Separation of The Corporation and State

[Kidd 0]

Where do I even begin on this one. As you can probably see, I'm not much of a poster but things are starting to piss me off.

Think about this subject line for a few minutes. How would things be different? Cheney and Haliburton for starters. The Iraq war that I once supported, until I stopped watching the news and started reading and putting things together for myself instead of letting the media paint my picture of what's going on in the world. People from other countries are shocked when they come to work and live in the US at how sheltered we are from the news of what's happenings in the rest of the world.

I totally support our troops wherever they are stationed. But our president and his regime of corporate bullies went too far long ago and we all sit watching TV and do nothing about it. We were lied to by our president and his staff while he prepared and did invade a foreign country. It all comes down to one thing, money, profits and satisfying investors with larger returns. Good thing were not in Iraq for the oil, that could look bad.

I watched a documentary by Michael Moore called "The Corporation". My wife and I were ready to start a revolution after that one. What really made us mad was that we hated Michael Moore, because we were told too. I don't even know where that idea entered my head. I knew nothing of the guy.
This is a must see movie.

I'm probably not making much sense because I'm so irritated right now. Corporations and our politicians are doing whatever they want and couldn't care less about the people. It's just a facade.

What's your thoughts?

[mnealtx 0]

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I watched a documentary by Michael Moore called "The Corporation". My wife and I were ready to start a revolution after that one. What really made us mad was that we hated Michael Moore, because we were told too. I don't even know where that idea entered my head. I knew nothing of the guy.
This is a must see movie.

Well, that explains the post... you talk about "instead of letting the media paint my picture of what's going on the world", so, instead, you let a movie do it and swallow it whole-heartedly....

Mike
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[Kidd 0]

The movie is far from what has shaped my thoughts. That's my whole point, not to swallow anything whole-heartedly.
I've been a republican for 20-years and ignored the other points of view out there no matter what party they came from. I've just recently started opeing my eyes and ears to other ideas and other peoples thoughts.

[mnealtx 0]

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I've just recently started opeing my eyes and ears to other ideas and other peoples thoughts.

That is a good thing... your OP, however, sounded much different.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[StreetScooby 5]

I'll have to check the movie out. I too have never seen a Michael Moore movie because I had no desire to. He has a reputation for grossly slanting his views.

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I saw Fahrenheit 911, and although I have always disagreed with the invasion of Iraq, I still found his film to be deeply flawed in parts. He tries too hard.

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[idrankwhat 0]

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Well, that explains the post... you talk about "instead of letting the media paint my picture of what's going on the world", so, instead, you let a movie do it and swallow it whole-heartedly....

Man, you've been on a "shoot the messenger" roll lately

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Although Michael Moore appears in The Corporation, it is not one of 'his' movies, the quality is way over his head.

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[78RATS 0]

Corporations give money to politicians. Politicians pass legislation to help the corporation. Then they all go play golf at an expensive resort and laugh about what they are doing.

100% factual. Trust me.

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When them stupid ass bitches ask why

[Kidd 0]

My apologies, Michael Moore is not the filmaker.

From Netflix:

This documentary charts the spectacular rise of corporations as a dramatic, pervasive presence in our lives. Filmmakers Mark Achbar and Jennifer Abbott present a timely, entertaining critique of global conglomerates as they chronicle the origins of corporations, as well as their inner workings, controversial impacts and possible futures. The pros and cons are weighed via interviews with social critics such as Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore.

So I can back to thinking he's a dirtbag.

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Corporations give money to politicians. Politicians pass legislation to help the corporation. Then they all go play golf at an expensive resort and laugh about what they are doing.

100% factual. Trust me.

The Bill Moyers piece on PBS earlier this week did a great job of showing how it's done these days on K street. I thought I knew a fair amount about how corrupt that project is but it turns out that I didn't. And for some reason, people will just let it slide. I mean I know that politicians and corruption are nothing new but where and when do you finally draw the line?

[StreetScooby 5]

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I mean I know that politicians and corruption are nothing new but where and when do you finally draw the line?

When social security goes bankrupt, you're going to have alot of people in the street with guns aimed at politicians up and down the line.

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And for some reason, people will just let it slide.

At least something is being done. Abramhoff, Scanlon, Rudy, Volz, Ney, and Cunningham have already pled in federal court. Buckham and Delay....time will tell.

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[idrankwhat 0]

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And for some reason, people will just let it slide.

At least something is being done. Abramhoff, Scanlon, Rudy, Volz, Ney, and Cunningham have already pled in federal court. Buckham and Delay....time will tell.

What about Norquist? I can't figure out how he doesn't warrant an arrest under some sort of conspiracy to defraud charge. And with the video that I saw I can't understand why DeLay isn't scrubbing a prison floor by now. I guess membership has its privileges.

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I mean I know that politicians and corruption are nothing new but where and when do you finally draw the line?

When social security goes bankrupt, you're going to have alot of people in the street with guns aimed at politicians up and down the line.

Hopefully. Too bad we have to wait. And on that issue, you hear plenty of politicians say "when the boomers retire we're going to have a record number of people drawing from the system". But they all fail to mention is that that means that there is currently a record number of people paying INTO the system. Too bad it's being used to make the record deficits look smaller.

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I can't understand why DeLay isn't scrubbing a prison floor by now. I guess membership has its privileges.

Careful now, you might invoke the wrath of one of the über-patriotic republican Texans here and get hit with some recycled comment about one of the Kennedys, Clintons or other liberal neo-communists.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Kidd 0]

Since we have separation of church from state and corporations have clearly taken over politics and dictate policy and law to their advantage why shouldn't they be separated.

At what point are we going to say enough is enough? Is it only an issue [problem] if it affects ME, YOU or a particular individual.

We are constantly lied to by the Democrats and the Republicans but we just laugh and say "That's a politician for ya". In the mean time we have lost our country to big business and now our freedoms are being taken away as well.

[StreetScooby 5]

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In the mean time we have lost our country to big business and now our freedoms are being taken away as well.

I really hate to say this, but I'm not at all convinced that capitalism is a stable long term system. Somewhere, patriotism and supporting your country and it's people need to count. That's not allowed in capitalism.

Having said that, capitalism is the best established system available today, IMHO. I just don't know what is better, nor how to make capitalism better.

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[idrankwhat 0]

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I really hate to say this, but I'm not at all convinced that capitalism is a stable long term system. Somewhere, patriotism and supporting your country and it's people need to count. That's not allowed in capitalism.

Having said that, capitalism is the best established system available today, IMHO. I just don't know what is better, nor how to make capitalism better.

Capitalism kept in check by various laws to protect workers/consumers/environment/etc? Government as a moderating influence isn't a bad idea, nor is it "socialism". Just think what would happen to a completely free market Speakers Corner if it didn't have a small band of moderators

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Capitalism kept in check by various laws to protect workers/consumers/environment/etc? Government as a moderating influence isn't a bad idea, nor is it "socialism". Just think what would happen to a completely free market Speakers Corner if it didn't have a small band of moderators

Too true A lot of problems with Liaise-faire economists is the fact that they don't consider psychology as an important factor.

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