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kallend 2,148
QuoteQuotePerhaps you forgot, but thee wasn't a deficit under the latter years of Clinton.
Those supposed surpluses were merely forecasts. The last time we posted an end-of-year surplus was in the 60s.
Not according to the US Treasury.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rehmwa 2
That was a piece of art.
But it was pretty high quality for a response to what was essentially a bitter tantrum.
Now the normal response to a great post like that is "well, I didn't mean YOU, I mean all those damn Rupublican business owners."
You know, like that one guy with the newstand on the corner. No employees, but since he isn't putting the screws on some employer, he must also be scum. Or that quickie mart owner who works for 80 hours per week and makes less per hour than any of his 3 employees. Or that independent cab driver.
THOSE BASTARDS - out to get the little guy
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
But it was pretty high quality for a response to what was essentially a bitter tantrum.
Now the normal response to a great post like that is "well, I didn't mean YOU, I mean all those damn Rupublican business owners."
You know, like that one guy with the newstand on the corner. No employees, but since he isn't putting the screws on some employer, he must also be scum. Or that quickie mart owner who works for 80 hours per week and makes less per hour than any of his 3 employees. Or that independent cab driver.
THOSE BASTARDS - out to get the little guy
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
kallend 2,148
www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2563510
All GOP congressmen are crooks too.
Lot of crooks in DC.
All GOP congressmen are crooks too.
Lot of crooks in DC.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
rehmwa 2
Quotewww.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2563510
All GOP congressmen are crooks too.
Lot of crooks in DC.
Just like all college professors sleep with their students....
And all bosses sleep with their secretaries...
and all female real estate agents are aggressive sluts.....
etc etc etc
Still, lots of crooks in DC you got that right
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
kallend 2,148
QuoteQuotewww.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2563510
All GOP congressmen are crooks too.
Lot of crooks in DC.
Just like all college professors sleep with their students....
Well, the students sleep, but generally we are standing at the front of the classroom so it's hard for us to take a nap.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteQuotePerhaps you forgot, but thee wasn't a deficit under the latter years of Clinton.
Those supposed surpluses were merely forecasts. The last time we posted an end-of-year surplus was in the 60s.
Not according to the US Treasury.
How about some numbers to back that up.
Here's a link:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
kallend 2,148
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotePerhaps you forgot, but thee wasn't a deficit under the latter years of Clinton.
Those supposed surpluses were merely forecasts. The last time we posted an end-of-year surplus was in the 60s.
Not according to the US Treasury.
How about some numbers to back that up.
Here's a link:
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdhisto4.htm
You confuse debt with deficit.
Now, whether or not you agree with the Treasury's way of calculating deficit is another matter, but they do it the way they do it.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
I always thought that if your overall debt increased from one year to the next, you had a deficit for that year. How is this wrong? Which year since 1961 has this not been the case?
How about some actual numbers showing a year end surplus???
How about some actual numbers showing a year end surplus???
kallend 2,148
QuoteI always thought that if your overall debt increased from one year to the next, you had a deficit for that year. How is this wrong? Which year since 1961 has this not been the case?
How about some actual numbers showing a year end surplus???
From the White House Office of Management and Budget http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/
(all in $B)
FY Revenue Expenditure Surplus
1996 1,453.1 1,560.5 -107.5
1997 1,579.3 1,601.2 -22.0
1998 1,721.8 1,652.6 69.2
1999 1,827.5 1,701.9 125.6
2000 2,025.2 1,788.8 236.4
2001 1,991.2 1,863.8 127.4
2002 1,853.2 2,011.0 -157.8
2003 1,782.3 2,157.6 -375.3
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteQuoteI always thought that if your overall debt increased from one year to the next, you had a deficit for that year. How is this wrong? Which year since 1961 has this not been the case?
How about some actual numbers showing a year end surplus???
From the White House Office of Management and Budget http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/
(all in $B)
FY Revenue Expenditure Surplus
1996 1,453.1 1,560.5 -107.5
1997 1,579.3 1,601.2 -22.0
1998 1,721.8 1,652.6 69.2
1999 1,827.5 1,701.9 125.6
2000 2,025.2 1,788.8 236.4
2001 1,991.2 1,863.8 127.4
2002 1,853.2 2,011.0 -157.8
2003 1,782.3 2,157.6 -375.3
It's amazing what can be done with a Republican Congress and a Democrat President. Balanced budgets.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
QuoteQuoteI always thought that if your overall debt increased from one year to the next, you had a deficit for that year. How is this wrong? Which year since 1961 has this not been the case?
