jcd11235 0 #51 October 9, 2006 Quote It would seem that the moral outrage liberals have exhibited doesn't always carry over to pedophilia as depicted on stage. Umm...that's silly. Do you really expect the same response to actions in a play that you expect to actions in real life???? Why do you only expect it from *liberals*? I think there are plenty of conservatives who are also outraged by real examples of pedophilia who aren't protesting this play too. At least I hope so. I would expect that most adults could tell the difference. I'd hate for every movie I see or play I attend or album I listen to to be limited in scope to what's acceptable in real life. linz Come to think of it, I enjoyed both Pulp Fiction and Natural Born Killers. I wonder how many people think I'm hypocritical in my position against murder. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #52 October 9, 2006 A minor slip of the ring finger from the 's' to the 'd' key. Replace 'Do' with 'So' and I think you'll find it much more readable. No tequila today...yet. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #53 October 9, 2006 QuoteIt would seem that the moral outrage liberals have exhibited doesn't always carry over to pedophilia as depicted on stage. The Vagina Monologues, for example, .... Why no general outrage from Liberals? Why should we believe the sincerity of outrage directed toward Foley? You can say that it is outrageous that Foley was such a hypocrite, that is well deserved, but I think this shows exactly why the term 'selective moral outrage' is so appropriate to describe the reaction from liberals. ... Selective moral outrage. It means that libs are much more interested in knocking off their political opponents than they actually care about pedophilia. Okay, since you recycled a lame argument from Rush Limbaugh, I'll recycle a lame one from Al Franken. Read an excerpt from Bill O'Reilly's Those Who Trespass: QuoteAshley was now wearing only brief white panties. She had signaled her desire by removing her shirt and skirt, and by leaning back on the couch. She closed her eyes, concentrating on nothing but Shannon’s tongue and lips. He gently teased her by licking the areas around her most sensitive erogenous zone. Then he slipped her panties down her legs and, within seconds, his tongue was inside her, moving rapidly. So WHY NO MORAL OUTRAGE from fellow right-wingers, let alone at the fact that Mr. O'Reilly sexually harrassed an FoxNews employee over the phone? Such perverted literature poses a grave threat to the American family and its values!! And of course, we all know how much fictional books and theatre monologue influence public policy. Just as much if not more than actual politicians, right??!! Yes, this is a very lame attempt at a point. Just as yours/Rush's is. I'm done playing. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #54 October 9, 2006 QuoteWhy wouldn't Bush and Cheney testify under oath to the 9/11 Commission. I guess if you can't get them under oath.. they can NEVER be impeached for lying to the American people. See they LEARNED something from Clinton after all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #55 October 9, 2006 >I wonder when the liberal press and the homosexual community will > be honest, and admit that homosexuality and pedophilia are not > two seperate and completely different animals? About the same time right wingers are honest with themselves and admit that: -blacks are criminals. Heck, just look in any prison! -women are dumber than men. How many women CEO's or scientists are there? -republicans are fat, balding middleaged men with repressed homosexual tendencies. Not that there's anything wrong with that. (ain't generalizations great?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #56 October 9, 2006 Quote You sure are posting a whole lot on this Foley stuff in defense of the indefensible. Remember which party claims "FAMILY VALUES" and "PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY" as it's own special province. For those with a history of defending Dubya wiping his ass on the Bill of Rights, their continued oblique defense of Foley probably seems quite reasonable to them.----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #57 October 9, 2006 Perhaps you're reading a different thread. I can't find one instance of anyone defending Foley's despicable actions. I do, on the other hand, find a thread focusing on the double standards of the media and the Democrats, one questioning why anyone should give democrats any standing when accusing Republicans of being soft on pedophilia, and one where ever salient point brought up by the right leaning DZ.com'ers has been dodged by the left leaning denizens of this forum. Try hitting the refresh button. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #58 October 9, 2006 >I can't find one instance of anyone defending Foley's despicable actions. There are those here who describe what he did as a legal consensual act: "It's entertaining to watch the hypocrisy of the left as they go after a gay guy for sending a explicit messages to a consenting adult in response to explicit messages sent to him." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #59 October 9, 2006 Who said that in this thread? Did I miss something? Even if that were true - I don't know if it is or not - the Page-Congressman relationship such an exchange would imply is still despicable in my book. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #60 October 9, 2006 >Who said that in this thread? Did I miss something? Different thread: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2467088;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#2467332 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #61 October 9, 2006 Ahhh... I haven't been reading as much in here as of late. I'm disgusted with politics in general right now. This thread caught my interest for some odd reason. Same old shyte really. Regardless of who wins in '06 or '08, discretionary spending will be out of control, mandatory spending will rise, and the electorate in general is too damned stupid to care. Disgusting. