit about Rush's show. He has illustrated that he has one goal and that's to fight, with any and all tools possible, the "Libs", whoever they are. The line he draws is kinda hard to delineate with any reason.
But what saddens me is that you're only interested if voter fraud affects the election and your candidate loses. On the other hand, I would be pissed off if voter fraud affected the election.......period. If my candidate loses because the majority of the country actually elected the other person then I can live with that. I can disagree and voice my opinion but I can accept it. Now if my candidate wins or loses because someone hacked a machine then that's just plain wrong. It taints the win and makes for an infuriating loss. I guess that makes me a "Lib". I want a fair count. Is that too much to ask from the most powerful and supposedly free country in the world in 2006? Or is winning by any means possible the example that we're trying to set?

[rushmc 23]

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I didn't have to see your video. I listened to Rush's actual show and I have seen Fox's add.
Anything else?

What ad? Yes, I could not give a shit about Rush's show. He has illustrated that he has one goal and that's to fight, with any and all tools possible, the "Libs", whoever they are. The line he draws is kinda hard to delineate with any reason.
But what saddens me is that you're only interested if voter fraud affects the election and your candidate loses. On the other hand, I would be pissed off if voter fraud affected the election.......period. If my candidate loses because the majority of the country actually elected the other person then I can live with that. I can disagree and voice my opinion but I can accept it. Now if my candidate wins or loses because someone hacked a machine then that's just plain wrong. It taints the win and makes for an infuriating loss. I guess that makes me a "Lib". I want a fair count. Is that too much to ask from the most powerful and supposedly free country in the world in 2006? Or is winning by any means possible the example that we're trying to set?

Fair count? I totally agree. But the Ohio and Florida votes are still brought up to this day! Investigations done and nothing found of any significance. The worst ones notes were in favor of Dems. Now another election is coming. The Dems and medial are doing thier damdest to make Repubs feel as if they have already lost and they should stay home. The "forecasts" have been made and the "push" polls have been cited over and over again. but...................................what if the Repubs keep the house and senate hmmmm? What will they do and say then hmmm?

Well, they are already laying the ground work for that I believe.

As for you putting words in my mouth about, well, let me use your own words "But what saddens me is that you're only interested if voter fraud affects the election and your candidate loses....."

You don't know anything about what I think on this subject except for what I posted above in this window. Or are you some great mind reader??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Lucky... 0]

The Repubs have boned the country so bad that I don't see a need to be desperate for the dems. Look at all the polls, most of the polls tend to show a great lean toward the dems. It's over, your run is over. Now, time will tell how long the pendulum swings.

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But the Ohio and Florida votes are still brought up to this day! Investigations done and nothing found of any significance.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Nothing?

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In any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

And they'll probably have pleny of examples of how it was done, such as those listed in the Conyers report of the 2004 Ohio election. Or, quite possibly, there will be no record at all. If you want a tutorial on how to do it, watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O0cxSJwG9Q0

Cue the Dem "smokes for votes" and "illegal busing of voters" clips, please...

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n any event, the Dems will keep the "election was stolen" gripe firmly in thier court

When Cynthia McKinney lost in the primary to her democratic opponent she immediatly began to scream voter fraud. Go figure.

[kallend 2,148]

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What I do find interesting however is that in one of these races a paper (again in Florida) is already making claims of voting "iregularities".

How can there be any voting irregularities if we haven't even had an election yet? Good grief, cry wolf after the election if you gotta whine about something...

Th experience of Florida in 2000 shows that waiting until after the election achieves nothing.

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What I do find interesting however is that in one of these races a paper (again in Florida) is already making claims of voting "iregularities".

How can there be any voting irregularities if we haven't even had an election yet? Good grief, cry wolf after the election if you gotta whine about something...

Actually the polls in FL have been opened for around a week. They allow early voting there.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

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Fair count? I totally agree. But the Ohio and Florida votes are still brought up to this day!

