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>How can you believe that you are no better than a terrorist, child molester, etc...?

Right now I consider myself better than a terrorist. But if I killed 500,000 people I've never met by pushing a button - I wouldn't be.



Am I the only one who didn't assume she meant which group would you rather kill off all the members of?

I was thinking of it more along the lines of, "press a button and make people stop molesting children, drinking and driving, terrorizing, etc."

sheesh! :P

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>I was thinking of it more along the lines of, "press a button and make
> people stop molesting children, drinking and driving, terrorizing, etc."

Ah, I misunderstood then! I figured "who would you wipe off the face of the earth" involved some extermination.

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>I was thinking of it more along the lines of, "press a button and make
> people stop molesting children, drinking and driving, terrorizing, etc."

Ah, I misunderstood then! I figured "who would you wipe off the face of the earth" involved some extermination.



I suppose I was focusing more on, "...to completely wipe out one of the following groups by pushing a button." and thinking you can "wipe out" a group without actually going and killing everyone.

Either way, I'd repugn that it's a more interesting question using my interpretation.

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Islamic extremist and maybe the french, well the french Islamic extremist anyway ;)

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>I was thinking of it more along the lines of, "press a button and make
> people stop molesting children, drinking and driving, terrorizing, etc."

Ah, I misunderstood then! I figured "who would you wipe off the face of the earth" involved some extermination.



I suppose I was focusing more on, "...to completely wipe out one of the following groups by pushing a button." and thinking you can "wipe out" a group without actually going and killing everyone.

Either way, I'd repugn that it's a more interesting question using my interpretation.



Is this another one of those "feel the love" threads??? The new face of SC?? :D:o

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None, I wouldn't want that kind of power. If I push that button, I'm no better then they.



I've never understood the logic that makes punishing someone for a crime as evil as the crime itself.

I don't see how executing a murderer makes me as evil as them. I see that it makes the world just a tad bit safer, since most criminals are repeat offenders.
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Religion as a concept. TV preachers who fleece old ladies and otherwise victimize their flock, for example. Clerics who exhort others to fly airplanes into buildings .......



I'd say that's not 'religion' as intended, it's an abused power structure, or a business scam, much like political parties. What you are really arguing against is extremism, corruption, and misapplication of intent. That applies to many organized religions (or at least many parts of them), but also to many other power structures too. (I'm cynical about organized religion too, but people are fanatical and get frauded about other things too. "frauded"?? is that a word?)

So what you are asking for is for people to be more intelligent about their passions so frauds don't use that to go sell them snake oil. I'll take your list of (hypocritical, power abusing) religious leaders, and add in specific lists of corrupt politicians and business leaders, the local bully, men or women that lie to get something for free from others, etc.

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>I was thinking of it more along the lines of, "press a button and make
> people stop molesting children, drinking and driving, terrorizing, etc."

Ah, I misunderstood then! I figured "who would you wipe off the face of the earth" involved some extermination.



I liked it the way it was.:)
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Terrorists do not necessarily target the military exclusively. Their goals are to create fear, panic and political instability. They don't care who they kill and will generally have no problem killing innocent civilians if it helps them achieve their political goals.



Are you calling our politicians terrorists? So would the terrorists be considered "patriots" if they released a video tape where they stated the civilian deaths as "regrettable", or "birth pangs"?

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Terrorists do not necessarily target the military exclusively. Their goals are to create fear, panic and political instability. They don't care who they kill and will generally have no problem killing innocent civilians if it helps them achieve their political goals.



Are you calling our politicians terrorists? So would the terrorists be considered "patriots" if they released a video tape where they stated the civilian deaths as "regrettable", or "birth pangs"?



WOW!! Are you saying we target civilians?

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Are you calling our politicians terrorists? So would the terrorists be considered "patriots" if they released a video tape where they stated the civilian deaths as "regrettable", or "birth pangs"?



WOW!! Are you saying we target civilians?



We call it "collateral damage" and "acceptable loss". But one could certainly make the argument that by giving Israel cluster bombs so that they can litter the Lebanese countryside with thousands of them over the last 72 hrs before the cease fire that yes, we have no problelm targeting civilians.

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I don't see how executing a murderer makes me as evil as them. I see that it makes the world just a tad bit safer, since most criminals are repeat offenders.



Murder is murder no matter the motivation.



Execution: A putting to death especially as a legal penalty.

Murder: The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought.

A murder is always a murder but an execution is not always a murder.
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I guess thats a difference of opinion.... if after someone is executed, you found out they were innocent, does it then become murder?

Either way to stay on topic I would not accept the role of wiping any group out. Pretty much for the same reasons others say they wouldnt
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It does not matter if they are guilty or innocent as long as it is legal for their to be a difference by definition.

It isn't like you are wiping out a good group. So you would not have accepted the role of wiping out the Nazis? (Think of all the lives you would have saved.)
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>So you would not have accepted the role of wiping out the Nazis?

Not if it meant wiping out most Germans (i.e. the Germans who at least claimed to not be opposed to the Nazi party.)

>It isn't like you are wiping out a good group.

Some people in the world feel like wiping out the US wouldn't be wiping out a good group. (From their perspective, that is.)

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Ok, ok, ok. Have we really reached a point in human history where we refuse to define groups such as child molesters, terrorists, etc... as bad? I am not saying who is or isn't a child molester, terrorist, etc... I am saying that child molesters, terrorists, etc.. are bad and I would wipe them out.

Pretend that the button will distinguish perfectly who is or is not one of the group that you choose to wipe out. Which group would you wipe out?
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No I wouldnt wipe out the Nazis.... First off mostly because I already said no I wouldnt wipe out anyone, but to be more specfic, to wipe out the "nazis" would mean all of them right? What about the many who were just following Hitlers orders? Its not up to me to save lives by killing groups of people because in the end people are still being killed by the hands of others.

Hell at this point it appears America is the most hated country in the world, Iran, and North Korea are the first two countries that come to mind that would love us to be non-existent..... Then theres Iraq, and hell it appears that the brits want us gone to... Think of all the people that would be saved by killing the 300,000 plus americans who are a waste of air according to much of the world. I love my country by the way. Just trying to make a mute point I am sure.
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>Define really bad?

The button decides, in his scenario - and it always makes perfect decisions.



(remind me not to post any hypothetical polls - apparently it causes sarcasm - I call it hypotharcasm)

all praise the button

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The button decides, in his scenario - and it always makes perfect decisions




Ahhhh I see, well then its not us getting the opportunity anymore, its a button .... that makes decsions based on levels of badness... I wonder if it also makes julienne fries, if it has that much power then it should be more versitile for when theres no bad people left.
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