Guest #1 October 25, 2006 Interesting and worrisome story. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #2 October 25, 2006 QuoteCounterfeit Cisco Routers Showing Up in the Enterprise It's OK, Kirk will get Spock or Scotty to fix the problem.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #3 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteCounterfeit Cisco Routers Showing Up in the Enterprise It's OK, Kirk will get Spock or Scotty to fix the problem. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #4 October 25, 2006 I've heard about this for quite some time, but I had read was that: - The products are EXACTLY the same as "genuine" Cisco, because they are produced by Cisco's PacRim suppliers in the same factories using the same components. - The only way they can be distinguished from "genuine" Cisco is when you try to register the device for a Cisco service contract and Cisco tells you that serial number is already registered on someone else's contract. (i.e. the serial numbers are cloned from regular Cisco production devices). I have seen quite a few eBay sellers advertising large quantities of new equipment out of places such as Singapore that make me wonder."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #5 October 25, 2006 Quote- The products are EXACTLY the same as "genuine" Cisco, because they are produced by Cisco's PacRim suppliers in the same factories using the same components. Even the OS? I would look at that as a way for someone to have one hell of a trojan in the OS. Talk about a giant back door and completely screwing you as the SA.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #6 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuote- The products are EXACTLY the same as "genuine" Cisco, because they are produced by Cisco's PacRim suppliers in the same factories using the same components. Even the OS? I would look at that as a way for someone to have one hell of a trojan in the OS. Talk about a giant back door and completely screwing you as the SA. Yes, even the OS. Remember these products are being produced by the SAME FACTORIES that produce the "genuine" products, so they have everything they need to produce identical copies. And it costs nothing to copy software. The chips are the same because it is cheaper to just buy more of the genuine chips, than to design new similar chips and set up the fab plants for them. Also just learned recently that North Face has been having almost the same problem. The copies are being produced by their suppliers with one difference: The copies are using cheaper fabrics, so in the North Face case, it is possible to tell the difference by inspection, (if you have a copy of the genuine article on hand). There are warnings about this on eBay."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #7 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteCounterfeit Cisco Routers Showing Up in the Enterprise It's OK, Kirk will get Spock or Scotty to fix the problem. You just reminded me of a line from "Armageddon": Lev Andropov: Excuse me, but I think I know how to fix this. Watts: Move it! You don't know the components! Lev Andropov: [annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #8 October 25, 2006 The other way to spin this is that it's the outcome of Cisco's attempts at monopolizing the aftermarket. Healthy aftermarkets exist for lots of products, and the main reason IMO they get screwed up is when the OEM gets delusions of the kinds of controls they can exert. The result is typically counterproductive for suppliers or consumers, or both. Middlemen, on the other hand thrive on the inefficiencies created.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #9 October 25, 2006 QuoteAlso just learned recently that North Face has been having almost the same problem. The copies are being produced by their suppliers with one difference: The copies are using cheaper fabrics Seen it. There was a store on base in Afghanistan selling North Face and other name brand items that looked identical to the real deal in every way. The big difference was the zippers were on the opposite side and the fabrics were not as robust. They eventually made them stop selling the stuff but amazingly the next week the same stuff showed up with a different non descript company name on it."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #10 October 25, 2006 QuoteThe other way to spin this is that it's the outcome of Cisco's attempts at monopolizing the aftermarket. Healthy aftermarkets exist for lots of products, and the main reason IMO they get screwed up is when the OEM gets delusions of the kinds of controls they can exert. The result is typically counterproductive for suppliers or consumers, or both. Middlemen, on the other hand thrive on the inefficiencies created. Are you alluding to Cisco's practices regarding resold equipment? For those who haven't heard about it, it goes like this: - Cisco expects you to buy used gear only from them, or one of their authorized resellers. - If you buy used gear from from anywhere else, then there is an "inspection fee" you must pay before they will let you put it on a service contract. This "inspection fee" is so high that it isn't worth doing it. - If you let the service contract lapse on a piece of gear, then want to reinstate the contract, there is another fee just to reinstate the contract. This means it is cheaper for us to maintain contracts on gear we have on the shelf, just in case we decide to re-use it, instead of saving money by dropping service on gear that is sitting idle."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 October 25, 2006 counterfeit crisco?? Is that like Olestra or something??? oh....nevermind! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #12 October 25, 2006 Quote counterfeit crisco?? I always thought olive oil was better than crisco, though I could be wrong.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