With good reason. Read the Conyers report on Ohio and there's plenty written about how the optical scanners are vulnerable and played a role in some very very skewed election results in Fla. There were numerous occasions, 29 counties I think, where registered voters were heavily Democratic (like 80-90%) yet the vote overwhelmingly went for Bush. Those same counties that went for Bush also overwhelmingly voted FOR Democratic initiatives such as raising the minumwage by $1. Could that mean that the voters just wanted Bush instead of Kerry? Possibly, however in those counties which did not have the Diebold optical scanners, there was no such discrepancy. The votes followed the registered party affiliation. This is but one example that I have time for today

Investigations done and nothing found of any significance.
The worst ones notes were in favor of Dems.
Inaccurate on both counts

Now another election is coming. The Dems and medial are doing thier damdest to make Repubs feel as if they have already lost and they should stay home.

Apparently accuracy in reporting is somehow an attack on the R's? And who is it that said "Democrats should stay home on election day for the sake of the country"? Yea, it was Hannity. And who was it that was sending thousands of latino voters in CA letters saying that they might be deported if they vote? That name is followed by an (R)

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But the Ohio and Florida votes are still brought up to this day! Investigations done and nothing found of any significance.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Nothing?

I took a quick look at the allegations within your link.

Nothing new.

For instance, the 98% turnout in some areas is easily assumed to be evidence of fraud because that kind of turnout never happens. However, the facts are a little different. As I remember it, there were many provisional ballots from people not realizing their precinct location changed, or there were overseas ballots (or something like that), that cannot be assigned to a particular area, but they need to be placed somewhere, so they did. The allegation was not that 98% of the people registered for a precinct voted, but simply that the number of votes cast was 98% of the number of registered voters.

I'm basing this on my lousy memory, but each of the points I saw in your link fit a similar pattern - just stating the original allegation without any follow up info, which is really negligent journalism. The charge that so many were 'purged' from the voter rolls is an example of such bullshit, as the 'purging' was required by the state law. To say that the purging was done improperly is a different allegation, but not the allegation made in the Rolling Stone article.

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[sundevil777 102]

Conservatives have proposed measures to make voting fraud much harder.

I think liberals have opposed these efforts. Why? Some would tell you it is based on privacy/constitutional rights issues. I think not. The US Supreme Court has even allowed the ID requirments of Arizona to stand for this election, with a formal decision (it might still find the requirment unconstitutional) to come later.

What proposals have liberals put forward to prevent fraud? Perhaps they have been active in this regard, but I don't think so. Why?

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[rushmc 23]

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Fair count? I totally agree. But the Ohio and Florida votes are still brought up to this day!

With good reason. Read the Conyers report on Ohio and there's plenty written about how the optical scanners are vulnerable and played a role in some very very skewed election results in Fla. There were numerous occasions, 29 counties I think, where registered voters were heavily Democratic (like 80-90%) yet the vote overwhelmingly went for Bush. Those same counties that went for Bush also overwhelmingly voted FOR Democratic initiatives such as raising the minumwage by $1. Could that mean that the voters just wanted Bush instead of Kerry? Possibly, however in those counties which did not have the Diebold optical scanners, there was no such discrepancy. The votes followed the registered party affiliation. This is but one example that I have time for today

Investigations done and nothing found of any significance.
The worst ones notes were in favor of Dems.
Inaccurate on both counts

Now another election is coming. The Dems and medial are doing thier damdest to make Repubs feel as if they have already lost and they should stay home.

Apparently accuracy in reporting is somehow an attack on the R's? And who is it that said "Democrats should stay home on election day for the sake of the country"? Yea, it was Hannity. And who was it that was sending thousands of latino voters in CA letters saying that they might be deported if they vote? That name is followed by an (R)

As to the last pharagraph, who are the one filing the law suits that have not yet gone anywhere significant and who is setting it up now??

And by the way, you misquote Hannity too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln