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billvon 3,120
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>And you know all this, how?
It's public record. If you fire someone who gives you an estimate you disagee with, or you threaten to fire someone who insists on planning for the future - you're not only not listening to them, you are making sure they will not be listened to in the future.
>Nice Moday morning quarterbacking, though.
It doesn't matter what we monday morning quarterback here. No one cares. But a great many US soldiers, and a great many Iraqis, care a great deal whether our quarterback does effective planning _before_ his plays. There's little question that half a million former Iraqis think he's made a few mistakes. Let's hope that in the future he starts listening to good advice and making better decisions, so you can applaud his successes instead of defending his failures.
It's public record. If you fire someone who gives you an estimate you disagee with, or you threaten to fire someone who insists on planning for the future - you're not only not listening to them, you are making sure they will not be listened to in the future.
>Nice Moday morning quarterbacking, though.
It doesn't matter what we monday morning quarterback here. No one cares. But a great many US soldiers, and a great many Iraqis, care a great deal whether our quarterback does effective planning _before_ his plays. There's little question that half a million former Iraqis think he's made a few mistakes. Let's hope that in the future he starts listening to good advice and making better decisions, so you can applaud his successes instead of defending his failures.
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It really is too bad that this level of incomptence has so little effect on those who are perpetrating it.
Quote>And you know all this, how?
It's public record.
Oh, it is? Perhaps you can provide more detail then. What was the ratio of advisors who said it was a bad idea as compared to the ones who advised him it was? Was it 2:1, 100:1, 300:1 ??? Perhaps you can point me to the public record where I can research this?
QuoteIt really is too bad that this level of incomptence has so little effect on those who are perpetrating it.
You know, I agree with you here. I think some of these Generals and Advisors who can't seem to give him a winning strategy should be fired and replaced with more competent people.
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QuoteYou know, I agree with you here. I think some of these Generals and Advisors who can't seem to give him a winning strategy should be fired and replaced with more competent people.
He already got rid of the group that told him not to go...Powell...etc...
Rummy is overdue by about 3 years.
billvon 3,120
>I think some of these Generals and Advisors who can't seem to give him
>a winning strategy should be fired and replaced with more competent people.
The buck stops . . apparently in the same direction shit rolls.
>a winning strategy should be fired and replaced with more competent people.
The buck stops . . apparently in the same direction shit rolls.
Interesting idea....
So if you work for a company that makes a really stupid decision and you can't get it to work for them... you should get sacked?
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
So if you work for a company that makes a really stupid decision and you can't get it to work for them... you should get sacked?
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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
rehmwa 2
QuoteInteresting idea....
So if you work for a company that makes a really stupid decision and you can't get it to work for gthem... you should get sacked?
'should' is an easy answer. "No" BTW
but, this happens in real companies all the time with gthem
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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QuoteInteresting idea....
So if you work for a company that makes a really stupid decision and you can't get it to work for gthem... you should get sacked?
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'should' is an easy answer. "No" BTW
but, this happens in real companies all the time with gthem
Companies like that.. and this administration..... all just a different kind of cesspool where the biggest turds rise to the top.
QuoteOf course we seldom hear any praise for the hundreds of decisions he makes that are well advised.
Hundreds????? please list them. Face it, your brave and glorious leader has been a failure his entire life. From a coked up drunk to an ineffective warmongering president Bush has been a failure. Without daddy and daddies friends to pull his stupid ass out of the fire he'd had burned up years ago.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
kallend 2,151
QuoteQuoteIt really is too bad that this level of incomptence has so little effect on those who are perpetrating it.
You know, I agree with you here. I think some of these Generals and Advisors who can't seem to give him a winning strategy should be fired and replaced with more competent people.
Dont be silly - he fires the ones that don't agree with his preconceived ideas.
Even Bush is now agreeing that Iraq is like Vietnam (not that he'd really know, since he dodged going there).
And don't respond with your silly demands for "proof", the proof is out there for all to see. Bush's so-called "foreign policy" has been a total disaster for the US and for the people of the middle east.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rehmwa 2
QuoteAnd don't respond with your silly demands for "proof", .
how come you are allowed to same the same thing ad nauseum, but you don't want to allow the other guys the same thing?
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
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You know, I agree with you here. I think some of these Generals and Advisors who can't seem to give him a winning strategy should be fired and replaced with more competent people.
The "winning strategy" was not to go in there in the first place but if you absolutely have to ignore the advice of the military and Bush's dad and his advisors, do it with at least 300,000 troops. But that didn't happen because Rummy's concept of a nuclear tipped ninja army was supposed to be able to do it with 60,000. There are way too many examples of these idiots ignoring advice and/or firing people who did not give them the answers that they wanted when they were searching for the way to get us into this war. The blame goes on primarily on (the short list) Cheney, Rummy and Bush. Giving them a pass and blaming their current advisors for not being able to figure a way out of the mess that the big three made is just plain sad.
kallend 2,151
QuoteQuoteAnd don't respond with your silly demands for "proof", .
how come you are allowed to same the same thing ad nauseum, but you don't want to allow the other guys the same thing?
You can't prove that
The FACT is that Bush's puerile desire to be a "war president" has turned to ashes, has embarrassed the country, has demoralized the military, has destabilized the middle east, has increased recruiting of terrorists, and has resulted in the sons of 3,000+ families returning in coffins.
But he wants to "stay the course", unlike his generals.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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QuoteThe "winning strategy" was not to go in there in the first place
"Do you want to play a game??" Whopper
rehmwa 2
QuoteYou can't prove that
If you're coming to Nationals, drop me a note....
Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
QuoteQuoteAnd don't respond with your silly demands for "proof", .
how come you are allowed to same the same thing ad nauseum, but you don't want to allow the other guys the same thing?
Because he has no proof and that makes it easier to mischaracterizing what Bush said without being bothered by silly facts.
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QuoteIn Reply To
There were a shitload of people who were saying it was a really bad idea to go into Iraq; that it was going to turn into a quagmire, and that it was going to cost a whole lot more than they were saying.
Who? How many were saying it wouldn't work? Numbers please.
I know of at least one...
"Ten days ago, the U.S. secretary of state, Mr. Powell, reported alleged links between al-Qaida and the Baghdad regime. Given the present state of our research and intelligence in liaison with our allies, nothing allows us to establish such links. But we must assess the impact that disputed military action would have on this level.
Would such intervention today not be liable to exacerbate divisions between societies, cultures, peoples; divisions that nurture terrorism? ..."
Full transcript of the speech
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
QuoteQuoteIn Reply To
There were a shitload of people who were saying it was a really bad idea to go into Iraq; that it was going to turn into a quagmire, and that it was going to cost a whole lot more than they were saying.
Who? How many were saying it wouldn't work? Numbers please.
I know of at least one...
"Ten days ago, the U.S. secretary of state, Mr. Powell, reported alleged links between al-Qaida and the Baghdad regime. Given the present state of our research and intelligence in liaison with our allies, nothing allows us to establish such links. But we must assess the impact that disputed military action would have on this level.
Would such intervention today not be liable to exacerbate divisions between societies, cultures, peoples; divisions that nurture terrorism? ..."
Full transcript of the speech
Correct. One person is not a shitload.
QuoteCorrect. One person is not a shitload.
Well, at least in his neck of the world, I'd think his opinion was echoed by tens of millions of people...
I'd say a majority of my friends and co-workers back then (2003) agreed with his speech. But hey, we're liberals from SoCal, what do we know...
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
QuoteQuoteCorrect. One person is not a shitload.
Well, at least in his neck of the world, I'd think his opinion was echoed by tens of millions of people...
I'd say a majority of my friends and co-workers back then (2003) agreed with his speech. But hey, we're liberals from SoCal, what do we know...
Right, but the question was about his advisors. I doubt you and tens of millions of other left-wing know-it-alls qualified as part of the shitload.
I think you are also overlooking France's financial interests in the oil for sanction busting.
QuoteRight, but the question was about his advisors.
When advisors give terrible advice, wise men tend to replace such advisors with more competent ones.
"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
QuoteQuoteRight, but the question was about his advisors.
When advisors give terrible advice, wise men tend to replace such advisors with more competent ones.
Right, which is what I said Bush should do, a few posts up.
Ok I will believe you since you were there in those meetings Karl.
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