Feds Roll Up 125+ in Child Pr0n Investigation

[Guest]

Story

Harju's opinion: Even infants aren't safe from those sick beasts. Nice work on the part of the Feds. But although 2+ years of cyber-snooping has bagged over 125 offenders (some of them repeaters), one wonders how many others, clever enough to cover their online tracks, have slipped away?

I'm hoping that it is very few. It's my opinion (and faith in my fellow man) that most of those who are bright enough to make themselves fully anonymous on the Internet are also educated enough to be ethical and judicious with its use.

My criticism above isn't to place any fault at the feet of the Feds. They're working hard to catch up on a playing field that keeps shifting.

I'm thinking about the larger ethics questions. Certain court rulings have said that people who run websites cannot be held liable for content.

Why not? The interesting thing about web servers is that they are a centralized source of information that many can access. If I were running a file-sourcing or -sharing system, I'd have a full-time staffer whose sole purpose was to locate and report content like child Pr0n to the jurisdiction where it came from.

It's the ideas of online anonymity and immunity I'm concerned with.

Yes, there are those who would argue that if there was a truly reliable way to fingerprint those who use the Internet, it would be abused by oppressive regimes like Iran (which is currently curtailing web access in an effort to stifle internal dissent).

But the Web is radical in its true, total egalitarianism, in that it gives an equal voice to absolutely everyone, including nut jobs and child molesters.

Is there a way to put the genie partially back in the bottle, in the manner that the nuclear genie is contained with carbon rods, or is society doomed to combatting ever-growing, pervasive evil masquerading as free speech?

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[jakee 1,565]

Quote

I'm hoping that it is very few. It's my opinion (and faith in my fellow man) that most of those who are bright enough to make themselves fully anonymous on the Internet are also educated enough to be ethical and judicious with its use.

Hmm, morality increases with education and intelligence does it? I have to disagree with that I'm afraid. Intelligent and educated people can be just as evil as the blue collar section of society.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[freethefly 6]

Saw this, this morning. Per the other thread, these are the people I would eliminate and feel good about doing so.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Richards 0]

Dirtbags. Lock them up and throw away the key.

Regarding the responsibilityof the web site owners, there should be a greater degree of responsibility put on them.

Richards

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[billvon 3,080]

>Why not? The interesting thing about web servers is that they are a
>centralized source of information that many can access. If I were running a
>file-sourcing or -sharing system, I'd have a full-time staffer whose sole
>purpose was to locate and report content like child Pr0n to the jurisdiction
>where it came from.

Not all websites can afford that. We can't. If someone posted child porn on DZ.com, it might take 16-48 hours (depending on time zones etc) to get it deleted - some forums only have one moderator, and they're not always available. Willem can delete anything, but again - he has other things to do (as we all do.)

(BTW you'd need three full-time staffers; websites operate 24 hours a day.)

>It's the ideas of online anonymity and immunity I'm concerned with.

We have that issue here too. Someone who posted something disgusting can only be traced back to an IP address.

[FallRate 0]

Quote

If someone posted child porn on DZ.com, it might take 16-48 hours (depending on time zones etc) to get it deleted

Yes, but if you were to post child porn and at the same time point out that a certain individual is an ass, it would be gone in 2 - 3 minutes.

FallRate

[Botellines 0]

Not only that, the porn doesn´t necesarily have to be in a JPG picture, it could go compressed in a zip with a password, the file could be encripted, etc... As a matter of fact, how do you know it is porn? an image can contain data (ie another pic) embedded inside. Sort of like taking one bit out of every pixel and use it to hold other data. The picture could be something disney and hold child porn inside only viewable with some software. There is no practical way to monitor websites for ilegal contain, let alone P2P networks.

[slug 1]

Quote

Quote

Not only that, the porn doesn´t necesarily have to be in a JPG picture, it could go compressed in a zip with a password, the file could be encripted, etc... As a matter of fact, how do you know it is porn? an image can contain data (ie another pic) embedded inside. Sort of like taking one bit out of every pixel and use it to hold other data. The picture could be something disney and hold child porn inside only viewable with some software. There is no practical way to monitor websites for ilegal contain, let alone P2P networks.

I don't think the average everyday child porn sicko is computer savy enough for the encription mumbo jumbo, It might work in a small circle of jerks that can pass the info on how to make that stuff work via PM's.

It sounds like the subject sicko's were just surfing the net and found a roque site that gave them a chance to enjoy themselves for a short period of time and then get busted
It will be interesting to see what the legal system does with the people who got caught in the latest bust. IMO if we can have mandatory sentences for all level of drug dealers the same should apply for the folks involved in child porn.

R.I.P.

[Calvin19 0]

Quote

***Yes, but if you were to post child porn and at the same time point out that a certain individual is an ass, it would be gone in 2 - 3 minutes.

FallRate

I agree. funny how Dorkzone works like that

-SPACE-

[cloudseeker2001 0]

I used to know a person who owned an adult site and he wrote a program that went out a got porn pics and videos from all over the net. He then sold memberships and made about 10K a month. After about a year, he did not even bother to sort them out. When he decided he should stop while he was in the black, he could not believe some of the images he had on his servers! There was some bad stuff on them!

"Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance,
others mean and rueful of the western dream"

[JoeyRamone 0]

people that fuck with kids need to be killed and let GOD sort out the details. I bet we have a few sick fucks on this website too. Kill them all.

[kelpdiver 2]

Quote

I don't think the average everyday child porn sicko is computer savy enough for the encription mumbo jumbo, It might work in a small circle of jerks that can pass the info on how to make that stuff work via PM's.

Why do you presume that pedophiles are particularly stupid? Arrest records have proven clearly that this is false.

The article was pretty weak on detail, but said it was a commercial site. That implies it charged customers for access and had control over content. If true, they're responsibile for what shows up. If instead they merely provided a space for swapping, yet advertized it as 'kiddie land' to lure in subscribers, same deal.