Zipp0 1 #26 October 25, 2006 The same zealots that are against stem cell research today would have seen Michael J. Fox in the past and screamed "He's possessed!" or "He's a witch!" and "Burrrrrrn Himmmmm!" The issue is science, and what research can achieve for humankind. MFJ not taking his meds to illustrate what science can do when applied properly is a valid tool to promote research. It is him saying "see what happens when you neglect science?" Whether that science is research into anti-convulsive drugs or stem cells is immaterial. Either way, Limbaugh is a piece of shit. And it's ironic that MJF is not taking his drugs, and Limbaugh apparently is taking his. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #27 October 25, 2006 QuoteHow is it, my dear friends, that when he decided to do this commercial that he stayed off of his meds in order to magnify the effects of the disease, yet when he's got an acting job, he's as steady as he can possibly be. Sounds pretty phony to me. lol...yeah. If he'd just take his medicine more regularly, we wouldn't have to look at him shake like that. And the drooling, and that stupid little walk of his.... Whether he takes his medication or not his disease will still progress. His "steady as he can be" is not the same as most people's "steady as he can be." Medication won't change the course of his illness and it won't ever allow him to function like a person without Parkinson's. It truly sucks for him. Nothing wrong, as far as I can see, with him showing people just a little bit of what a disease like Parkinson's does to a person. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #28 October 25, 2006 QuoteLimbaugh is without a doubt one of the biggest right-wing microphone terrorist assholes in the country. I'm all for freedom of speech, but that doesn't give a person the right to be a complete fuckwit. Yea, how could anyone back someone that makes fun of terminally ill, debilitated people? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #29 October 25, 2006 QuoteSomeday we all just might understand that Rush L. is just like Al F., a simple bullshit entertainer laughing all the way to the bank!! Hmmmm, it's just their MO; I've yet to hear/read Al Franken make fun of terminally ill people. Yea, I think not the same, but did you hear how the Dems are as bad as Foley? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #30 October 25, 2006 Quote From what I've seen in the grocery store, some of these lard asses on food stamps seem to be eating better than me. Go figure. Let me guess, all those pics of the kids in Africa with the bloated abdomens.....they eating well too? This shows a complete lack of understanding. Answer one question, which food is cheaper and fills you up more and has less nutritive value...the bag of chips or a bag of vegetables? edited to add: Oh yea, calling Limbaugh a dick is an insult to all men. He represents the worst that human kind has to offer. He's centered his life around deceit, arrogance, contempt, hypocrisy and greed. The only thing more pitiful is the fact that some consider his artform "entertainment" or worse yet "informative". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #31 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo, you judge all humans who are in need of a hand up on the few who only have a hand out? I would gladly help someone with a hand up. If I found someone seriously making an effort to learn a trade or skill, I very possibly would invest in their lives. I probably wouldn't just give them cash because it too easy to spend it on anything. I'd probably purchase some quality tools for them. If they sold or pawned them, it would be game over. There are many able bodied people[I continue to remember New Orleans] who intentionally have few skills, and no desire to pull their own weight just because someone isn't going to pay them $40 an hour. They suck the system dry for those who truly need it. These are the ones that piss me off, and the ones that liberal politicians love to have in their pocket. I just don't see a lot of disdain on your part for willful slackers, and believe me, they are the biggest part of the problem, not the exception. QuoteThese are the ones that piss me off, and the ones that liberal politicians love to have in their pocket. So we shopuld deprive the vast majority that need and responsibly use the help to deprive the abusers. Isn't this the same logic behind witch hunts / drownings? QuoteI just don't see a lot of disdain on your part for willful slackers, and believe me, they are the biggest part of the problem, not the exception. Actually at University they had data that supported that 25% are cronic users of welfare, and how many of those had a valid reason to remain on welfare? I think you see some lazy fucks and selectively want to make them represent the entirety or vast majority. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #32 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteI work only as much as I need to to keep my head above water. Not even to save up for the double wide??? Oh SNAP!! Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #33 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuote so-called war cost? I don;t want a part of that, but my tax miney along with 1/2 trillion $ per year are being pisse away somewhere. Clinton was able to balance the budget, but Bush decided to lower taxes for the rich, so its not comming out of our pockets anyway. What's the beef? You just hate sick and poor people. So, let me get this straight, you are willing for the govt. to rob people of their hard earned cash to give it to someone who won't work, but not to build up a solid military that can protect you from the world's scumbags? By the way, the money in military contracts gets put back into the economy in the form of wages. Sure, some of it is squandered. It looks like free money to some people. Ever hear of welfare abuse? Where's your complaint about that waste? QuoteSo, let me get this straight, you are willing for the govt. to rob people of their hard earned cash to give it to someone who won't work.. - Rob people? No, the other than during the latter Clinton years, teh givernment is robbing itself - we are in a mass debt situation in case you haven't noticed. - Won't work? Many programs require work and have work retraining programs/educational programs in them, these are the ones I like. Quotebut not to build up a solid military that can protect you from the world's scumbags? - We have overbuilt the military over the years. We need to maintain it, but the B2 @ 2 billion each was unneccessary as are many programs. QuoteBy the way, the money in military contracts gets put back into the economy in the form of wages. Ahhh, you've hit my favorite subject here. Money appropriated to military projetcs: Most of it goes to engineers, managers and some to workers when they decide to trickle it down and it eventaually finds its way back into the economy. Let's face it, the money stagnates. Money appropriated for social programs immediatley makes an impact and we know these people don't save any money, so the economy flys. How do we control an underactive/overactive economy? We do so thru the interest rates. The danger with an overactive economy is that we can have inflation. Under Clinton when we had more social welfare and better wages, they kept the interest rate around 7% and things were perfect. Under Bush's economy they slammed the economy so bad that even going to 45 year lows on interest rates wasn't enough to start the economy. It finally crept along, but the outcome is a huge increase in the cost of living and backdoor will be so many bankruptcies/foreclosures due to houses doubling in price. So my point is that money going to military progs helps the few a lot, the masses a little. QuoteSure, some of it is squandered. B-1 = junk @ 300million each. B-2 nice, but obsolete based upon weapon delivery systems we now have or soon will have. QuoteIt looks like free money to some people. Ever hear of welfare abuse? Where's your complaint about that waste? I see far more abuse in corporate welfare, basically mist military progs are in that category. When there is wealfare abuse, the money is spent and teh economy flourishes, when there is corporate welfare abuse corporations trade money, but too much of it stagnates. We are taught to to hate those in lower classes, some learn not to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #34 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe Repub mouthpieces are squirming. Hey, you've had the wheel for almost 40 years, deal with it; no one keeps it forever. 40 years? How so? I don't really expect an answer. LOL Rush is a turd. So are Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter. They peddle hostility, playing to the far right. However, this kind of repulsive behavior isn't being done exclusively by right-wingers. Quote40 years? Oops, make that 30 years. QuoteThey peddle hostility, playing to the far right. However, this kind of repulsive behavior isn't being done exclusively by right-wingers. OK, so give examples from the left that are comparable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #35 October 25, 2006 QuoteEither way, Limbaugh is a piece of shit. And it's ironic that MJF is not taking his drugs, and Limbaugh apparently is taking his. Yea, actually Rush is taking drugs that aren't his. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #36 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow is it, my dear friends, that when he decided to do this commercial that he stayed off of his meds in order to magnify the effects of the disease, yet when he's got an acting job, he's as steady as he can possibly be. Sounds pretty phony to me. lol...yeah. If he'd just take his medicine more regularly, we wouldn't have to look at him shake like that. And the drooling, and that stupid little walk of his.... Whether he takes his medication or not his disease will still progress. His "steady as he can be" is not the same as most people's "steady as he can be." Medication won't change the course of his illness and it won't ever allow him to function like a person without Parkinson's. It truly sucks for him. Nothing wrong, as far as I can see, with him showing people just a little bit of what a disease like Parkinson's does to a person. linz If he could medicate to behave 'normally,' he would still be making movies at 10-20M each. He can't medicate enough to suppress the disease. I find it ironic that not 1 conservative has stepped forward to sincerely denounce Rush, period. It's been a rash of, "He's a POS, but the Dems do it too." Just like, "Foley's a POS, but the Dems are too." Desperation unfolding.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #37 October 25, 2006 QuoteI do bust my hump, and I don;t want to directly give my money to the poor, but I want my government to distrivute money from the rich and redirect it away from militaty contractors. If I become rich, I might have your attitude, but I don;t think so, but as an objective person I want the prro to have a chance, have basic medical, etc... The largest government expenditures are in the areas of Health and Human Services, and Social Security is going to begin heating up really quickly as the baby boomers begin to retire. Defense takes up less than 4% of the GDP. The wealth is already redistributed in this country. The richest 10% of wage earners in the US pay well more than half the income revenue. The richest 1%, nearly 40% alone. The US tax code is already progressive. Those that use the social services the most, pay little to nothing into it. A flat system would yield far more revenue, and everybody pays, that is one way to ensure greater social responsibility.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #38 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteI do bust my hump, and I don;t want to directly give my money to the poor, but I want my government to distrivute money from the rich and redirect it away from militaty contractors. If I become rich, I might have your attitude, but I don;t think so, but as an objective person I want the prro to have a chance, have basic medical, etc... The largest government expenditures are in the areas of Health and Human Services, and Social Security is going to begin heating up really quickly as the baby boomers begin to retire. Defense takes up less than 4% of the GDP. The wealth is already redistributed in this country. The richest 10% of wage earners in the US pay well more than half the income revenue. The richest 1%, nearly 40% alone. The US tax code is already progressive. Those that use the social services the most, pay little to nothing into it. A flat system would yield far more revenue, and everybody pays, that is one way to ensure greater social responsibility. QuoteThe largest government expenditures are in the areas of Health and Human Services, and Social Security is going to begin heating up really quickly as the baby boomers begin to retire. Yep, as with, dare I say, all nations that is the case. QuoteDefense takes up less than 4% of the GDP. I'd like to see that data. I think we spend 20% of our tax revenue on military. QuoteThe wealth is already redistributed in this country. The richest 10% of wage earners in the US pay well more than half the income revenue. The richest 1%, nearly 40% alone. They are in teh 50% braket, but most find a way to get out of that by deferal or investment. So if the rich are paying too much, then how is that as an industrialized nation we create far, far more filthy rich and 1 in 6 don't have medical coverage, many of those who technically have it pay for most of it by themselves? It sounds good on papaer, but the application stinks. QuoteThe US tax code is already progressive. Those that use the social services the most, pay little to nothing into it. And have nothing, little quality fo life and often work for an employer who makes miney off of them. QuoteA flat system would yield far more revenue, and everybody pays, that is one way to ensure greater social responsibility. So who doesn't want this? Could it be the rich? Yep, the rich don't want this due to losing their tax wroteoffs and gov tax breaks. Therich are the ones who benefit under current tax laws, don't fool yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #39 October 25, 2006 Quote The wealth is already redistributed in this country. The richest 10% of wage earners in the US pay well more than half the income revenue. The richest 1%, nearly 40% alone. As it should be. If you have $5 million, and take away 40%, you still have $3 million. You can get by on that, right? I'm sick of all the goddamn whiny millionaires. When the disparity between rich and poor becomes great enough, the pitchforks, shovels, and torches will come out. It's happened before. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #40 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuote40 years? Oops, make that 30 years. Or at least part of the last 12 years. QuoteQuoteThey peddle hostility, playing to the far right. However, this kind of repulsive behavior isn't being done exclusively by right-wingers. OK, so give examples from the left that are comparable. Michael Moore comes to mind. He may not be as nasty, but he is just as dishonest. Molly Ivens? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #41 October 25, 2006 To answer your original question, I think he *could* be more of a pig....if he grew a snout, a little curly tail, and went around oinking. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #42 October 25, 2006 QuoteI find it ironic that not 1 conservative has stepped forward to sincerely denounce Rush, period. It's been a rash of, "He's a POS, but the Dems do it too." Just like, "Foley's a POS, but the Dems are too." Desperation unfolding.... I see. Saying "Rush is a turd" should be a stand alone statement? Yeah. Let's ignore the fact that both sides have their smarmier aspects. I'm still waiting for some Democrat to state "Clinton lied to a grand jury and to the American people, PERIOD! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #43 October 25, 2006 When the disparity between rich and poor becomes great enough, the pitchforks, shovels, and torches will come out. It's happened before. Which is why we have the programs that we do. I think our social welfare programs are as much a means to keep people "content enough" as they are charitable. When the masses have basic needs met, they're not as quick to take up the pitchfork.-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #44 October 25, 2006 Quote As it should be. If you have $5 million, and take away 40%, you still have $3 million. You can get by on that, right? I'm sick of all the goddamn whiny millionaires. Except it doesn't work that way. Those who make the $5 million spend $2000 per campaign so that their representatives can insert language into the tax code that enables them to sit in the 40% tax bracket but pay less than 10%, or in some extreme cases 0%. (or in some severe cases of corporate taxes <0%) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #45 October 25, 2006 QuoteSo, let me get this straight, you are willing for the govt. to rob people of their hard earned cash to give it to someone who won't work, but not to build up a solid military that can protect you from the world's scumbags? Yes. That's it exactly. Over and out. Now STFU and vote for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #46 October 25, 2006 Quote Michael Moore comes to mind. He may not be as nasty, but he is just as dishonest. Molly Ivens? Michael Moore is more honest with the American people than our administration is But about Molly, what's the beef with her other than that she uses verifiable facts and a good memory to make Bush look like naked king that he is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #47 October 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteHow is it, my dear friends, that when he decided to do this commercial that he stayed off of his meds in order to magnify the effects of the disease, yet when he's got an acting job, he's as steady as he can possibly be. Sounds pretty phony to me. lol...yeah. If he'd just take his medicine more regularly, we wouldn't have to look at him shake like that. And the drooling, and that stupid little walk of his.... Whether he takes his medication or not his disease will still progress. His "steady as he can be" is not the same as most people's "steady as he can be." Medication won't change the course of his illness and it won't ever allow him to function like a person without Parkinson's. It truly sucks for him. Nothing wrong, as far as I can see, with him showing people just a little bit of what a disease like Parkinson's does to a person. ...and may I add: Parkinson's meds only work so well, for so long. The body habituates to them as the disease progresses. You have to keep taking more and more to treat the symptoms. Eventually, you max out on the dosage, and you cannot take any higher dosage. At that point, your symptoms get progressively worse for the rest of your life. If you're already elderly when you get the disease, that might be somewhat tolerable, given your life expectancy. But if you're younger when symptoms begin to present, the prospects are pretty bleak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #48 October 25, 2006 Rush Limbaugh is a damn asshole. Somebody needs to shut his microphone off or shoot the son of a bitch in the head. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #49 October 25, 2006 QuoteHow is it, my dear friends, that when he decided to do this commercial that he stayed off of his meds in order to magnify the effects of the disease, yet when he's got an acting job, he's as steady as he can possibly be. Sounds pretty phony to me. Face it... he has Parkinsons.. he is a dying man....the drugs may help a little..but stem cell research MIGHT help those with such disorders.... And how many takes do you think he blows because of his disease. Just remember ANYONE... at any time can be afflicted with MANY diseases and conditions.. There but for the grace of the lord go ALL of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #50 October 25, 2006 Quote By the way, the money in military contracts gets put back into the economy in the form of wages. Sure, some of it is squandered. It looks like free money to some people. Ever hear of welfare abuse? Where's your complaint about that waste? And you don't think that those who abuse the welfare system put that money back into the economy? I'd be willing to bet that nearly 100% of the money that is gained through gaming the welfare system is put back into the local economy. What do you think the percentage of ill gotten gains from government contracts makes it back in, or even into the US for that matter? And no, I don't think that either are ok. The only difference, if someone wanted to spin it in a positive light, would be that in the case of the welfare scam more people would benefit than from the contractor scam. The middle class is the victim either way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites