USA HOMELAND SECURITY

[mr2mk1g 10]

Well you seem to be the only one who has a problem with the thread.

Everyone else seems to get the relationship between theft from a nuclear installation and the security of your homeland, the USA... or "USA homeland security" if you will.

No one but you has so much as even come close to raising who it was that dropped that specific ball.

[mnealtx 0]

Well, tying it to homeland security makes a nice bash don't ya know...

Point in fact, and as I said above - this is an internal security failure at the lab...

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,151]

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Well, tying it to homeland security makes a nice bash don't ya know...

Point in fact, and as I said above - this is an internal security failure at the lab...

The security of our nuclear weapons labs affects the security of our homeland. It's quite easy, really. YOU are the only one that seems unable to comprehend that it doesn't mention DHS, but if you want to talk about DHS fuckups like Katrina, please go ahead.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Funny how when nobody accuses the DHS of anything, you jump to the rescue anyways. It almost looks like a conditioned response....

[NCclimber 0]

The title is misleading. Prior to the creation of DHS the term "homeland security" was not part of our lexicon. We used terms like national security or domestic security. For the most part "homeland security" wasn't a word combination most Americans used in regard to our safety.

Today, practically all uses of "homeland security" are references to DHS or it's mission. Saying the thread title is not misleading is a pedantic exercise of intellectual dishonesty.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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The title is misleading. Prior to the creation of DHS the term "homeland security" was not part of our lexicon. We used terms like national security or domestic security. For the most part "homeland security" wasn't a word combination most Americans used in regard to our safety.

Today, practically all uses of "homeland security" are references to DHS or it's mission.

True. Though in this case, something happened that could affect homeland security as the phrase was coined by the president during the announcement of the creation of the Office of Homeland Security during a address to a joint session of congress and the american public. Though it was clear that DHS was not responsible for this partical incident. Nobody said that they were....

It is amazing how people jump to the rescue of something that isn't even being attacked....Pavlov anyone?

[akarunway 1]

You people amaze me. I cannot believe you are arguing over the thread title rather than the subject. Bush and his brain ROVE created DHS to COVER EVERTHING and empower and enrichen all his (their) corporate cronies (which none of them have a fuckin clue) and which most already bailed into the private sector enriching and empowering themselves even more. Done w/ this thread. Wake up sheeple

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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You people amaze me. I cannot believe you are arguing over the thread title rather than the subject. Bush and his brain ROVE created DHS to COVER EVERTHING and empower and enrichen all his (their) corporate cronies (which none of them have a fuckin clue) and which most already bailed into the private sector enriching and empowering themselves even more. Done w/ this thread. Wake up sheeple

What does DHS have to do with the thread title and the theft of information from Los Alamos?

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[NCclimber 0]

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You people amaze me. I cannot believe you are arguing over the thread title rather than the subject. Bush and his brain ROVE created DHS to COVER EVERTHING and empower and enrichen all his (their) corporate cronies (which none of them have a fuckin clue) and which most already bailed into the private sector enriching and empowering themselves even more. Done w/ this thread. Wake up sheeple

Oh yeah!

Well, Clinton got a blow job..





and LIED ABOUT IT!!!

[mnealtx 0]

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You people amaze me. I cannot believe you are arguing over the thread title rather than the subject. Bush and his brain ROVE created DHS to COVER EVERTHING and empower and enrichen all his (their) corporate cronies (which none of them have a fuckin clue) and which most already bailed into the private sector enriching and empowering themselves even more. Done w/ this thread. Wake up sheeple

Do you have proof of that, or is that another of your "speculations"?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[freethefly 6]

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You people amaze me. I cannot believe you are arguing over the thread title rather than the subject. Bush and his brain ROVE created DHS to COVER EVERTHING and empower and enrichen all his (their) corporate cronies (which none of them have a fuckin clue) and which most already bailed into the private sector enriching and empowering themselves even more. Done w/ this thread. Wake up sheeple

Do you have proof of that, or is that another of your "speculations"?

I have no doubt that you will balk as this comes from the Democrats and does not involve blasting the legs off of jaywalkers with a streetsweeper.

http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1091

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[mnealtx 0]

Appreciate the link - I'll check it out

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[akarunway 1]

Thanks man. I can only save so much info in my mind and computer and didn't feel like digging

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[freethefly 6]

It is a very damaging report and I imagine that but a few Americans are fully aware as to where there tax dollars are going in regards to the DHS. One such expense was for beer brewing equipment.(WTF!!!). Far to much waste. Even one penny of waste is far to much.
From the report;
The Department of Homeland Security was established in 2003 by combining 22 different federal agencies and agency components into one new Department.4 In the three years since the Department’s creation, procurement spending has surged. Spending on federal contracts at DHS increased from $3.5 billion in 2003 to $10 billion in 2005, an increase of $6.5 billion.5 The total number of contracts entered into by DHS during this period grew from 14,000 in 2003 to 63,000 in 2005.
In percentage terms, DHS procurement spending increased by 189% between 2003 and 2005. In comparison, inflation increased by just 6% during this period.6 The increase in DHS procurement spending also grew 11 times faster than the growth of the rest of the government. Between 2003 and 2005, other federal discretionary spending rose by 17%.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Amazon 7]

Oh here is ONE resaon those expenditures have gone up and yet we are no safer.....

http://www.rollingstone.com/..._worst_congressmen/9


9. BIN LADEN'S BEST FRIEND
HAL ROGERS (R-KY.)

No congressman has single-handedly put America at greater risk than Rogers. As chairman of the House Subcommittee on Homeland Security, he has placed the interests of his own district ahead of defending the nation from Al Qaeda, prompting even the archconservative National Review to call him a "congressional disgrace."

