Gravitymaster 0 #51 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuote>The reports may be premature. Perhaps. There are several possibilities: 1) He faked it by getting thousands of tons of high explosive and setting them off underground. 2) It was a successful test of a small nuclear device; at least in the west, these are the devices that most need testing. 3) It was a successful test of a tamped device or a barely-critical device. This allows testing of the basic design without wasting too much enriched uranium/plutonium. 4) It was a successful test of a large nuclear device, but the device was decoupled to reduce its seismic signature. 4) It was a partially successful test of a large nuclear device - criticality was achieved but the yield was not as high as designed. you forgot the most plausible possibility... 5) Kim Jong Il let out the largest fart in history after gorging himself on greasy american food that he has such a penchant for. Farting from greasy American food? Apparently you haven't eaten a lot of Korean food. Can you say Kimchi? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #52 October 10, 2006 Quote Cause a catholic priest abused me when I was 19. Isn't that justifiable homicide? And, how did he get your pants down in the first place? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #53 October 10, 2006 Quote 5) Kim Jong Il let out the largest fart in history after gorging himself on greasy american food that he has such a penchant for. And that was after watching some of his porn movies. I've heard the Kim Jong Il has the largest porn collection in the world. And, he wants to win an Oscar for directing a movie. It's simply unbelievable that the main premise of NK's political framework is - Kim Jong Il is a god on this earth. They are crazy. I'm sorry, hungry and crazy.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #54 October 10, 2006 <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. . (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #55 October 10, 2006 QuoteCare to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? Surely they must know the truth would be discovered eventually. Could Kim be in cahoots with Karl Rove to distract from the Foley incident? It seems to have gone from speculation to fact (in your mind) that this wasn't a successful test. I can certainly see why they'd want the world (and US in particular) to know they have nukes. It's about the only way to deter US from our Presidentially stated doctrine of pre-emptive war with people we don't like, and we for sure don't like them. (Well, that, and they don't have any oil either).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #56 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteCare to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? Surely they must know the truth would be discovered eventually. Could Kim be in cahoots with Karl Rove to distract from the Foley incident? QuoteIt seems to have gone from speculation to fact (in your mind) that this wasn't a successful test. QuoteThe reports may be premature. Yep, sure looks like it's gone from speculation to fact in my mind. QuoteI can certainly see why they'd want the world (and US in particular) to know they have nukes. It's about the only way to deter US from our Presidentially stated doctrine of pre-emptive war with people we don't like, and we for sure don't like them. (Well, that, and they don't have any oil either). Which has nothing to do with my question but does provide another opportunity to parrot a non-sequiter answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #57 October 10, 2006 QuoteYep, sure looks like it's gone from speculation to fact in my mind. Quotewhy they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? It may not be what you meant but it was what you wroteDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #58 October 10, 2006 Quote <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all.. See how easy it is to fall into "but the other guys did it, too"? It's a trap one sets for oneself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #59 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteYep, sure looks like it's gone from speculation to fact in my mind. Quotewhy they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? It may not be what you meant but it was what you wrote Only if you don't read the entire sentence. QuoteCare to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? Nice try though. editted to add: I could have worded it better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites juanesky 0 #60 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuote <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all.. See how easy it is to fall into "but the other guys did it, too"? It's a trap one sets for oneself. What we did? You are comparing apples to oranges. the US has made blunders, with the Indians, but in no way it compares to what the UK did for centuries until rather recently, 1960's in Africa. The main reason is that with all the pompose arrogant attitude of believing they are most civilised, they have ignored that most of the worst worlds ill stem from those European colonies that disipated not so long ago, and now try to blame all of it to the US."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites StreetScooby 5 #61 October 10, 2006 Quote Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. ROFLMAO!!! We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,596 #62 October 10, 2006 QuoteOnly if you don't read the entire sentence. QuoteCare to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? The way your sentance reads is "The test wasn't succesful, can you speculate on why they said it was?" The way you meant, it probably should have said "Care to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test if the test wasn't successful?"Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 35 #63 October 10, 2006 Quote>The reports may be premature. Perhaps. There are several possibilities: 1) He faked it by getting thousands of tons of high explosive and setting them off underground. 2) It was a successful test of a small nuclear device; at least in the west, these are the devices that most need testing. 3) It was a successful test of a tamped device or a barely-critical device. This allows testing of the basic design without wasting too much enriched uranium/plutonium. 4) It was a successful test of a large nuclear device, but the device was decoupled to reduce its seismic signature. 4) It was a partially successful test of a large nuclear device - criticality was achieved but the yield was not as high as designed. What I saw on the news was that it was estimated to be about 1/50th the power of the Hiroshima bomb, preliminarily speaking, of course..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #64 October 10, 2006 Quote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROFLMAO!!! They kept getting their asses kicked.. hence all the animosity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #65 October 10, 2006 << Takes bow >> ... seems like some people cannt see humour when it smacks them between the eyes (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #66 October 10, 2006 When you've been to as many private schools as our imperial ancestors have, getting kicked in the arse must have come as a bit of a relief. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #67 October 10, 2006 >Care to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact >the test wasn't successful? Surely they must know the truth would >be discovered eventually. Well: 1) In 4 of the 5 scenarios I listed it _was_ a successful test. We still don't know which scenario we're looking at. 2) If he really wants bilateral talks (which he seems to) having working nuclear weapons is a good thing to have in your pocket. 3) Not too hard to fake a nuclear detonation if you have enough HE, and it's hard to tell unless you can examine the site or the data recorded on-site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #68 October 10, 2006 >5) Kim Jong Il let out the largest fart in history . . . Or perhaps he was bwowing Hans Bwix to widdle bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #69 October 10, 2006 Quote <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. . Spain was actually a lot better at it. The only reason that Britain took the lead in North America was because Spain lost the battle of the Spanish Armada. If you don't think Spain was better then think about this. Mexicans coming to the U.S. often refusing to learn English. They want special programs made for them in Spanish, "their" language. That is what is funny because for most of them its not their language. Before Spain came they were speaking Aztec, just as all the Amerindians across all the Americas were speaking their own languages before Europe came. But how many Cherokees do you find calling English their language or ever better, how many Jamaicans do you know that call themselves English or Haitians, French. When you put it all together what you find is that the British may have had some good ideas but were not very good and changing peoples minds.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #70 October 10, 2006 Es un chiste. En la respuesta a su! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #71 October 10, 2006 Quote Es un chiste. En la respuesta a su! Mas graciosa es la tuya en cual se ve que no sabes escribir.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #72 October 10, 2006 I'm trying.... it's just seems to be taking me ages to learn new stuff, at my age..... language, not humour (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #73 October 10, 2006 QuoteI'm trying.... it's just seems to be taking me ages to learn new stuff, at my age..... language, not humour Ok but seriously language aside. Do you not see that the people who were conquered by the British tended to and continue to reject them more than the Spanish, French or Portuguese. That the British don't assimilate well by comparison.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #74 October 10, 2006 Not entirely. India is a pretty good model, which tends to hold the U.K in respect these days (except on the cricket pitch). Also, Gibralatrians regularly vote to remain under British rather than Spanish rule. But subjugation could never be said to be a good way to gain the hearts and minds of another country and is not the point. Countries attack other countries to gain territory and resources (has happened since the beginning of our species and still happening now). (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Steel 0 #75 October 10, 2006 QuoteNot entirely. India is a pretty good model, which tends to hold the U.K in respect these days (except on the cricket pitch). Also, Gibralatrians regularly vote to remain under British rather than Spanish rule. ---------------------------------- I'll give you India as a good example in that they don't resent England as much and for that matter I will give you Canada too. But neither one of those two countries would ever call themselves English. As for Gibraltar, to be honest I didn't know of them being separate from Spain. But with 6.5 square kilometers in land and 27,928 population, they are about 1/7th the size of Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. Its really the size of a big tourist resort so it doesn't say much.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. 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jakee 1,596 #57 October 10, 2006 QuoteYep, sure looks like it's gone from speculation to fact in my mind. Quotewhy they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? It may not be what you meant but it was what you wroteDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #58 October 10, 2006 Quote <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all.. See how easy it is to fall into "but the other guys did it, too"? It's a trap one sets for oneself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #59 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteYep, sure looks like it's gone from speculation to fact in my mind. Quotewhy they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? It may not be what you meant but it was what you wrote Only if you don't read the entire sentence. QuoteCare to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? Nice try though. editted to add: I could have worded it better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #60 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuote <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all.. See how easy it is to fall into "but the other guys did it, too"? It's a trap one sets for oneself. What we did? You are comparing apples to oranges. the US has made blunders, with the Indians, but in no way it compares to what the UK did for centuries until rather recently, 1960's in Africa. The main reason is that with all the pompose arrogant attitude of believing they are most civilised, they have ignored that most of the worst worlds ill stem from those European colonies that disipated not so long ago, and now try to blame all of it to the US."According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #61 October 10, 2006 Quote Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. ROFLMAO!!! We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #62 October 10, 2006 QuoteOnly if you don't read the entire sentence. QuoteCare to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact the test wasn't successful? The way your sentance reads is "The test wasn't succesful, can you speculate on why they said it was?" The way you meant, it probably should have said "Care to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test if the test wasn't successful?"Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #63 October 10, 2006 Quote>The reports may be premature. Perhaps. There are several possibilities: 1) He faked it by getting thousands of tons of high explosive and setting them off underground. 2) It was a successful test of a small nuclear device; at least in the west, these are the devices that most need testing. 3) It was a successful test of a tamped device or a barely-critical device. This allows testing of the basic design without wasting too much enriched uranium/plutonium. 4) It was a successful test of a large nuclear device, but the device was decoupled to reduce its seismic signature. 4) It was a partially successful test of a large nuclear device - criticality was achieved but the yield was not as high as designed. What I saw on the news was that it was estimated to be about 1/50th the power of the Hiroshima bomb, preliminarily speaking, of course..."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 October 10, 2006 Quote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROFLMAO!!! They kept getting their asses kicked.. hence all the animosity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #65 October 10, 2006 << Takes bow >> ... seems like some people cannt see humour when it smacks them between the eyes (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #66 October 10, 2006 When you've been to as many private schools as our imperial ancestors have, getting kicked in the arse must have come as a bit of a relief. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #67 October 10, 2006 >Care to speculate why they would claim a nuclear test when in fact >the test wasn't successful? Surely they must know the truth would >be discovered eventually. Well: 1) In 4 of the 5 scenarios I listed it _was_ a successful test. We still don't know which scenario we're looking at. 2) If he really wants bilateral talks (which he seems to) having working nuclear weapons is a good thing to have in your pocket. 3) Not too hard to fake a nuclear detonation if you have enough HE, and it's hard to tell unless you can examine the site or the data recorded on-site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #68 October 10, 2006 >5) Kim Jong Il let out the largest fart in history . . . Or perhaps he was bwowing Hans Bwix to widdle bits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #69 October 10, 2006 Quote <That is good humor >> Spain, France, Portugal etc.. were doing the same thing at the same time - they just weren't as good at it, that's all. . Spain was actually a lot better at it. The only reason that Britain took the lead in North America was because Spain lost the battle of the Spanish Armada. If you don't think Spain was better then think about this. Mexicans coming to the U.S. often refusing to learn English. They want special programs made for them in Spanish, "their" language. That is what is funny because for most of them its not their language. Before Spain came they were speaking Aztec, just as all the Amerindians across all the Americas were speaking their own languages before Europe came. But how many Cherokees do you find calling English their language or ever better, how many Jamaicans do you know that call themselves English or Haitians, French. When you put it all together what you find is that the British may have had some good ideas but were not very good and changing peoples minds.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #70 October 10, 2006 Es un chiste. En la respuesta a su! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #71 October 10, 2006 Quote Es un chiste. En la respuesta a su! Mas graciosa es la tuya en cual se ve que no sabes escribir.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #72 October 10, 2006 I'm trying.... it's just seems to be taking me ages to learn new stuff, at my age..... language, not humour (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #73 October 10, 2006 QuoteI'm trying.... it's just seems to be taking me ages to learn new stuff, at my age..... language, not humour Ok but seriously language aside. Do you not see that the people who were conquered by the British tended to and continue to reject them more than the Spanish, French or Portuguese. That the British don't assimilate well by comparison.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #74 October 10, 2006 Not entirely. India is a pretty good model, which tends to hold the U.K in respect these days (except on the cricket pitch). Also, Gibralatrians regularly vote to remain under British rather than Spanish rule. But subjugation could never be said to be a good way to gain the hearts and minds of another country and is not the point. Countries attack other countries to gain territory and resources (has happened since the beginning of our species and still happening now). (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steel 0 #75 October 10, 2006 QuoteNot entirely. India is a pretty good model, which tends to hold the U.K in respect these days (except on the cricket pitch). Also, Gibralatrians regularly vote to remain under British rather than Spanish rule. ---------------------------------- I'll give you India as a good example in that they don't resent England as much and for that matter I will give you Canada too. But neither one of those two countries would ever call themselves English. As for Gibraltar, to be honest I didn't know of them being separate from Spain. But with 6.5 square kilometers in land and 27,928 population, they are about 1/7th the size of Guantanamo Bay Naval Base. Its really the size of a big tourist resort so it doesn't say much.If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass. Can't think of anything I need No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound. Nothing to eat, no books to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
