Michigan tries to curb racial discrimination

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with leftists fighting the whole way. Hopefully they're unsuccessful in their quest to defeat MCRI.

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[councilman24 37]

MCRI's wording is meant to BAN all affirmative action programs. While petition signatures were being collected the paid signature collectors would tell people that if you believe in civil rights sign. (Absolute opposite of effect of proposition) They were found to have committed fraud by the courts but the court refused to remove the proposal from the ballot.

MCRI= bad for civil rights and on the ballot by fraud.

Another example of the right misleading by subterfuge.

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While petition signatures were being collected the paid signature collectors would tell people that if you believe in civil rights sign.

How is a ban on discrimination bad for civil rights? Somehow, I thought that treating people differently because of the color of their skin is what the KKK does.

Or is it, "If KKK discriminates, it's bad. If NAACP discriminates, it's good?" In that case we have a nation of people, not laws.

What you are doing is, in my opinion, taking the position that it is all right to discriminate against certain groups but not others. What I see of this proposal is along the lines of my thinking that discrimination of any sort by the government is unacceptable.

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with leftists fighting the whole way. Hopefully they're unsuccessful in their quest to defeat MCRI.

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I think this is one of those issues where people show their true stripes. Regardless of infantile party labeling, I don't see how you could be opposed to this: In reality, MCRI would amend the state’s constitution to prohibit “state entities from discriminating or granting preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin.”

[Andy9o8 2]

Interesting and odd. You'd think that conservatives would support an anti-affirmative action ballot proposal, and liberals would oppose it. Yet from what I'm reading, the Michigan Republican Party is opposing it, because they fear it will mobilize black voters to come to the polls (to vote agianst it), which would probably hurt Republican candidates because most black voters will vote for Democrats.
Politics sure does make strange bedfellows.

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In reality, MCRI would amend the state’s constitution to prohibit “state entities from discriminating or granting preferential treatment based on race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin.”

To me, this shows it best. The KKK may say that it doesn't discriminate against other races, it merely grants "preferential treatment" to whites.

I hate intellectual dishonesty.

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[TheAnvil 0]

I disagree with you that believing in civil rights is in opposition to what the proposition would put into effect.

If you believe that racial discrimination is a good thing, you do not support MCRI. If you are against racial discrimination, then you support MCRI.

Pretty simple and straightforward.

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[bodypilot90 0]

Terry I am with anvil on this. AA always was B.S. Wish they had it on the ballot here in florida

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They were found to have committed fraud by the courts but the court refused to remove the proposal from the ballot.

They were not found to have committed fraud. The judge who ruled on this stated that he believed the group mislead the signatories (a contentious statement) but that there was no violation of the Voting Rights Act.

Unfortunately, affirmative action has become synonymous with preferential treatment, but there are many other paths that affirmative action can take. If a university decides to widen its line of sight when selecting a student body by looking in places in normally would not, to find equally talented individuals, then that is a good example of affirmative action. If steps are taken to give individuals a real chance at developing their talents by intervening early in their education to put them on a level playing field, then that is a good example of affirmative action. Neither of these efforts would be barred by this ballot issue.

There are better ways to foster the talents and improve the lives of those who are traditionally the focus of affirmative action than to simply assume they are inferior and give them extra points.

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They were not found to have committed fraud. The judge who ruled on this stated that he believed the group mislead the signatories (a contentious statement) but that there was no violation of the Voting Rights Act.

Ahhhhh...

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They were not found to have committed fraud. The judge who ruled on this stated that he believed the group mislead the signatories (a contentious statement) but that there was no violation of the Voting Rights Act.

Ahhhhh...

I echo that "ahhh", and especially the .
If you knowingly use either misrepresentations or deceptive language or tactics to deliberately mislead someone to do something he would not have done but for your having misled him that way, that's the classic definition of "fraud".

It's an anti-affirmative action initiative. Affirmative action generally benefits minorities and women. "Civil Rights" is a term generally used in the US to favor minorities and women. So calling an ANTI-affirmative action initiative one that advances "civil rights", is at least initially deceptive. It's classic Orwellian double-speak. And I'm sure that's quite deliberate.

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It's an anti-affirmative action initiative.

Yes, as affirmative action has become institutionalized racism, cultural bias and gender preference, it certainly seeks to end that.

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"Civil Rights" is a term generally used in the US to favor minorities and women.

That is Orwellian. It is unfortunate that most people have come to believe that civil rights apply to only certain groups of people.

Once again, there was no fraud. If there had been, the issue would have been blocked.

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They were found to have committed fraud by the courts but the court refused to remove the proposal from the ballot.

Apparently my original response to this was unclear. First, this statement is disingenuous (bullshit). It would have you think that the court recognized fraud but thought it OK. That was not the case. The judge voiced an opinion which was that he felt the signatories may not have understood the implications of this proposal. But, while the judge may have found this to be unfortunate, he found there to be no violation of the Voting Rights Act. So, in contrast to what the quoted statement suggests, the judge would have liked to bar this issue but he could not, because there was no fraud.

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I couldn't disagree more. My 'ahhh' was pointing out the flaw in councilman's post.

Affirmative action based upon race is racial discrimination - period. No exceptions. No negotiations. It is racial discrimination.

I doubt you'll find anyone would would agree that support of racial discrimination is a prerequisite for having a strong stance on civil rights. Quite the contrary, in fact. I don't think you'd find a single person who would NOT equate ending racial discrimination for employment, collegiate admission, etc. to a strong belief in civil rights for all.

Contrast that with the way the Left portrays itself. Find any pontificating Left winger, confident that he or she is a bastion of goodness in a land awash with iniquity, telling everyone 'how it is' with regards to civil rights and extolling the virtues of affirmative action. There is no quicker transition from confident civil rights crusader to coward running with their tail between their legs than if such a person is asked to defend their support of racial discrimination. When called upon to do so, they lack the courage to face the fact that racial discrimination is exactly what they do support. Vice face facts, they run like cowards, cowering behind a plethora of rhetoric and insults such as 'redneck' or 'bigot' or 'Jim Crow! Jim Crow Jim Crow!' or something similar. The people whose support they garner are uneducated morons for the most part, who actually believe such lies.

The left has done a fantastic job of supporting racial discrimination whilst casting themselves as the prominent political party supporting civil rights. You were speaking of misleading, I do believe. I think you need look no further than the Democratic Party and its support of racial discrimination under the guise of affirmative action to find a fine example of political fraud and misleading.

Challenge any AA supporter to state "I support racial discrimination because..." and you'll find the vast majority to be intellectual cowards who lack the courage to face the truth about themselves.

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[Andy9o8 2]

You're disagreeing with my agreeing with you? Well, I disagree. Don't you agree?

Actually I was just waxing philosophic about the deft use of Orwellian double-speak. The rest is just the cream filling.

[Trent 0]

Nice to see the "By Any Means Necessary" ignoramuses are out in force for supporting discrimination on this one. Intelligent debate has died an embarassing death in this country. We're now playing Jerry Springer rules debating I guess... where the loudest, most obnoxious, most violent drown out all but their equals.

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