Jimmy Carter is full of shit about North Korea

[sundevil777 102]

Jimmy's editorial today:

http://www.nytimes.com go to the editorial section

This part caught my eye...

Responding to an invitation from President Kim Il-sung of North Korea, and with the approval of President Bill Clinton, I went to Pyongyang and negotiated an agreement under which North Korea would cease its nuclear program at Yongbyon and permit inspectors from the atomic agency to return to the site to assure that the spent fuel was not reprocessed. It was also agreed that direct talks would be held between the two Koreas.



Dick Morris, political advisor to Clinton at the time, said the exact oppposite. Clinton was on the verge of launching a limited attack on N. Korea when Jimmy Carter went there on his own, without approval from Clinton, and negotiated the deal without any authorization from Clinton. According to Morris, Clinton was furious, but did not want to repudiate the actions of a former president of his own party.

So, basically Morris said that Clinton had to accept the all carrot and no stick deal (really hard to negotiate that, eh?) that we now realize N. Korea never honored anyway.

Fucking asshole Carter, and then has the balls to write that editorial.

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[StreetScooby 5]

This is a better url that takes you directly to the article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/opinion/11carter.html

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[Gawain 0]

Carter also seemed to forget that the CIA found that DPRK was "cheating" on the "Agreed Framework" (almost as soon as it was signed) which, I believe, Madeline Albright was the one who negotiated that.

Edit to add: Also, Carter doesn't seem to understand that under Kim Jong Il, wants to be isolated. DPRK lives on the mantra of "self sufficiency". Even though we know they can't, it's what they want.

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I have lost alot of respect for Jimmy Carter. He's a modern day Chamberlain.

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I have lost alot of respect for Jimmy Carter. He's a modern day Chamberlain.

Maybe he's into his brother's beer again

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[lawrocket 3]

I seem to recall tha Carter did the same thing in Haiti. he has a habit of exasperating sitting presidents. Clinton was the top recipient.

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[SlyFox 0]

Yes, Carter was there, even after he was told to leave. Which his agreement was to give Cedras a large some of money. Which the only option Cedras should have been given is leave. I thought Carter was bad at politics and needs to stick to building houses.

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Yes, Carter was there, even after he was told to leave. Which his agreement was to give Cedras a large some of money. Which the only option Cedras should have been given is leave. I thought Carter was bad at politics and needs to stick to building houses.

Agreed... I think he was one of the worst presidents at getting anything done right.

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[Andy9o8 2]

Carter is probably one of the most decent and ethically upright people ever to serve as President. Smart as a whip, too. An outstanding human being, really. Too bad decency and competence aren't synonymous.

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Carter is probably one of the most decent and ethically upright people ever to serve as President. Smart as a whip, too. An outstanding human being, really. Too bad decency and competence aren't synonymous.

You hit the nail on the head.

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[NCclimber 0]

Jimmy Carter's presidency may go down in history as the worst of the 20th Century.

As far as ex-Presidents meddling in foreign affairs, contrary to the wishes of the sitting President - he stands in a class all his own.

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Jimmy Carter's presidency may go down in history as the worst of the 20th Century

Depends on what you use to measure.
Wars started?
Deficit left for others to pay?
US citizens killed in other countries?
Stock market crashes?
Real estate busts?

But we did boycott the Olympics. We made a stand against the USSR invading Afghanistan. How would that sit with the "don't deal with them" folks these days?

Inflation was horrendous. Of course, it started heading up before he became president, and stayed high after his presidency. He was nowhere close to the worst president, you have to have really trying times to achieve true greatness, and generally to achieve true awfulness. You can make your own trying times for awfulness, and, well, his just didn't qualify.

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[sundevil777 102]

Remember when he didn't light the White House Christmas tree as a symbol of support or something for the hostages in Iran.

No way was he the worst president. He is right up there for the worst ex-president though.

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Jimmy Carter's presidency may go down in history as the worst of the 20th Century.

As far as ex-Presidents meddling in foreign affairs, contrary to the wishes of the sitting President - he stands in a class all his own.

Tell me ur fuckin joking.

Did you forget about Hoover? And Reagan started all this mass gov spending BS that has jacked the debt to all-time proportions, so Regan should be the worst in the 20th, but people have the grandpa recognition of him, so he will be revered as one of the best. Before Regan we had 1 trillion $ debt, unions were still powerful enough to ensure a good wage and we still had a constitution with things like entrapment and the 4th. Post Reagan we had union busting, mandatory insurane and seat belts and huge debt. The economy felt good, but it was false in that it was borrowed money that poor George 1 had to endure a recession with.

Carter was not the worst of the 20th, perhaps one of the most do-nothing, but not the worst.

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Overall, who had a worse presidency?

Even Nixon, with the heavy shame of Watergate, accomplished a great deal.

Looking at Clinton and his impeachment, I bet history will place him in the top five of the last century.

With Carter, we had huge inflation, historically high interest rates, a major energy crisis and a horrible foreign policy record. Iran is the most notable. Boycotting the Summer Olympics really stuck to one particular group - out athletes.

Right out of the gate, he alienated himself from his own party in Congress. He felt the need to fire his entire cabinet. Not exactly compelling leadership.

Again, who was worse?

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He is right up there for the worst ex-president though.

More like the best ex-president. Most ex-presidents just retire to the lecture circuit and the golf course and the corporate boardroom, raking in the royalties on memoirs which were ghost-written by staff. Carter established Habitat for Humanity, which has provided shelter and the chance at the American dream – home ownership – to countless thousands of people who otherwise were totally disenfranchised. Also established the Carter Center. He's been called upon to monitor the integrity of elections worldwide. He's been an ethical and moral compass who I am proud to call a countryman. He's done good works all over the globe. Yes, he's made a few blunders, like in North Korea, Haiti, etc.; but his deficiencies as an ex-president pale by comparison to how he's shined. His ex-presidencey will go down in history as the gold standard against which all other ex-presidents will be judged.

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You forgot his blunders regarding Cuba, Somalia and Bosnia.

No doubt, his efforts with Habitat for Humanity outshine any other ex-Presidents achievements. IMO this contribution is more than offset by his unathorized meddling abroad.

[Andy9o8 2]

And you're ignoring the other 95% of his life's work since leaving office.

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Jimmy Carter's presidency may go down in history as the worst of the 20th Century.

It turns out this was a bit of an overstatement. I did a little looking around and found a collection of surveys on Presidential greatness, given to history scholars over the last 58 years. All presidents before Truman were in 12 polls. Dubya was only in two.

Based on the average scores, Carter came in 13th (tied with Gerald Ford) out of 17 presidents of the last century. Coolidge and Nixon were close behind, with the esteemed Warren G. Harding ranking as the worst President in history.

So Carter placed in the bottom third, but not dead last.

Anyone know when he's going to Iran?

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Anyone know when he's going to Iran?

I bet GW gets there before him.

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And you're ignoring the other 95% of his life's work since leaving office.

Is buddying up with Chavez in that other 95%?

Oh, hello again!

[sundevil777 102]

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(Carter) He's been called upon to monitor the integrity of elections worldwide.

Didn't he give his good election-keeping seal of approval to Venezuela's last election? Or was it some other dictator's so-called election?

Just because he's called upon to monitor them doesn't mean he's doing a good job of it.

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Remember when he didn't light the White House Christmas tree as a symbol of support or something for the hostages in Iraq.

No way was he the worst president. He is right up there for the worst ex-president though.

Hostages in Iran?

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[sundevil777 102]

Yes, of course I meant the hostages in Iran. (a previous post said hostages in Iraq).

I am old enough to remember that.

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As far as ex-Presidents meddling in foreign affairs, contrary to the wishes of the sitting President - he stands in a class all his own.

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Tell me ur fuckin joking.

Did you forget about Hoover?

Um, Hoover was appointed by Truman to meddle in Germany on Truman's behalf after WWII.

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And Reagan started all this mass gov spending BS that has jacked the debt to all-time proportions, so Regan should be the worst in the 20th,

No, Reagan didn't spend a dime. Congress spends money. Sure, Congress was too wimpy to say "no" to Reagan, but they could have. Second, assuming he had the purse strings, FDR really started the mass government spending. He called it the "New Deal."

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Before Regan we had 1 trillion $ debt

In 1947, our national debt was 120 percent of our GNP. IN 1960, our national debt was 60 percent of the GNP. In 1975, our national debt was 36 percent of our GNP. In 1982 our national debt was 35 percent of GNP. In 1990, our natinal debt was 52 oercent of the GNP. In 1995, our national debt was at 66 percent of our GNP. IN 2000, our national debt was 60 percent of the GNP. On 2005, our national debt was at 63 percent of the GNP.

Bearing that in mind, how can you say Reagan was the big spender and responsible for "huge debt?" Seems like it's about 40% higher now than when he left office.

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unions were still powerful enough to ensure a good wage...Post Reagan we had union busting

Before Reagan, 8 tracks still had a solid market. By 1983, they weren't released anymore. Either Reagan killed the 8-tracks, or a better way of doing things came along. Obviously, with the demise of unions, the mob found its power being diminished from the lack of money-making opportunity.

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The economy felt good, but it was false in that it was borrowed money that poor George [W] had to endure a recession with.

True. Reagan did the same thing to George 1. It WAS the economy, stupid.

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