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #62 October 9, 2006 >Regardless of who wins in '06 or '08, discretionary spending will >be out of control, mandatory spending will rise . . . True. But if the administration and congress are controlled by different parties, there will be massive gridlock and fewer budget increases will make it through the process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #63 October 9, 2006 Discretionary wise, at any rate, that's somewhat likely to be correct. The die is already cast for mandatory spending increases. They're already bought, but not paid for...the loan hasn't even been taken out yet, in fact. The past decade has shown us the absolute WORST performance by Congress in the past quarter century at least - half century in all likelihood. I mean utterly abyssmal. There are very few incumbents from either party I would care to see re-elected. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #64 October 9, 2006 16 is the age of consent in most of Europe, IIRC, as well as several US states, and it's pretty well acknowledged that many teenagers have had sex by that age. Many states that have set the age of consent at 18 have "romeo and juliet" statues which allow someone between ages 16 and 18 to legally have sex with someone no more than three years older. In Iowa and South Carolina, the age is 14 for females and 16 for males, and everywhere else it's at least 16 for both genders. So, yes, I guess it could be said that 16 is more socially acceptable than 13. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #65 October 9, 2006 QuoteMany states that have set the age of consent at 18 have "romeo and juliet" statues which allow someone between ages 16 and 18 to legally have sex with someone no more than three years older. Slight digression: Actually, the legislative policy behind most states' "Romeo and Juliet" statutes is not so much for the enablement of the younger partner, but to shield the slightly-older partner from charges of statutory rape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #66 October 10, 2006 QuoteSlight digression: Actually, the legislative policy behind most states' "Romeo and Juliet" statutes is not so much for the enablement of the younger partner, but to shield the slightly-older partner from charges of statutory rape Somehow I think Romeo and Juliet laws do NOT apply to 52 year old men.. and 16 year old boys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #67 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteSlight digression: Actually, the legislative policy behind most states' "Romeo and Juliet" statutes is not so much for the enablement of the younger partner, but to shield the slightly-older partner from charges of statutory rape Somehow I think Romeo and Juliet laws do NOT apply to 52 year old men.. and 16 year old boys. Nope. Not at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
juanesky 0 #68 October 10, 2006 It applied to Studds though/"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #69 October 10, 2006 QuoteIt applied to Studds though/ "They're as bad as us" is not a defense for the party claiming a monopoly on "family values". Sorry, I guess I just have to repeat it over and over.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #70 October 10, 2006 Also, and this couldn't be proven without blatant honesty, that the largest number of pedophiles are homosexuals. That's really not true. In my years as a social worker at Arkansas Children's Hospital, I was involved in many, many child sexual abuse cases. I can only remember a handful in which the abuser was the same gender as the child. I doubt that the trends here are dramatically different than across the country. Edited to add: until we are honest with ourselves and realize that the correlation between being a white heterosexual male and pedophilia isn't coincidence, none of our children will be safe.... QuoteObviously, as per Foley, we can't assume that all pedophilia is with young children. My point, and I speak from an experience when I was 17, and later, when I was in the Navy, is that 30 yr. old homosexuals[ I refuse to use the word gay to describe them] do not target 50 yr.old men. I said this in a previous post, that they target those who are young, innocent, ignorant, and emotionally vulnerable. The truth is that this is the MO of any sexual predator, not just pedophiles or homosesxuals. The fact is, that the press refuses to call a spade a spade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Lindsey 0 #71 October 10, 2006 30 yr. old homosexuals[ I refuse to use the word gay to describe them] do not target 50 yr.old men. I think that most 30 y/o homosexuals probably date people close to their own ages. People who "target" other people are usually up to no good. I think you'll find a lot of women whose "personal experience" tells them that there are a lot of older heterosexual men who like to target teenage girls. I think that you target homosexual men in your posts because of your personal bias, and not because they are deserving of your characterizations of them. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,118 #72 October 10, 2006 > My point, and I speak from an experience when I was 17, and later, >when I was in the Navy, is that 30 yr. old homosexuals[ I refuse to use the >word gay to describe them] do not target 50 yr.old men. Right. And 30 year old heterosexual predators do not generally target 50 year old women - they target young, innocent, ignorant, and emotionally vulnerable women. >The truth is that this is the MO of any sexual predator, not just >pedophiles or homosesxuals. That may well be true - but also quite far from what you originally said. >The fact is, that the press refuses to call a spade a spade. The press has never had a problem listing the sexes or ages of people involved in any predatory crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rickjump1 0 #73 October 10, 2006 QuoteDiscretionary wise, at any rate, that's somewhat likely to be correct. The die is already cast for mandatory spending increases. They're already bought, but not paid for...the loan hasn't even been taken out yet, in fact. The past decade has shown us the absolute WORST performance by Congress in the past quarter century at least - half century in all likelihood. I mean utterly abyssmal. There are very few incumbents from either party I would care to see re-elected. "I did not have sex with Osama. It was his goat and she was 14. Besides, it was before 9/11, so it's ok." Democrat or Republican?