How about some actual numbers showing a year end surplus???
From the White House Office of Management and Budget http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/
(all in $B)
FY Revenue Expenditure Surplus
1996 1,453.1 1,560.5 -107.5
1997 1,579.3 1,601.2 -22.0
1998 1,721.8 1,652.6 69.2
1999 1,827.5 1,701.9 125.6
2000 2,025.2 1,788.8 236.4
2001 1,991.2 1,863.8 127.4
2002 1,853.2 2,011.0 -157.8
2003 1,782.3 2,157.6 -375.3
Those are BUDGET numbers... pro forma... estimates. Not year-end figures!!!
The numbers above show a surplus of over $500 Billion dollars, from '98 to '01.
What happened to the federal debt over that period?
Please explain why the federal debt increased over every one of those years.
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I notice a lot of posts, especially in Bonfire, made by people who are supposedly at work.
Look at it this way. If you are making $10 an hour, and only producing 4 hr. a day, you're actually making $20 an hr.You're also cutting you company's profits by that much.
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With that kind of attitude, the work would look just like the screwed up mess that I'm fixing, so why do it twice.
You need to step outside of yourself for a minute, and think about the small business man who has put everything that he has into making a go of it, and have some lazy ass employee ripping him off at every turn.
Hopefully, at some point in your life, you will be inspired to free yourself from the bondage of the employer, and start your own business. Then, the shoe will be on the other foot.
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I notice a lot of posts, especially in Bonfire, made by people who are supposedly at work.
Look at it this way. If you are making $10 an hour, and only producing 4 hr. a day, you're actually making $20 an hr.You're also cutting you company's profits by that much.
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That attitude is why I do small jobs and refuse to take on employees.QuoteGood, fuck teh employer! See, it works both ways. Employers have the ability to set the stage and I've seen a couple businesses that care about their employees, these employers don't fuck the their employees. The employer sets the stage, so if they get fucked, fuck em
With that kind of attitude, the work would look just like the screwed up mess that I'm fixing, so why do it twice.
You need to step outside of yourself for a minute, and think about the small business man who has put everything that he has into making a go of it, and have some lazy ass employee ripping him off at every turn.
Hopefully, at some point in your life, you will be inspired to free yourself from the bondage of the employer, and start your own business. Then, the shoe will be on the other foot.
Of course there's a difference between worker and employer. Worker expects to get paid as consideration for work performed. Employer expects work to be performed in exchange for pay. Worker expects to have monetary benefit from work performed for employer. Employer expects to have monetary benefit from work performed by employee.
Now that's utter hogwash. Salaried employees shouldn't get overtime. Let's say I'm an employer and I offer the option to an employee of making $20.00 per hour or a $50,000.00 per year salary for the job. If the worker worked a straight 40 hour week every week for 52 weeks, that worker would end up making $41,600.00 per year in base pay. But, if the employee worked 50 hours per week, the employee would make an additional $15,600 with time and a half. Which would the employee choose? Interesting, eh?
There's also the controversy surrounding the 40 hour work week done in four 10-hour shifts. The commies suggest that the worker should get tim and a half for eight of those hours of overtime. If that were required of me, the hourly employees would have no choice - they'd get five 8-hour days. I'm not paying more so that they can do the same amount of work and have an extra day off. That makes no sense to me. So, yeah, the employee will get screwed because that option doesn't exist for them, anymore. It does, but few employers would be so charitable.
Of COURSE we would if we could. Labor is a commodity like anything else. If you could get gasoline for a nickel a gallon would you do it? or would you feel like you are hosing people because you are paying too little? Think of any product you want and ask yourself, "If you could get it cheaper, would you?" The answer to that is "Yes."
On the other hand, assume you are a painter. Let's say I'm a corporation and I tell you, "I'll pay you a dollar per hour to paint my house, and I'll provide the materials." Would you do it? Would you say, "Let me check with my union?" Or would you simply say, "No way." Ahhh, if that's the case, it turns out that you are as greedy as the corporations you so despise.
People like me expect employees to bargain for more money. It's the name of the game - protecting your interests. It seems as though people like you expect to protect your own interest while having employers protect yours instead of their own interests. The inevitable outcome of your situation is unemployment - when the corporation cannot keep doing business because spent so much taking care of its employees it forgot to take care of itself.
Don't expect businesses to picture themselves as fattened sows to feed piglets. You don't like what employers have to offer? Then do what I did and go into business on your own. Then find out how easy it is to bankrupt yourself by hanging yourself out to dry for people who view you as a paycheck.
And vice versa. They can expect to do the screwing at roughly the same rate, i.e., 50 percent of employers will try to screw employees and 50 percent of employees will try to screw employers.
in fact, you are arguing in favor of screwing employers by making employers be benevolent philanthropists. I can tell you that if it became a requirement for me to pay, insure, house, feed and provide for the general welfare of my employees, I would have no employees because I would cease operations.
If you have a family and are untrained in any marketable job skill, it is YOU who should face the consequences of your actions - not me. I had no life in my 20's - no kids, no really decent long-term relationship, NOTHING. Hey, I didn't even own a house until I was 32 years old because I decided to get my education and marketable skills BEFORE starting a family.
I guess I should have said, "Oh, boo hoo. I'm lonely. I have no house. I have no wife or kids. All I have is debt and a law degree. Somebody should provide me a wife so I can have kids, and I shouldn't have to go through the trouble of dating. Somebody else should cover my ass for my decisions and having fallen behind in life. I wish I had never gone to school, because then I'd have kids and I could bitch about not having any marketable skills. It's so much more tolerable to make irresponsible decisions so others can cover my sorry ass than to make good decisions and get no sympathy. Oh, woe is me."
I'm such an asshole. I think adults should be responsible for their own decisions. Then again, I see your logic - "lawrocket proved himself to be responsible to himself and his family. Joe has proven himself irresponsible to himself and his family. Therefore, on the basis of track records, lawrocket should be responsible for Joe and his family. It's only fair. He obviously shit on someone to get ahead. How else would he have achieved what he did?"
I'll tell you how - by shitting on myself to get ahead. No fuck-fests for me in my twenties. My weekends were spent studying and working. My nights were spent studying instead of partying. Throughout my whole fucking twenties, dude. I had to put my dick on reserve while I invested in myself.
Most of us shit on ourselves to get ahead. I'm done shitting on myself, and I'll be damned if I'll let anybody else shit on me.
And when people like you tell people, "Don't even try to get ahead" you become the worst of the worst. How else could a kid like me - the child of a teenage mother and an alcoholic drug abuser who grew up in Section 8 housing - get ahead? Oh, and I've got a learning disability, too.
I'm the fucking example you hold out of someone who should not have been able to get where I was. I was told all through my youth that I should look for a job in sales. I even allowed myself to fail out of college because I believed I couldn't do it - I was just way too disadvataged.
Yes, success is difficult. And the way to success is to quit feeling sorry for yourself, dust yourself off, and try again. It's damned difficult. I learned that failure is even MORE difficult. Why not tell people that instead of blaming the system.
As you may be able to tell, I am getting increasingly pissed off at yoru post as I write. There's no surer was to ensure that a kid will fail in life than to tell the kid not to bother trying because it's too hard. I suppose you need failures to prove your point, so those of your ideology makes them to prove your point.
So, the ideology is, "If two wrongs don't make a right, try three!" Included in this is, "Employers started it." Or, "I figured they'd fuck me so I fucked them first." "Do unto others before they do unto you."
Or, is it what I REALLY suspect, "I know what I'd do if I ran a business, and nobody should be allowed to do that."
Democrats bitch about the wealthiest and corporations because they are the wealthiest, and know what they do. Republicans spout off about sexual perversions because they are the ones with the most perverted thoughts, and nobody should be allowed to do what THEY want to do.
I've screwed employers in the past. I regret it now because I've seen their side. I don't screw employees. If I get a good employee, I try my best to keep the employee. which is why we insure our employees and match their retirements. I've even paid out over $10k in bonuses to our employees this year because they are valuable and I don't want them to leave.
But if they screw me, they are fucking GONE.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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