Since the 9/11 attacks, Rogers has abused his position to steer production of a system designed to enhance airport security to a factory in Corbin, Kentucky. The trouble is, the factory wasn't equipped to produce the tamperproof biometric ID cards favored by security experts. So Rogers forced the government to spend $4 million to test the factory's technology -- steering some of the work to a tiny company that hired his son. When the factory flunked the test, Rogers delayed the process again, demanding that prototypes for new cards be built in Kentucky.

Rogers also steered a no-bid contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars to a trade group with no relevant experience in airport security -- after the group paid for Rogers to take six trips to Hawaii and one to Ireland. "It's as if he grabbed people off the street and said, 'Hey, would you manage a critical homeland-security program? No experience required,' ?says Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste.

Complaints by experienced contractors ultimately forced Rogers to open the project to competitive bidding -- further delaying the improvements to airport security until next year at the earliest.

[freethefly 6]

I recall, sometime back, of a town in (I believe it was)Tenn. that had a population of less than 1000 where they used DHS funds to puchase an several Urban Assault Vehicles, an aray of assault weapons, a helicopter (they had no pilot), specialty police vehicles (for one sheriff and a couple of morons for deputies). They also had NBC warfare equipment. The report stated that they spent close to (I believe) 25 million dollars. None of the equipment has or ever will be used. Waste.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Gravitymaster 0]

What are the Democrats doing about all this? Never mind I know. The usual hapless dupes.

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[Amazon 7]

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What are the Democrats doing about all this? Never mind I know.

Do you want the TRUTH????
They have been shut out of the process.... and that is quickly going to come back to haunt the right wing...big time.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/worst_congress_ever/page/1

Its a long read.. but what goes around.. comes around.... and that will not serve the american people very well.. just as right now it has not served us...but your boys rewrote the rules.

[NCclimber 0]

How many times (since Jan. '01) have the Dems filibustered spending bills?

[Amazon 7]

By all measn.. enlighten me. with a "CITE".. you can even use approved White House Propoganda sources... and PLEASE by all means compare and contrast what the objections to the MASSIVE PORK spending MIGHT have brought about that opposition..... BUT ALL of the appropriations the Administration wanted.. the Right Wing Rubber Stamp Republicans have passed.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I don't have time to read it right now, but I will read it later.

[NCclimber 0]

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By all measn.. enlighten me. with a "CITE".. you can even use approved White House Propoganda sources... and PLEASE by all means compare and contrast what the objections to the MASSIVE PORK spending MIGHT have brought about that opposition..... BUT ALL of the appropriations the Administration wanted.. the Right Wing Rubber Stamp Republicans have passed.

I don't know of a single time the Dems blocked spending bills. Perhaps you could CITE some examples.

The Dems seemed pretty effective in holding up judicial nominations. Is there any reason they couldn't do the same with spending bills?

[kallend 2,151]

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By all measn.. enlighten me. with a "CITE".. you can even use approved White House Propoganda sources... and PLEASE by all means compare and contrast what the objections to the MASSIVE PORK spending MIGHT have brought about that opposition..... BUT ALL of the appropriations the Administration wanted.. the Right Wing Rubber Stamp Republicans have passed.

I don't know of a single time the Dems blocked spending bills. Perhaps you could CITE some examples.

The Dems seemed pretty effective in holding up judicial nominations. Is there any reason they couldn't do the same with spending bills?

OH, the old "It's all your fault for not stopping me" argument.

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[jcd11235 0]

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The Dems seemed pretty effective in holding up judicial nominations. Is there any reason they couldn't do the same with spending bills?

Filibusters are a tool that works best when used sparingly. If used often, they would very likely be eliminated, through legislation, as a viable method of challenging the majority. The minority party must choose there battles well when it comes to filibusters.

A single spending bill is arguably less important than a lifetime SCOTUS appointment.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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By all measn.. enlighten me. with a "CITE".. you can even use approved White House Propoganda sources... and PLEASE by all means compare and contrast what the objections to the MASSIVE PORK spending MIGHT have brought about that opposition..... BUT ALL of the appropriations the Administration wanted.. the Right Wing Rubber Stamp Republicans have passed.

I don't know of a single time the Dems blocked spending bills. Perhaps you could CITE some examples.

The Dems seemed pretty effective in holding up judicial nominations. Is there any reason they couldn't do the same with spending bills?

OH, the old "It's all your fault for not stopping me" argument.

I'd characterize it as not serving your constituents if they felt so strongly it was wrong. But it's more likely "shut up and get your hand in the till and then we'll blame the Repubs. later".

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