jcd11235 0 #26 October 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteWith Islam no. With the extremists yes. Just as there's not a culture clash with Christianity but there is with Christians who go around bombing abortion clinics and demonstrating at Soldiers funerals. This kind of comparison is silly. How many people have died as a result of terrorism by Christians? Regarding abortion clinic bombings, I think the number is a low single digit one. How about deaths since 9/11 due to acts of Islamic terrorism? I'm guessing it's in the thousands. Comparing the two is like comparing a paper cut to a compound fracture. Link link2Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #27 October 13, 2006 Four deaths since Roe v. Wade. Like I said, a silly comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #28 October 13, 2006 The link to http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm isn't working. The second link to http://www.feminist.org/rrights/violence.html is a bit off topic for this particular thread. Thanks for the links.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #29 October 13, 2006 Quote Four deaths since Roe v. Wade. Like I said, a silly comparison. Ah, I get the 2nd link now. We're all agreed, the original comparison being discussed wasn't a good one for this thread. Yes, I'm being anal about this thread. Why? Because I really want to learn something regarding the topic of the thread. We have people giving excellent on-topic input here, and I really would appreciate the focus not getting too far off topic. Thanks.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #30 October 13, 2006 QuoteThe link to http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_viol.htm isn't working. Works just fine for me (clicking on your clicky).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #31 October 13, 2006 QuoteFour deaths since Roe v. Wade. Like I said, a silly comparison. Lots of instances of violence against providers.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #32 October 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteFour deaths since Roe v. Wade. Like I said, a silly comparison. Lots of instances of violence against providers. No doubt, there are lots of instances of violence against abortion providers. Relatively speaking, it's miniscule compared to the amount of violence carried out by Islamic terrorists. Another thing to note is the response to these acts of violence. All forms of terrorism, in developed nations are investigated and prosecuted. In contrast, much of the violence carried out in the name of Islam, in predominantly Muslim countries, goes unaddressed by local governments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #33 October 13, 2006 Quote Relatively speaking, it's miniscule compared to the amount of violence carried out by Islamic terrorists. We have the war in Iraq to thank for that. It is making the world less safe.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 October 13, 2006 It worked this time.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #35 October 13, 2006 Quote It is making the world less safe. We haven't been attacked in 5 years, despite repeated efforts. Where do you think that intel is coming from?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #36 October 13, 2006 QuoteTwo of his key operators, who were devout Muslims, walked off their posts to go pray. He about shat himself. This kind of bullshit happens right here in American factories. The plant that I worked in had a huge number of Muslims who would leave the line to go pray, all the while still getting paid! They would then get extra time after the shift to "make up" for the work they didn't do (never mind that someone had to pull in the slack while they prayed). They got huge paychecks. Most of us felt they should had been forced to clock out whenever they did their praying. If anyone other than a muslim tried that crock of bullshit, they would had been shown the door and fired."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #37 October 13, 2006 Quote This kind of bullshit happens right here in American factories. The plant that I worked in had a huge number of Muslims who would leave the line to go pray, all the while still getting paid! They would then get extra time after the shift to "make up" for the work they didn't do (never mind that someone had to pull in the slack while they prayed). They got huge paychecks. Most of us felt they should had been forced to clock out whenever they did their praying. If anyone other than a muslim tried that crock of bullshit, they would had been shown the door and fired. Wow, dude. Unbelievable.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #38 October 13, 2006 QuoteQuote It is making the world less safe. We haven't been attacked in 5 years, despite repeated efforts. Where do you think that intel is coming from? What about the Anthrax shortly after 9/11? What about the attacks on our troops in Iraq that occur every 15 minutes? That intel was agreed upon by every one of our intelligence agencies, 12 or 13 in total. The repeated efforts you speak of are evidence of how we are not safer now than before 9/11. We are not safer until the desire to attack America stops. Our current foreign policy does not accomplish much to wards those ends.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #39 October 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteWith Islam no. With the extremists yes. Just as there's not a culture clash with Christianity but there is with Christians who go around bombing abortion clinics and demonstrating at Soldiers funerals. This kind of comparison is silly. How many people have died as a result of terrorism by Christians? Regarding abortion clinic bombings, I think the number is a low single digit one. How about deaths since 9/11 due to acts of Islamic terrorism? I'm guessing it's in the thousands. Comparing the two is like comparing a paper cut to a compound fracture. Link link2 Timothy McVeigh was (nominally) a Christian. His death toll was way above the single digits. The IRA is (nominally) Christian. They have killed over 3,000.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #40 October 13, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWith Islam no. With the extremists yes. Just as there's not a culture clash with Christianity but there is with Christians who go around bombing abortion clinics and demonstrating at Soldiers funerals. This kind of comparison is silly. How many people have died as a result of terrorism by Christians? Regarding abortion clinic bombings, I think the number is a low single digit one. How about deaths since 9/11 due to acts of Islamic terrorism? I'm guessing it's in the thousands. Comparing the two is like comparing a paper cut to a compound fracture. Link link2 Timothy McVeigh was (nominally) a Christian. His death toll was way above the single digits. The IRA is (nominally) Christian. They have killed over 3,000. And, of course, the Nazis were (nominally) Christian. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #41 October 13, 2006 those groups weren't actually killing for religious purposes though. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #42 October 13, 2006 Quotethose groups weren't actually killing for religious purposes though.If we were to look closer, I'll bet we'd find that a lot of the killings in Iraq aren't based on religion, too. Yes, lots are. But we can't presume to understand it all from 8000 miles away. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #43 October 13, 2006 Quotethose groups weren't actually killing for religious purposes though. I think it could be argued that McVeigh's revenge for Waco was somewhat motivated by religion, or at least the freedom thereof.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #44 October 13, 2006 In Iraq the fighting seems to be motivated by different groups wanting to control gain control over the country. Those groups are all defined by their religion. examples: Shia, Sunni Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #45 October 13, 2006 I'd say the Nazis were killing for a combination of religious and ethnic reasons, and religion played a role in Hitler's rise to power and in his view of the world and what needed to be done to "fix" it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #46 October 13, 2006 QuoteIn Iraq the fighting seems to be motivated by different groups wanting to control gain control over the country. Those groups are all defined by their religion. examples: Shia, Sunni Yes and no. Yes, the divisions come down along religious lines, but I wouldn't say they're all fighting for religious reasons. Some are, but I think the main point of contention is who will have power in the new Iraq and how much power they'll have. That's no more a religious struggle than the conflict between the US and Iraq is a Crusade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #47 October 13, 2006 Quote those groups weren't actually killing for religious purposes though. I guess all that stuff about Protestants vs Catholics was made up.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #48 October 13, 2006 Quote Can the root of the radical extremism be found in the Wahabis? Short term yes, long term no. Extremism has been an on-again off-again thing in Islam, historically. The Kharijites for instance make the Wahabis look like kindergarteners.My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #49 October 14, 2006 Quotethose groups weren't actually killing for religious purposes though. The Irish terrorists on both sides were. People were reguarly killed because they were Catholic or ProtestantWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #50 October 14, 2006 QuoteIn Iraq the fighting seems to be motivated by different groups wanting to control gain control over the country. Those groups are all defined by their religion. examples: Shia, Sunni To a degree thats true but theres also a hell of a lot of gangsterism that has nothing to do with religion.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