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #74 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDiscretionary wise, at any rate, that's somewhat likely to be correct. The die is already cast for mandatory spending increases. They're already bought, but not paid for...the loan hasn't even been taken out yet, in fact. The past decade has shown us the absolute WORST performance by Congress in the past quarter century at least - half century in all likelihood. I mean utterly abyssmal. There are very few incumbents from either party I would care to see re-elected. "I did not have sex with Osama. It was his goat and she was 14. Besides, it was before 9/11, so it's ok." Democrat or Republican? Since it was actual sex.. must be Democrat. He'll get a pass, while the other guy (the Republican) that was talking to the goat will get jail time...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #75 October 10, 2006 Quote>I wonder when the liberal press and the homosexual community will > be honest, and admit that homosexuality and pedophilia are not > two seperate and completely different animals? About the same time right wingers are honest with themselves and admit that: -blacks are criminals. Heck, just look in any prison! -women are dumber than men. How many women CEO's or scientists are there? -republicans are fat, balding middleaged men with repressed homosexual tendencies. Not that there's anything wrong with that. (ain't generalizations great?) Statistically speaking - - young black men are something like 50 times more likely to be involved in criminal activity than the rest of the population. - fewer women (than men) have genius level IQ. There are fewer women on the low end of the spectrum, too. I usually vote Republican. I have all my hair, I'm fit and I'm pretty clear about which team I play for. Your post was a nice use of across the board stereotypes to distract from another's point that there might be an overlap of pedophilia and homosexuality, that might be worth looking into. Instead, the media wont go near it. If the pages in this drama were over the age of consent, was Foley guitly of anything more than sexual harassment? if even that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Lindsey 0 #71 October 10, 2006 30 yr. old homosexuals[ I refuse to use the word gay to describe them] do not target 50 yr.old men. I think that most 30 y/o homosexuals probably date people close to their own ages. People who "target" other people are usually up to no good. I think you'll find a lot of women whose "personal experience" tells them that there are a lot of older heterosexual men who like to target teenage girls. I think that you target homosexual men in your posts because of your personal bias, and not because they are deserving of your characterizations of them. linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #72 October 10, 2006 > My point, and I speak from an experience when I was 17, and later, >when I was in the Navy, is that 30 yr. old homosexuals[ I refuse to use the >word gay to describe them] do not target 50 yr.old men. Right. And 30 year old heterosexual predators do not generally target 50 year old women - they target young, innocent, ignorant, and emotionally vulnerable women. >The truth is that this is the MO of any sexual predator, not just >pedophiles or homosesxuals. That may well be true - but also quite far from what you originally said. >The fact is, that the press refuses to call a spade a spade. The press has never had a problem listing the sexes or ages of people involved in any predatory crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #73 October 10, 2006 QuoteDiscretionary wise, at any rate, that's somewhat likely to be correct. The die is already cast for mandatory spending increases. They're already bought, but not paid for...the loan hasn't even been taken out yet, in fact. The past decade has shown us the absolute WORST performance by Congress in the past quarter century at least - half century in all likelihood. I mean utterly abyssmal. There are very few incumbents from either party I would care to see re-elected. "I did not have sex with Osama. It was his goat and she was 14. Besides, it was before 9/11, so it's ok." Democrat or Republican?Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #74 October 10, 2006 QuoteQuoteDiscretionary wise, at any rate, that's somewhat likely to be correct. The die is already cast for mandatory spending increases. They're already bought, but not paid for...the loan hasn't even been taken out yet, in fact. The past decade has shown us the absolute WORST performance by Congress in the past quarter century at least - half century in all likelihood. I mean utterly abyssmal. There are very few incumbents from either party I would care to see re-elected. "I did not have sex with Osama. It was his goat and she was 14. Besides, it was before 9/11, so it's ok." Democrat or Republican? Since it was actual sex.. must be Democrat. He'll get a pass, while the other guy (the Republican) that was talking to the goat will get jail time...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #75 October 10, 2006 Quote>I wonder when the liberal press and the homosexual community will > be honest, and admit that homosexuality and pedophilia are not > two seperate and completely different animals? About the same time right wingers are honest with themselves and admit that: -blacks are criminals. Heck, just look in any prison! -women are dumber than men. How many women CEO's or scientists are there? -republicans are fat, balding middleaged men with repressed homosexual tendencies. Not that there's anything wrong with that. (ain't generalizations great?) Statistically speaking - - young black men are something like 50 times more likely to be involved in criminal activity than the rest of the population. - fewer women (than men) have genius level IQ. There are fewer women on the low end of the spectrum, too. I usually vote Republican. I have all my hair, I'm fit and I'm pretty clear about which team I play for. Your post was a nice use of across the board stereotypes to distract from another's point that there might be an overlap of pedophilia and homosexuality, that might be worth looking into. Instead, the media wont go near it. If the pages in this drama were over the age of consent, was Foley guitly of anything more than sexual harassment? if even that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
